King Minos' Judgement -

Goresplatter · #31 07-05-2011, 03:49 PM

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Dante was such a stupid conceited fuck thinking Brutus and Cassius's betrayel came anywhere near to matching that of Judas's.

I'm astounded anyone pious enough to believe Dante's fairytale ever realized they were passively commiting herasy by giving Julius Ceaser the same status as Jesus.

I dunno, turning someone in to authorities vs. literally stabbing a guy in the back a number of times? I know which one I'm more likely to forgive. Also, Judas' punishment was worse than that of Brutus and Cassius.

STM · #32 07-05-2011, 03:57 PM

We don't even know for certain if Judas of Iscariot went to Hell, we know he was chosen to betray the Messiah and that the scriptures had to be fulfilled. All the apostles had committed sins as well as Judas before they were picked and Judas had committed arguably one of the modest of sins.

Strike Witch · #33 07-05-2011, 04:41 PM

Wasn't there some acropoffia or whatever a few years back saying Jesus made him do it?

Wings of Fire · #34 07-05-2011, 04:57 PM

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I dunno, turning someone in to authorities vs. literally stabbing a guy in the back a number of times? I know which one I'm more likely to forgive. Also, Judas' punishment was worse than that of Brutus and Cassius.

Turning the messiah in to corrupt authorities that want to kill him, vs stabbing a tyrant in the back.

yeah...

Goresplatter · #35 07-05-2011, 06:06 PM

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Turning the messiah in to corrupt authorities that want to kill him, vs stabbing a tyrant in the back.

yeah...

You're not looking at these people in context.

For one, whether Judas believed that Jesus was actually the Messiah influences this decision.

To the Romans, Jesus was essentially a potential terrorist. The Jews were known to be dangerous to them, and then they were all rallying behind some potentially dangerous leader. And also, name me a government that was not corrupt in that time period. Judas may even have been doing the right thing, turning in the anarchist who threatens the state. Certainly the Romans had good reason to want Jesus dead.

Caesar did the civilisation of Rome a LOT of good. The people who assassinated him were among those he trusted most, and they probably all did it for a slice of power. The people loved Caesar - he can't have been THAT much of a bad ruler, even if he was technically a tyrant.

Wings of Fire · #36 07-05-2011, 06:13 PM

You're trying to argue the betrayel of Jesus Christ wasn't the most heinous sin the world has ever seen since the end of the old testement in a book written by a religious nutjob about religion for religious people and you're saying I lack context?

Goresplatter · #37 07-05-2011, 06:19 PM

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You're trying to argue the betrayel of Jesus Christ wasn't the most heinous sin the world has ever seen since the end of the old testement in a book written by a religious nutjob about religion for religious people and you're saying I lack context?

Erm, yes, I am... In a book written for the purpose of praising a single person, the guy who turns him in is gonna get a pretty bad wrap, to be honest. The Bible isn't the only context in Christianity.

There's more to Sin and the levels of treachery than just what's in the Bible. And that's why Dante, who was no doubt a devout Christian, chose to include the betrayers of Caesar in Lucifer's left and right mouths.

Strike Witch · #38 07-05-2011, 10:35 PM

Dante's Inferno is canon?

Goresplatter · #39 07-06-2011, 02:12 AM

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Dante's Inferno is canon?

Probably not church canon, but a lot of people were influenced by his ideas and probably believed that his description of Hell was pretty accurate.

Manco · #40 07-06-2011, 03:01 AM

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we know he was chosen to betray the Messiah and that the scriptures had to be fulfilled.

judas had no free will

god is a dick

***Nate*** · #41 07-06-2011, 04:10 AM

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Wasn't there some acropoffia or whatever a few years back saying Jesus made him do it?

Yes, the Gospel of Judas.

STM · #42 07-06-2011, 04:27 AM

I think Gorepslatter's arguments for Caesar and Judas are very good, even though I obviously think it was the worst crime anyone ever committed it had to be done to cleanse humanity of its sins. I never look down on Judas for what he did, just as I never look down on Pontius Pilate. It is according to Inferno that both went to Hell if I remember correctly but Pilate never wanted to send Jesus for crucifixion and both had to fulfil their roles to kill Jesus. If they hadn't done it he would have likely been assassinated any way by the mob.

Strike Witch · #43 07-06-2011, 06:03 AM

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Yes, the Gospel of Judas.

So Judas was talking with Jesus and followed his directions...

So, Judas Priest?

Bullet Magnet · #44 07-06-2011, 11:05 AM

You can't eternally punish someone for playing their pre-ordained part in a cosmic plan and then pretend to be morally perfect. It takes a special kind of fool to buy that act.

Mac Sirloin · #45 07-06-2011, 11:29 AM

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If I'd have to spend all my time in Heaven praying and extolling my faith, I think I'd rather go to Purgatory.

I'm pretty sure that's where I'll end up. Hopefully there's some magazines.

EDIT:Oh, I'm sorry. Looks like you fucking idiots are having another spirituality discussion. Please enjoy yourselves, fucking idiots.

Goresplatter · #46 07-06-2011, 12:02 PM

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I'm pretty sure that's where I'll end up. Hopefully there's some magazines.

EDIT:Oh, I'm sorry. Looks like you fucking idiots are having another spirituality discussion. Please enjoy yourselves, fucking idiots.

Yep. Seems my thread got hijacked. Shame.

Wings of Fire · #47 07-06-2011, 12:42 PM

Great shame.

Bullet Magnet · #48 07-06-2011, 12:50 PM

I am psychologically unable to be shamed by this.

metroixer · #49 07-06-2011, 04:48 PM

because the original idea behind this thread was so much better

MarsMudoken · #50 07-07-2011, 12:48 AM

Hm...my greatest sin is...well, not for this public thread. Maybe I'll hide them in a coded message for my #1000 post. Everyone remember. I guess I can confess to petty theft. Where does that land me?

Also, are you just going to read off the circles, or actually come up with a creative and ironic punishment?

T-nex · #51 07-07-2011, 01:53 AM

I once stole a chewing gum when I was kid cos I forgot to pay and I was eating it right in front of the store clerk. Where does that put me?

Goresplatter · #52 07-07-2011, 02:05 AM

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Also, are you just going to read off the circles, or actually come up with a creative and ironic punishment?

Well, I was going to read the punishments described by Dante, cause he went the poetic irony route, often surprisingly graphically. But I could take a bit of artistic license if people want.

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I guess I can confess to petty theft. Where does that land me?

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I once stole a chewing gum when I was kid cos I forgot to pay and I was eating it right in front of the store clerk. Where does that put me?

One of my favourites; you guys will hang around with the Thieves, in the seventh Bolgia of the eighth circle, guarded by Cacus, a monstrous centaur with a dragon on his back. Here you are attacked constantly by venomous reptiles, whose bites burn your skin away like acid. As ironic punishment, you yourself are 'stolen' - your identity is no longer your own, and after regrowing from the venom, you will be in a corrupted shape, often blended with other people... particularly the ones you hate.

moxco · #53 07-07-2011, 04:15 AM

I wrote a book that depicts the gruesome torture of those who disobey my rules with the intent to con the gullible of their money. Where does that put me?

STM · #54 07-07-2011, 04:24 AM

Dante wrote his three codices as scientific and religious accounts but he never went on a rampage preaching about humanities sins in fact it was likely his books were sold from apothecary shops as was standard at the time. So not really a con.

Perhaps you should ask were falsely accusing people based on your own blighted interpretations would put you.

moxco · #55 07-07-2011, 05:32 AM

An account is a record of something that happened. Dante made up pure fantasy and tried to sell it as religious cannon; he is a conman.

STM · #56 07-07-2011, 06:03 AM

He didn't sell it as religious canon, this is primarily signalled by the fact that the main protagonist in his story is...well himself. He never actually said that he had been to Hell and only made Allighierian Hell based on presumptions and what he perceived Hell to be like. He didn't actually say to people that this is Hell, he was even exiled for the work. Over hundreds of years however, some people believe his canto's to be truthful.

Goresplatter · #57 07-07-2011, 06:20 AM

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An account is a record of something that happened. Dante made up pure fantasy and tried to sell it as religious cannon; he is a conman.

THIS JUST IN! - anyone who writes a book that's supposed to suggest a moral message is a conman! Such authors as...

Homer
Virgil
Aeschylus
Plutarch
Matthew
Mark
Luke
John
J. R. R. Tolkein
J. K. Rowling
Mary Shelley

...and many, many more, are now to be considered con artists, and their works as deceptions to take your money. Up next, is nearly every single movie ever made a con? More at eleven!

MeechMunchie · #58 07-07-2011, 06:33 AM

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Yes, the Gospel of Judas.

My old RE teacher did an essay on that for his final qualifications at uni.

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I'm pretty sure that's where I'll end up. Hopefully there's some magazines.

We can play vidya for eternity. I'll meet you by The Forest of Slightly Sticky Candy.

Strike Witch · #59 07-07-2011, 06:40 AM

I don't die when I'm killed.

Wings of Fire · #60 07-07-2011, 06:45 AM

I wouldn't call Dante a conman, and I'd call the Divine Comedy more of an interpretation than a pretension to religious canon.

I know very little very little about Dante's motivations behind writing, apart from a vague understanding it was politically motivated.