Oddworld Movie Speculation -

Dusan · #31 07-09-2006, 10:53 AM

Oooooooo that is slaveless's avatar. I was allways wondering what ius it.
I still can't see clearly so i'm asking: is she holding a baby and what is she doing in industrial enviroment?

***Wil*** · #32 07-09-2006, 11:00 AM

She is nursing a baby. She's in an industrial environment because she is held captive by the Vykkers so her children can be used directly as slave labour.

Lord Vulcher · #33 07-12-2006, 03:40 AM

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She is nursing a baby. She's in an industrial environment because she is held captive by the Vykkers so her children can be used directly as slave labour.....

....like in MO when you see the box that says, "Sam's Labour Eggs."

Mega-mud! · #34 07-15-2006, 11:27 AM

soooo sad.....

Lord Vulcher · #35 07-15-2006, 12:07 PM

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soooo sad.....

Really? I love killing Mudokons in AE.

***Xavier*** · #36 07-15-2006, 02:58 PM

well it IS sad to think your children will be taken from you to spend their life in slavery.

used:) · #37 07-15-2006, 03:12 PM

As well as knowing you have to go through the painful of giving birth for the rest of your life.

Spirrow · #38 07-15-2006, 05:30 PM

And knowing that the chances of giving birth to another female
is very slim. So if Sam dies, the end of the mudokons would come soon unless the vykkers can clone mudokons.

Slaveless · #39 07-15-2006, 05:57 PM

Actually, that's unlikely. Sam most likely will give birth to another female sometime soon. Also, if that really does happen, the Vykkers would have known about that before hand.

It's a cruel life for a queen with so much care for her children, but yet has to let them go. I always wondered if Sam had any powers. Or is there anti-chant droids in her room?

used:) · #40 07-15-2006, 07:56 PM

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And knowing that the chances of giving birth to another female
is very slim. So if Sam dies, the end of the mudokons would come soon unless the vykkers can clone mudokons.

Not really, in insect colonies, when the queen feels her death is near, she lays one egg containing the next queen. In fact, many of the aspects of Sam resemble that of a termite queen: her appearance, her reproductive system, even her desire to kill herself (yes, the termite queen tries all of her life to claw away from her own body to try and escape from the unbearable pain of constant birth giving, no joke). Interesting speculation as to what inspired the character of Sam.

Mudoko_Jedi · #41 07-15-2006, 10:34 PM

I dont think sam would be able to posses and even if she could they would be useless because of anti chant orbs, I doubt they wouldnt install them in such an importent room.

Bullet Magnet · #42 07-16-2006, 12:48 AM

Why would egg laying queens suffer the same pain giving birth as mammals? Surely their dedicated reproductive abdomen should be perfect for passing the eggs out?

Lord Vulcher · #43 07-16-2006, 01:04 AM

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I dont think sam would be able to posses and even if she could they would be useless because of anti chant orbs, I doubt they wouldnt install them in such an importent room.

Well, I think she would be too mad to possess someone. She is on the verge of commiting suicide isn't she?

used:) · #44 07-16-2006, 07:14 AM

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Why would egg laying queens suffer the same pain giving birth as mammals? Surely their dedicated reproductive abdomen should be perfect for passing the eggs out?

Think of it as shitting out twelve bowling balls every other second. Not fun.

Bullet Magnet · #45 07-16-2006, 09:34 AM

That was actually an activity at the holiday camp I stayed at last week

But as the only purpose of existence, I would have thought that the drive to remain and reproduce would be very powerful in a queen, as is the sex drive in (most) people. Those that lack the urge do not reproduce, those that have it pass on the sex drive to their offspring. Basic evolution.

But this is getting a tad off topic now.

used:) · #46 07-16-2006, 10:08 AM

Hmmm, good point. And to stay on topic; hurrah for the movie. ^_^

Now....yes the drive to reproduce can be very powerful, but when it means that kind of pain for life, well I suppose even the strongest of inctincts can be broken.

Slaveless · #47 07-16-2006, 10:42 AM

For the on-topic part, I don't think if we see Sam in the movie, but you never know.

For the real reason why I'm posting, the difference between Sam and a human is this. A human's reproduction need is based on a choose, not a forcful thing. Sam on the other hand, is reproducing by the minute, and the Vykkers force her to do that. I bet life was much better before the Glukkons rebelled. On the other hand, she might be depressed that her children are going into slavery without her say on anything. Plus, her abdomen isn huge and she can't move to do anything. So, that's all I wanted to say.

Lord Vulcher · #48 07-16-2006, 10:44 AM

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Plus, her abdomen isn huge and she can't move to do anything. So, that's all I wanted to say.

Then how on Earth did they get her into Vykkers Labs?

Slaveless · #49 07-16-2006, 10:47 AM

We can suppose that she wasn't always like that. Also, the Vykker Labs should had been in the making maybe, when they had placed her in the Vykker Labs.

Lord Vulcher · #50 07-16-2006, 10:56 AM

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We can suppose that she wasn't always like that. Also, the Vykker Labs should had been in the making maybe, when they had placed her in the Vykker Labs.

That is a plausible theory. Maybe we might see the scenes cut out of MO in the movie?

used:) · #51 07-16-2006, 11:28 AM

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Then how on Earth did they get her into Vykkers Labs?

How do you think?

Lord Vulcher · #52 07-16-2006, 11:31 AM

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How do you think?

Well, she was big, so I guess they didn't bring her through the front door.

Jordan · #53 07-16-2006, 12:36 PM

She was probably a lot thinner then, she probably even had hips, the Vykkers could have overfed her? My sister said the Mudokon queen ate too many cream cakes. *shrugs*

used:) · #54 07-16-2006, 12:43 PM

She probably wasn't thinner then, she was going through the same birthing cycle she is now. What I'm trying to get through is that you should try and be a litte constructive with your theories. She was probably hauled up with a crane of some sort. And keep keep in mind they have been in control of Sam for a long time, so she hasn't always resided in the same birthing chamber you see in the picture.

Mudoko_Jedi · #55 07-16-2006, 11:05 PM

how do you know.

Lord Vulcher · #56 07-16-2006, 11:07 PM

Well, the big question is, how are they going to rescue her without making her commit suicide, which she is so close but prevented from doing.

Bullet Magnet · #57 07-17-2006, 02:28 AM

I suspect that undeveloped queens; the "princesses" if you will, look similar to the workers until it is time to take on the mantle of breeding queen, when they balloon.

I'm sure Lorne had something planned for that eventuality. I imagine that she would have given life a little more time to prove itself when the option of escae presented itself to her. Perhaps a huge bird portal would open up beneath her, though that seems too easy. I expect it would have been more like a total raid, with freed and native mudokons dropping out of portals all over the labs, geared up and ready for action, protecting Abe, Munch and Sam as they make their laborious escape. The fuzzles may well have leant a hand (so to speak) and several airships would probably fly out to prevent Abe/Lulu's airship from getting away, in the biggest Oddworld battle this side of Hand of Odd.

At least, that's what I hope it would have been like.

used:) · #58 07-17-2006, 07:31 AM

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how do you know.

I don't. I just think with a creative and logical mind. In truth, it doesn't matter, the little things of how they transported Sam don't matter on bit. It's the state of things now that count.

munchman92 · #59 08-15-2006, 10:14 AM

how comes there arent many female mudokens?

Fuzzle Guy · #60 08-15-2006, 10:25 AM

I think Mudokons have no sexual organs so there is no need for females, but I'm not sure.