Oddworld Movie Speculation -

***Xavier*** · #61 08-15-2006, 11:25 AM

there are queens

Slaveless · #62 08-15-2006, 05:56 PM

To add to Xavier's answer, I might have a theory that makes sense.

Well, Mudokon tribes obviousily need large amounts of labor to be accomplished in order to survive, and having the Worker class Mudokons have sexual relationships that would distract them, is not healthy for Mudokon tribes. So it only makes sense that Mudokons would evolve to have sexless Mudokons.

Another thing is that the reason why most of the Mudokons we see look like males, is because there really isn't too much of difference between a sterile female and a sterile male. If females had no reproductive organs, what use would nursing organs be to them? So that shows that sterile female and male Mudokons, are really no different in appearance.

Also, for some reason, the Worker class Mudokons brains are structured to be male like, so that could also explain something.

***Nate*** · #63 08-15-2006, 06:08 PM

Well if they were anything like humans, it would actually be the other way around. Males fetuses that have either an inability to produce testostorone or that have a resistance to it (ie the hormone has no effect on them) develop externally as females - they have breasts and the external appearance of female sexual organs. Internally, however, there are no ovaries but actually undropped testicles.

used:) · #64 08-15-2006, 06:31 PM

It's vague, but it is implied that there is a breed of drone Mudokons that supplies the male portion needed in the species.

***Wil*** · #65 08-15-2006, 06:47 PM

Alf once did say they were drones, which would make it not implicit but explicit.

But yes! We know as much about them as Khanzumers and Squeek.

Fuzzle Guy · #66 08-16-2006, 12:19 AM

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But they really didn't
mention Sam until MO, so I think OWI would rather hold her
until whenever she was supposed to appear in a future movies
after AO.

It's easier to introduce characters in the first movie to get them over and done with, so then you have more time to go into depths wit hthat character in the rest of the movies.

Yes, This would be good. I was thinking of this. But isn't Sam kept in Vykkers Labs, and Abe was born in Rupture Farms.

***Wil*** · #67 08-16-2006, 03:24 AM

Yep! If she were introduced, it would be a cameo appearance. Unless the mythos of Oddworld was changed for the films, which wouldn't be unusual.

SilverTwilight05 · #68 08-16-2006, 07:06 PM

That's what I think. If we even see her at all. I figured that it would begin with Abe hatching, maybe someone commenting on his weird blue color, and then him being sent off with the other workers.

As for the discussion on Sam, since she resembles a termite, I would think that the mudokons would resemble them as a species as well. So the mudokons we've come into contact with are essentially genderless, since they are sterile anyway. They are just the workers. Maybe something else is done with the "soldiers" and "breeders", or maybe hormones are injected into Sam so that she only lays workers. As for producing another female (I think all of the workers look like human males), she can either lay an egg with a female in it, or she can lay a normal egg and it would just get some sort of special treatment to make it female (think bees).
As for special powers, I think that the queen would need possession power most of all, since she is immobile. Kind of like the Almighty Raisin and the ratz, I think that she would use the power of possession to move around and see the world, since she is physically incapable in her own body.

munchman92 · #69 08-17-2006, 05:44 AM

the films could be the beginning of oddworld. way before abe and munch because oddworld didnt start there did it, with it starting in the beggining you could create characters leading up to others such as abe then as SilverTwilight 5 said have the birth of abe but lorne lanning could answer all the questions we keep asking ourselves such as who/what are khansumers etc.if he did a pre-abe/munch/stranger films it could pan out oddworld in a more understandable way. if that makes any sense.

Abe 01 · #70 08-17-2006, 05:52 AM

Its becuase their like bees, they have one queen who is female and all the male bees work for her
p.s sorry didnt realize there was more pages

***Nate*** · #71 08-17-2006, 05:56 AM

What's your point Abe 01?

Aside from that; Rules state that you can only have one image in your sig so either get rid of the big image or get rid of the usersigs.

SilverTwilight05 · #72 08-17-2006, 02:01 PM

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Its becuase their like bees, they have one queen who is female and all the male bees work for her
p.s sorry didnt realize there was more pages

Actually, in bee hives all of the workers are female, and the males are only used for mating. I think in Mudokon "colonies" the workers are gender neutral, but we refer to them as male because they resemble human males. We have not been introduced to male mudokons yet.

***Nate*** · #73 08-17-2006, 06:23 PM

Egad!

Can we please restrict the discussion to topics that haven't been discussed to the death? Use the search function if you must know what has gone before.

Kamille · #74 08-17-2006, 08:08 PM

Do you think greeters are important enough to make it into the film?

SilverTwilight05 · #75 08-17-2006, 08:27 PM

They would be nice to see, but I wonder if they are going to pool AO and AE together. AE's style was a bit different, and the end of AO was a nice ending point (for the game, if they change it around a bit I guess it could work).

They were pretty funny though, reminded me of evil clowns.

EDIT: were Greeters in AO? Its been a while since I've played the industrial levels (I usually hang out around the Monsaic Lines and Paramonia)

Kamille · #76 08-17-2006, 08:31 PM

Yeah for some reason I just imagined abe in the movie sneaking around and one of them is just like rolling toward him and it looks mechanical and cool.

But it would be even better to see a shrink.

SilverTwilight05 · #77 08-17-2006, 08:48 PM

Especially since we haven't really seen what Shrinks are like. That commercial doesn't really count, that's only what they look and sound like. I want to hear what they have to say. Wasn't there a description somewhere that said they hated their jobs, but that they were nearly immortal (500yrs I think) and had to put up with all of Sam's mood swings and such?

Owly · #78 08-18-2006, 02:06 AM

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Especially since we haven't really seen what Shrinks are like. That commercial doesn't really count, that's only what they look and sound like. I want to hear what they have to say. Wasn't there a description somewhere that said they hated their jobs, but that they were nearly immortal (500yrs I think) and had to put up with all of Sam's mood swings and such?

***Wil*** · #79 08-18-2006, 03:40 AM

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Wasn't there a description somewhere that said they hated their jobs, but that they were nearly immortal (500yrs I think) and had to put up with all of Sam's mood swings and such?

That used to be on Oddworld.com, in the Universe section. It contained information specific to the Shrink that takes care of Sam. It hates its job and longs for freedom. It hates Sam, but also identifies with her.

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I think in Mudokon "colonies" the workers are gender neutral, but we refer to them as male because they resemble human males.

Male refers to a person's sex, not their gender. Prior to SW all the characters we'd seen were men by human gender standards. They were just sexless.

***Xavier*** · #80 08-18-2006, 08:33 AM

Owly... don't spam please!

Kamille · #81 08-20-2006, 04:11 AM

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They would be nice to see, but I wonder if they are going to pool AO and AE together. AE's style was a bit different, and the end of AO was a nice ending point (for the game, if they change it around a bit I guess it could work).

They were pretty funny though, reminded me of evil clowns.

EDIT: were Greeters in AO? Its been a while since I've played the industrial levels (I usually hang out around the Monsaic Lines and Paramonia)

No Greeters were not in AO, from what I can remember.

Nath · #82 08-20-2006, 04:59 AM

Of course they weren't in AO. They were only in AE.

Bullet Magnet · #83 08-20-2006, 08:58 AM

I suppose they could begin the film with a sort of backstory, where we see Oddworld and its people before the... fall.

Though I think it is best to learn of its past the same way we did in the game, with Abe leaving Rupture Farms and discovering his legacy for himself. And for us.

***Xavier*** · #84 08-21-2006, 12:41 AM

I think AO's story will remain the same but will be told in a different way.
the way it was told in gameplay can't be told the same way in movie.
So I'm sure the story telling will change.

SilverTwilight05 · #85 08-22-2006, 05:07 PM

I think that they're going to have a bit of fun with Abe escaping from Rupture Farms. I'm not sure if he'll know how to chant at that point (who would have taught him?) and so some of the workers are going to have to meet some grisly (yet humorous) ends...think the backstory movie from AE

ziggy · #86 08-22-2006, 10:13 PM

I'm pretty sure Abe just knows how to chant because of instinct being a mudokon, who would teach him at RUPTUREFARMS!!!

The thought of a male mudokon drone impregnating Sam is nasty.....her big...blobby body..ech. Sorry for bringing it up but seriously think about it.

man I have a feeling that this forum will be a lot better when the movie comes out.

***Nate*** · #87 08-22-2006, 10:42 PM

It's possible that she wasn't big and blobby until she was impregnated. Then her uterus got to work popping out bulging eggs.

I think termites queens work much the same way.

EDIT: Doing me some research, I found out that ant queens only mate once then produce offspring until she dies but termite queens have a single king who continues to mate with her for the rest of their lives.

ziggy · #88 08-22-2006, 11:08 PM

I think how Sam makes eggs is probably better left a mystery

***Xavier*** · #89 08-22-2006, 11:19 PM

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I think that they're going to have a bit of fun with Abe escaping from Rupture Farms. I'm not sure if he'll know how to chant at that point (who would have taught him?) and so some of the workers are going to have to meet some grisly (yet humorous) ends...think the backstory movie from AE

Oh wow you raise an excellent question. I absolutly don't know when Abe learns how to chant.

There are storystones explaining Abe how to chant, but they are in the Monsaic Tempel
But on the other hand Abe should know how to chant from the very start to free the 99 mudokons

My bet is that he will learn it in the Monsaic Tempel

ziggy · #90 08-22-2006, 11:24 PM

now I think I remember that there was even a story stone in rupture farms I, in the beginning telling you how to chant and rescue mudokons, which is good for the game but funny because it wouldn't make sense in the movie at all if Rupturefarms gave info on how their slaves can escape.