Vegetarianism -

ZombieX · #61 07-10-2002, 09:01 AM

Okay, I remember this topic in bits and pieces, and I can't be bothered quoting you all... plus it would make my post look twice as long, which isn't pretty.

At some point it was mentioned that you can't become a vegetarian whilst living with your parents. This sounds to me like you have a very oppressive regime in your household. Surely when you are shopping with them you could pick up some preffered meat substitutes... or if you don't shop with them just do it yourself. Tell them you don't wan't to eat meat, explain why, and move on. Unless you are completely lazy and just let your parents do EVERYTHING for you.

Someone also said that vegetarians should go out and pick their own vegetables... I can do that, I've done that. But it misses the point of why you were asked if you could slaughter your own food. (Which I've witnessed, and could not do, by the way). It takes another kind of mental strength to take away another life. As for the general slaughter being painless, you couldn't be more wrong. Cows are herded happlessly and helplessly to the slaughter house. A bolt is swiftly shot into their head before they're strung up and bled etc. You try having a bolt shot in your head. In a recent investigation a number of American slaughterhouses were discovered to have LIVE cows strung up: the bolt didn't kill them... I can't remember the exact details, but if you're desperate I'm sure I could root out the article.

The difference between animals and plants is that animals have CONSCIOUSNESS.. a brain. Humans, also having a consciousness, can sympathize with other animals. Anyways, I won't go further down that road.

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If meat products have no nutritional value that can't be gained from plant matter, then why isn't there a wide spread push in human society to stop eating meat?

Because most of society is based around pleasure-seeking. The fact is most people find meat tastes nice, and aren't willing to give it up becuse they are selfish. That is what my whole argument is about.

Continuing with the analogy used throughout this debate, if humans dislike murder, why isn't there a wide spread push in human society to stop that? Okay, we have police forces, but we just leave it all up to them. How many of us, if we walked down a street and saw a violent murder taking place by a gang of thugs would rush in and stop it? Most of us would scurry away and call the cops when the guy's dead.

Okay, that was a bad analogy... but look at it this way, a lot of you eat meat, right? If YOU knew plant matter contains all the same nutritional values as meat, would you stop eating meat? If the answer was yes, you'd better stop now. Anyways I'm not really putting myself accross clearly here.

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I'm not quite sure how this supports your agument, as on average, vegetarians live longer than those who eat meat.

Although I doubt that's because they don't eat meat. More likely the fact they are vegetarian means they are concerned with their health, therefore they live a healthier lifestyle. But then not eating meat helps.. with macdonalds and burger king making their fast foods ever more fattening. I'd like to add I used to hate macdonalds anyways. Still do, in fact.

Well, I'll shut up now. I've found this topic very interesting. I've also seen some stupid, arrogant, ignorant, selfish, hypocritical, commendable, original, clever and downright weird views from both "sides" of the debate. It's a pity some people have taken it so personally. God I sound like a moron don't I?

One more pointless observation, totally unrelated, and I mean no offence by this, but:

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Wow, if you weren't too busy judging... ...I know every vitamin and mineral known to man! I took nutrition classes before. So before you call some one ignorant and lazy, ask people first if they know anything about nutrition and the human body.

This just struck me as being very arrogant and self centred. I don't know why, but I think it could be all the "I"s and "me"s included. Plus the fact someone who took nutrition classes and was loudly and emotionally proving it didn't even seem to know much more than me. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure this person does know a lot more, but it's a pity they couldn't have said something more bafflingly scientifically unusually, that no-one understands but everyone sits in awe at, if you see what I mean. Oh, and I don't think I know every vitamin and mineral known to man.

Anyways, I'm rambling now.

***Wil*** · #62 07-10-2002, 11:43 AM

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At some point it was mentioned that you can't become a vegetarian whilst living with your parents. This sounds to me like you have a very oppressive regime in your household. Surely when you are shopping with them you could pick up some preffered meat substitutes... or if you don't shop with them just do it yourself. Tell them you don't wan't to eat meat, explain why, and move on. Unless you are completely lazy and just let your parents do EVERYTHING for you.

Like I said, these are parents that shun my grandparents for being vegeatarian. As far as they're aware, they've no clue whatsoever that I'm questioning my own dietary habits, and I don't really want to ruin a perfectly harmonious relationship, although I certainly do want to prove I can overcome my selfishness and state my disgust at the animal slaughter industry some time in the very near future.

Jacob · #63 07-10-2002, 11:49 AM

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Marijuana comes from a plant and thus was a conscious being? I don't know if I should take you seriously, Jacob. The most stupid argument I have ever heard that attempts to villify vegetarians is that "plants have feelings, too." If you're going to declare something, you're going to need something to back it up. Using your logic:

Cornelius: We shouldn't visit the moon because we will squash the invisible unicorns living there!

Penelope: But there are no invisible unicorns on the moon!

Cornelius: But nobody knows for certain...

The burden of proof remains with you. Take a class in biology before you claim that plants have feelings.

Have any substantial evidence that suggests there is no such thing as invisible Unicorns?

I was basically saying that before veggies have a go at meateaters and vice versa to take into consideration that everything we eat, smoke, drink etc will have come from a living thing. And it is not absurd to believe that all living things have feelings...and thus, whatever we eat, drink, smoke etc we will be having something killed.

***Wil*** · #64 07-10-2002, 11:58 AM

Everything? Even water? And salt?

Then again, they are the only two consunables I can think of that haven't come from a living thing.

But I really don't think plants have any mental abilities. For one thing they have no brain, no ganglia and no nervous system. Their ability to sense stimuli such as light and water and their ability to react by growing towards them are achieved chamically rather than electrically, and any plant that does move itself (venus flytraps, for instance) do so by unavoidable mechanism, not decision.

But then again, it's entirely possible that their exists a soul that can exist despite the limits of the physical world. I just don't believe it.

And rocks being capable of thought is just silly.

PinkHaired Mudokon CWR · #65 07-10-2002, 12:23 PM

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Plus the fact someone who took nutrition classes and was loudly and emotionally proving it didn't even seem to know much more than me

That's how you learn things in the first place by going to school, and it does not prove that you know more than me because you don't know anyone's IQ status to say that.

Fazerina · #66 07-10-2002, 02:51 PM

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Originally posted by PinkHaired Mudokon CWR
Vitamin K is a fat-soluble vitamin that plays an important role in blood clotting

Yes, but how is that relevant, since you get vitamin K from fresh vegetables, cereals, etc? Vegetarians don't lack vitamin K.

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Wow, if you weren't too busy judging me and calling me names, you would know more about me! I know my human anatomy and nutrition.

I haven't been judging you. At least not because of your meat-eating. Well you haven't showed your info on these subjects, because you have said you have to eat meat for nutrition, which is not true! You know your vitamins, etc, good. But you obviously don't know all the sources, where you can get these vitamins from. Vegeterians don't lack any vitamins and vegans only lack vitamin B12, which is the only vitamin that is not present in plant foods.

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Then what are you arguing about?! Your saying that we should eat fruits and vegetables and meat is bad.

I'm not saying meat is bad. I don't want to eat it, because I think it's wrong.

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Yes, I do know. Unlike you don't know that veggies don't eat just fruit and vegetables.

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You said:
Who said that.

Well obviously you don't learn... It isn't healthy to eat just vegetables and fruits, but vegetarians don't eat just fruit and veggies! We eat vegetables, fruit, bread, cereal, rice, pasta, beans, nuts, seeds, milk, cheese, soy products, fats, oils, sweets, crisps, etc. Everything except meat. I can't understand how people always think that all food in the world ends, if meat is taken away.

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And yes, I want a shape like Barbie. But I love my stick-figure big boobs and by big butt body!

Well poor you. I don't let commercial and marceting industries determine what I should look like.

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Eating meat to me is not wrong. It's fine unless you abuse it, yeah then it is bad.

You've said this many times, so just out of curiousity, what do you mean by "abusing meat"?

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I mean c'mon, you probably have eaten a hamburger once in a blue mood. Or once in your lifetime. Can you resist the mouth-watering temptation? I mean, some veggies give in. Your not going to be a perfect veggie all the time

No, I havent. Once in my life time, yes. I've eaten many hamburgers in my life time, since I did eat meat for over 17 years of my life. Yes, I can resist it. Actually, it isn't a temptation at all. I'm more disgusted my the smell of meat nowadays. I don't know that and so don't you, but I'm planning on being one. If I'd like to eat meat, I'd eat it, but I don't.

*mmm... the mouth-watering tempation... something smells good*

*goes off to eat veggie-risotto, which she just cooked for herself*

PinkHaired Mudokon CWR · #67 07-10-2002, 05:02 PM

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Yes, but how is that relevant, since you get vitamin K from fresh vegetables, cereals, etc? Vegetarians don't lack vitamin K.

It is relevant. You were talking about nutrition and knowing the facts. Well, vitamins is the sources of nutrition. I thought you knew that. and I did not say that veggies lack vitamin k. You don't listen at all.

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I haven't been judging you. At least not because of your meat-eating. Well you haven't showed your info on these subjects, because you have said you have to eat meat for nutrition, which is not true! You know your vitamins, etc, good. But you obviously don't know all the sources, where you can get these vitamins from. Vegeterians don't lack any vitamins and vegans only lack vitamin B12, which is the only vitamin that is not present in plant foods.

You have too judge me by calling me names for no apparent reason. I can eat meat for the nutrition. You said it was not true. You can eat meat for plenty of reasons. One, you like the taste or two, your open-minded and like to try new things. I eat meat and I don't have any vitamin deficiencies. You can get B vitamins from bread. Did you not know that? You don't have to eat plants in order to have the vitamin B. I don't know the sources to were to get them well let's see here and let me get this info outta my brain:

Vitamin A; Orange and yellow vegetables and fruits; dark-green leafy vegetables; whole milk, cream, egg yolks and butter; and animal livers, fish liver oils, garlic, and alfalfa.

Vitamin B (complex at least); meats, fish, poultry, brewer's yeast, eggs, beans and peas, dark-green leafy vegetables, bread, whole-grain cereals, and dairy product.

Vitamin C;Citrus fruits, berries, rose hips, capsicum, strawberries, broccoli, rockmelons, tomatoes, and leafy greens.

Vitamin D; Fatty fish such as herring, salmon, and tuna, dairy products, eggs, summer sun, and breakfast cereals.

Vitamin E; I know that Cold pressed vegetable oils, nuts, dark-green leafy vegetables, organic meats, seafood, eggs, and avocados have it.

Vitamin K; Spinach, asparagus, cabbage, brussels sprouts, cauliflower, broccoli, turnip greens, or other dark leafy vegetables, beef, liver; green tea; cheese, egg yolks, and oats.

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I'm not saying meat is bad. I don't want to eat it, because I think it's wrong.

Well, that's what you think. I don't think like you do.

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Well obviously you don't learn... It isn't healthy to eat just vegetables and fruits, but vegetarians don't eat just fruit and veggies! We eat vegetables, fruit, bread, cereal, rice, pasta, beans, nuts, seeds, milk, cheese, soy products, fats, oils, sweets, crisps, etc. Everything except meat. I can't understand how people always think that all food in the world ends, if meat is taken away.

I don't think you learn or listen to what I am trying to say. You CAN'T eat just fruits and veggies! I already knew that you said that so many times. I don't think that the world is going to end if I live without meat. I love meat to add alittle spice in my tastebuds life! Ya happy! I confess! Bwahahahahaha! OYE YI YI YI! MUCHO SALUD!

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Well poor you. I don't let commercial and marceting industries determine what I should look like.

Wow, are you that insecure with yourself. You don't love your body? I will never trade it with all the reductions in the world baby! BTW, I was only kidding you should of noticed the sarcasim there I've always had this body. If my pants get a little tucked, what do you do? excersise! It's not like I am looking at a Barbie aerobics tape.

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You've said this many times, so just out of curiousity, what do you mean by "abusing meat"?

abuse it my meaning eating too much. It's like taking an iron supplement. It's okay for you if you take one tablet. but on the back it saids not to take an overdose because it's toxic. Like meat, it's okay to eat meat but not like meat after meat after meat. You can get heart-attacks or cardiac arrest and stuff.

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No, I havent. Once in my life time, yes. I've eaten many hamburgers in my life time, since I did eat meat for over 17 years of my life. Yes, I can resist it. Actually, it isn't a temptation at all. I'm more disgusted my the smell of meat nowadays. I don't know that and so don't you, but I'm planning on being one. If I'd like to eat meat, I'd eat it, but I don't.

Yeah, maybe tres in your lifetime! I've been eating meat for 17 years and I am fine. Well, if you lack vitamin B so much, take a bit outta crime! Bwaahahhaahah!

One, Two, Middlesboogie · #68 07-10-2002, 05:15 PM

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Originally posted by Dragadon
Here is something to think about in regards to plants. You can have a perfectly healthly and thriving planet in the yard. Yet when you transplant it to a new location it goes into a state of shock and can possiblely die.
No, a plant can't feel pain like we do...but the fact they can go into shock must mean something....

True... but since animals do feel true pain, I have decided to stop eating both them and plants and live on an exclusive diet of bricks.

Fazerina · #69 07-10-2002, 05:34 PM

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Originally posted by PinkHaired Mudokon CWR
It is relevant. You were talking about nutrition and knowing the facts. Well, vitamins is the sources of nutrition. I thought you knew that. and I did not say that veggies lack vitamin k. You don't listen at all.

I do listen. And yes, I knew that. I just thought you were saying that you can get them only from meat or something. It was alone in the top and not with the other vitamin things, so I thought your point was there...

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I can eat meat for the nutrition. You said it was not true. You can eat meat for plenty of reasons. One, you like the taste or two, your open-minded and like to try new things. I eat meat and I don't have any vitamin deficiencies. You can get B vitamins from bread. Did you not know that? You don't have to eat plants in order to have the vitamin B.

Yes, you can eat meat for the nutrition, but you don't have to it and you're still eating everything you need to. That's what I've been saying.

I am open minded. Very open minded, actually. And I love trying new things! Also new foods. I just don't want to eat meat any more, so I wont be trying new meat foods. Geez, what a lost...

I know many sources, where you can get vitamin B from. I've done my studying.

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I don't know the sources to were to get them well let's see here and let me get this info outta my brain:

Good, so you do know you don't have to eat meat to get them.

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I don't think you learn or listen to what I am trying to say. You CAN'T eat just fruits and veggies! I already knew that you said that so many times.

Good. You just didn't seem to know, because you said:

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Then what are you arguing about?! Your saying that we should eat fruits and vegetables and meat is bad.

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Wow, are you that insecure with yourself. You don't love your body? I will never trade it with all the reductions in the world baby! BTW, I was only kidding you should of noticed the sarcasim there I've always had this body.

No, I'm not insecure with my body. I do love my body as nature created it, and I could never take any implants or anything into my body and change it just because I should look like everyone else. I don't need to look like everyone else. If someone wants a Barbie doll -body, that person isn't insecure and happy with herself.

So you were kidding about wanting a barbie doll body, because you've already got one...? Or there was the sarcasm and you don't have one..?

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abuse it my meaning eating too much. It's like taking an iron supplement. It's okay for you if you take one tablet. but on the back it saids not to take an overdose because it's toxic. Like meat, it's okay to eat meat but not like meat after meat after meat. You can get heart-attacks or cardiac arrest and stuff.

Thank you. Now I know what you've been talking about.

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Yeah, maybe tres in your lifetime! I've been eating meat for 17 years and I am fine. Well, if you lack vitamin B so much, take a bit outta crime!

I've been eating meat for 17 years as well, and I'm fine too. I never said I wasn't. And I never said, I lack vitamin B. I don't. I said vegeterian's don't lack any vitamins. If they're eating proparly of course, and I am.

PinkHaired Mudokon CWR · #70 07-10-2002, 05:43 PM

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So you were kidding about wanting a barbie doll body, because you've already got one...? Or there was the sarcasm and you don't have one..?

I was joking about being like Barbie. I don't wan too I am happy the way God made me. I would never change my body for anything.

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Good, so you do know you don't have to eat meat to get them.

SOme of them.

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Good. You just didn't seem to know, because you said:

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Then what are you arguing about?! Your saying that we should eat fruits and vegetables and meat is bad.

It seem like you were saying that we should eat fruits and vegetables only!

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I've been eating meat for 17 years as well, and I'm fine too. I never said I wasn't. And I never said, I lack vitamin B. I don't. I said vegeterian's don't lack any vitamins. If they're eating proparly of course, and I am.

THen you have to be 20 or something because that's a big chunk of meat eating of your life. You haven't been a veggie too long to see any difference.

Fazerina · #71 07-10-2002, 07:08 PM

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Originally posted by PinkHaired Mudokon CWR
I was joking about being like Barbie. I don't wan too I am happy the way God made me. I would never change my body for anything.

Good.

That's a healthy way of thinking.

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Some of them.

NO. You can get all of them without eating meat.

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It seem like you were saying that we should eat fruits and vegetables only!

How can it seem like that?!

I have said:

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veggies don't eat just fruit and vegetables.

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Nothing else to eat? There are plenty of things to eat! I eat everything, except for meat, so that still leaves you with a lot of options. You just said yourself that you eat many other things than meat. So... there are still many other things to eat. I do eat dairy

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it isn't healthy to eat just fruit and vegetables!

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It isn't healthy to eat just vegetables and fruits, but vegetarians don't eat just fruit and veggies! We eat vegetables, fruit, bread, cereal, rice, pasta, beans, nuts, seeds, milk, cheese, soy products, fats, oils, sweets, crisps, etc. Everything except meat. I can't understand how people always think that all food in the world ends, if meat is taken away.

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THen you have to be 20 or something because that's a big chunk of meat eating of your life. You haven't been a veggie too long to see any difference.

I am 18. And if I can't see the difference in myself, I can see it in my veggie friends, who have been without meat longer than me.

PinkHaired Mudokon CWR · #72 07-10-2002, 07:36 PM

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NO. You can get all of them without eating meat.

Not evvverthing.

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I am 18. And if I can't see the difference in myself, I can see it in my veggie friends, who have been without meat longer than me.

Yeah, skinny and white as snow! I mean, they need a tan.

Fazerina · #73 07-11-2002, 02:43 PM

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Originally posted by PinkHaired Mudokon CWR
Not evvverthing.

Yes, everything.

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Yeah, skinny and white as snow! I mean, they need a tan.

No, they are not skinny. Nor white. I said "if I can't see the difference in myself, I can see it in my veggie friends". But what I meant was I could see the difference. There isn't one! Except that they feel healthier and better about themself, but you can't see anything from the outside. All veggies are not skinny and pale and there are many meat-eaters, who are skinny and pale. It isn't about the diet, it's about if you follow the diet and eat all the right foods, or not.

ZombieX · #74 07-11-2002, 03:17 PM

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Originally posted by PinkHaired Mudokon CWR

That's how you learn things in the first place by going to school, and it does not prove that you know more than me because you don't know anyone's IQ status to say that.

That's how you learn things in the first place by going to school
I know.

and it does not prove that you know more than me because you don't know anyone's IQ status to say that.
I never said it proved I knew more than you. I don't claim to, and I'm sure you know more than me.

I was pointing out that in my twisted opinion it sounded like you were trying to prove you knew a heck of a lot about nutrition, but in doing so sounded like you knew no more than me, who knows very little about nutrition.

Or something like that. It was not designed to cause offence. I'm very sorry for any caused, and take back all comments. Please forgive me. Peace out?

PinkHaired Mudokon CWR · #75 07-11-2002, 04:43 PM

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Originally posted by ZombieX

That's how you learn things in the first place by going to school
I know.

and it does not prove that you know more than me because you don't know anyone's IQ status to say that.
I never said it proved I knew more than you. I don't claim to, and I'm sure you know more than me.

I was pointing out that in my twisted opinion it sounded like you were trying to prove you knew a heck of a lot about nutrition, but in doing so sounded like you knew no more than me, who knows very little about nutrition.

Or something like that. It was not designed to cause offence. I'm very sorry for any caused, and take back all comments. Please forgive me. Peace out?

I forgive you. When I read it the second time, I knew it was'nt offensive. Nice belly button.

Danny · #76 07-12-2002, 08:35 PM

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ANd Dan, when Stat talk about take care of your own health, he meant to worry about YOUR OWN health and not the health of other people.

I know that, and I responded by saying that I do take care of my own health, simply by being vegetarian.

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There's some facts that I don't know, but not everything I imply to, I don't have the facts to. Do you have the facts all the time?

If you know that you don't know the facts, why do you make out that you do?

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I mean c'mon, you probably have eaten a hamburger once in a blue mood. Or once in your lifetime. Can you resist the mouth-watering temptation?

Hamburgers are one of the foulest and most disgusting foods ever created by man. Mouth-watering temptation? Don't make me laugh...

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Originally posted by ZombieX
Don't get me wrong, I'm sure this person does know a lot more,

Never assume, Zombie, never assume... This is Pinky we're talking about here, remember...

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I never said it proved I knew more than you. I don't claim to, and I'm sure you know more than me.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha... No, seriously, read her posts before making assumptions like that...

PinkHaired Mudokon CWR · #77 07-12-2002, 08:47 PM

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Hamburgers are one of the foulest and most disgusting foods ever created by man. Mouth-watering temptation? Don't make me laugh...

Why don't you eat a hamburger and other protein-enriched foods to make that bald spot you have to grow! I hear that hair looooves protein. LOL No I'm kidding clown man. I really don't eat alot of beef. Too greasy. I really eat fish and chicken.

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If you know that you don't know the facts, why do you make out that you do?

I said some things...Duuuuuuhhhhh, Your not going to know everything.

Edo · #78 07-15-2002, 01:54 AM

I am a vegetarian and I agree with every radical vegetarian idea out there. I don't drink milk, either. Milk is wack! McDonald's is wack! Ahhh! Too many carnivores! All our hunger problems would be solved if we stopped raising animals. Vegetables are infinetely more effiecient to produce. And what happens when this lust for flesh (not to criticize lust, I'm just talking about meat) goes too far? What happens when we're next? When population outstrips food production? Has anyone seen Soylent Green?

Sl'askia · #79 07-15-2002, 09:15 AM

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What happens when we're next? When population outstrips food production? Has anyone seen Soylent Green?

If humans would stop being ignorant about their activities (ie destroying the environment) that would not happen.

And yes I have seen that movie. It's a classic.

*mutters something about thinking this topic had died...*

Sydney · #80 07-15-2002, 09:47 AM

Yes, this topic has died. Cause of death: the inability for meat-eaters to justify their diet.

SeaRex · #81 07-15-2002, 01:09 PM

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Originally posted by Sydney
Yes, this topic has died. Cause of death: the inability for meat-eaters to justify their diet.

I wish you would stop putting us all in one category. You showed me that meat eating is selfish, that is why I didn't respond to the last post you made aimed at me. I can not justify my diet, as there is no way to justify a carnivorous diet, so that make this topic destined to die anyway.

Statikk HDM · #82 07-15-2002, 05:33 PM

**** it all. Somwe cow will die today to feed me tomorrow and I won't even blink an eye. The ciRRRcle of LIIIIFE!

PinkHaired Mudokon CWR · #83 07-26-2002, 09:46 PM

I have a question, is their only one vegetarian type? Like is their a group of vegetarians who eat fruits, vegetables, and dairy products? Do you eat dairy products Sydney? are you the hard core vegetarian who doesn't eat meat or dairy products or poultry?

Sl'askia · #84 07-26-2002, 09:52 PM

Those that don't eat any animal products are just refered to as 'vegans' if I remember right....

Sydney · #85 07-26-2002, 10:13 PM

There are all different kind of vegetarians, although some don't really deserve the title "vegetarian". I'm a vege who eats everything but meat. Therefore, chicken, fish, cow, pig, etc are all forbidden in my diet.

I know some people who say they're a vegetarian "sometimes"...

morphius · #86 07-27-2002, 02:03 AM

is eating meat really wrong though, again it comes down to what u value.... dont we get some benefits from being on the top of the food chain, do u believe in social darwinism to a different extent, that we have the right because we are able to...(ill explain myself if neccassary) what if we evolved quicker and the other animals are just left and are the weak, does this justify us eating them? what if they are here for our own benefits to provide for us this could be an arguable point. but surely if everyone ate smaller amounts of meat just a small portion a day things would be better and there would be very little problems... meat would be in a less of a demand and there would be no need for mass torturing of animals such as pigs who are born into a nightmare then so to say chopped down. then u could feed on the animals like they feed on each other, to survive, eat because u have to and not take advantage into mass producing this meat. I dont agree with the mass production of meat in america today it is quite terrible..........i think hunting is better because atleast the animal lived a short but free life and dies quick instead of its whole life being a painful one..to many people eat to much meat this is one of the biggest problems i myself prefer vegetables.............. but the older generation of people do tend to eat more meat because thats all they had i know for a fact that some of the older population thats all they eat is meat because thats what they were told to eat, so some of this is tradition and really not a careless act.....some of the points might be wrong but it depends on what u think is right and how u view things..........do u think the animals are dying for a reason or just outa of a selfishness of man? do u think this large amount of eating of animals is suppose to happen? meat is sometimes cheaper to get too so some people eat meat because thats what they can afford, not everyone can pay top dollar to buy some of these expensive fruits and vegetables......... there are many arguments for it but i think just limiting how much meat u eat would solve alot but u cant stop someone who wants to be careless and eat many tons of meat and people need to support more animal rights if they think this is wrong..... much of this is sadly hard to do now do to the influence of money.............i am all for people who only eat vegetables and fruit, etc. they are atleast respecting the animals and the earth in a positive way........... note: i am sorry for any spelling errors and will be glad to go into more depth of what i mean....................

Surfacing · #87 07-27-2002, 03:01 AM

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Originally posted by Sydney
There are all different kind of vegetarians, although some don't really deserve the title "vegetarian". I'm a vege who eats everything but meat. Therefore, chicken, fish, cow, pig, etc are all forbidden in my diet.

I know some people who say they're a vegetarian "sometimes"...

Well do you consume food produced by animals? Like eggs, milk ect ect?.

Sydney · #88 07-27-2002, 04:19 AM

Free-range eggs and milk, yes.

Gluk Schmuck · #89 07-27-2002, 10:38 AM

Some people don't understand that fish is meat. Like if you say you're vegetarian and then they ask you 'do you eat fish?'. Or when people are talking about food they class fish seperately to meat.

How stupid can you get? Is it so hard to understand that fish are animals? According to some quiz 50-something percent of men don't think clams are living things. Stupid, or what...

dark_xinos · #90 07-27-2002, 07:05 PM

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Originally posted by Sydney
The only reason why people continue to eat meat is because of selfishness, those meat-eaters who are not selfish may use the excuse of ignorance.

Then why do you eat plants!? You are killing life as much as we meat eators! A rabbit, or a mushroom, both are alive.

And if you eat meat, and plants, you will be healthier then if you only eat one of them. There is nothing whrong with eating meat just becuas you dont belive in it. And even if it is cuas where selfish, then that is the human way. We are just animals like other critters. Cows wont go extinct just becuas w eat them, if that is what you worrie about.