Goths -

OANST · #31 02-09-2005, 10:33 AM

I think you missed an option on the poll. Dumbasses. God, goths are annoying. When you're 26 and still pretending that you're a vampire there is something seriously wrong with you. Plus the whole nonconformist thing is really, really annoying. All you've done is conformed to a different click. There isn't a single goth out there who has an original style or thought. Dumbasses.

Volsung · #32 02-09-2005, 11:25 AM

1. Massive generalization. You might as well say all people who consistently vote third party are dumbasses. Or that no-one who wears a suit on casual friday has ever had an orginal thought.

2. Being a noncomformist doesn't necessarily mean you don't want to belong. It just means you disagree with the dominant culture, and you'd like to do things a different way. Perhaps that different way is via a subculture, perhaps its through extreme individualism. It doesn't mean that you're a hypocrite.

3. Clique

Oddish · #33 02-09-2005, 11:43 AM

I do like the Goths style of cloths. Trenchcoats, black cloths, boots,chains and jewlery. And Hair. I did see a thew goths wearing army style pants.

TheRaisin · #34 02-09-2005, 02:24 PM

Heh. Pwned him, Volsung. "Click". For shame.

The only chains I consider cool are wallet chains. And maybe belly chains, but I have yet to see one in real life so I dunno.

Chains and excessive makeup are the only beefs I have with goth fashion. There's one cute goth girl at my school (exactly one, out of probably fifteen to twenty goth girls), and she wears makeup so thick I imagine it must peel off in big thick sheets after a while. 'Tis a cryin' shame.

OANST · #35 02-09-2005, 02:42 PM

Maybe I should have said from personal experience but every goth I've ever met (hundreds) were extremely trite and stupid people. They're escapists. They can't claim their own reality so they delve into a myth that they have created about themselves. They want something to make them feel special and different. NOONE IS SPECIAL.

Leto · #36 02-09-2005, 03:52 PM

Thank God someone except me thinks the world's population is so mediocre. NOONE IS SPECIAL. Damn right. If you are, you are 'special', in 'special' classes at school with 'special' friends.

Languor · #37 02-09-2005, 03:56 PM

There's quite a difference between people who dress in Gothic-type clothes and Goths. I'm sure there are people that wear Goth clothes but could be the happiest people you've ever met. You just never know...

Super Munch I feel so degraded now.

Hahaha.

Leto · #38 02-09-2005, 04:03 PM

Yay. We should all feel this way.

ANN NEELY · #39 02-09-2005, 05:00 PM

I don't see what the Hell everyone has against Goths. I'M a Goth, and my Odd, does it feel good! My parents don't really approve of it, though...

Alien Guardian

***Nate*** · #40 02-09-2005, 07:50 PM

Can you give us an explanation of why you've chosen that lifestyle? Perhaps if we understood you more then we would be more accepting, the world would be a better place and I wouldn't be single.

Facsimile · #41 02-09-2005, 11:42 PM

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Oh, and trenchcoats are synonymous with cool in my book. The person wearing it may be a poser, but that doesn't make the style less neat.

Considering I've never seen anyone in a trenchcoat, other than The Matrix, can someone tell me how one would be considered a 'poser' if one did?
Whenever I get one I'm going to wear it because I think they look awesome, not to fit in with anyone.

***Nate*** · #42 02-10-2005, 12:23 PM

A couple of my friends are trenchcoat wearers. Not because they're goths but because they're geeks. The main difference being that they wear slightly less make up and are better FPSers than your average goth.

One guy actually bought a leather full-length trenchcoat that zipped up the whole way (a bit like neo's in the second matrix movie), billowed out at the bottom and was covered in random straps. He thought it looked good but he was all alone in that opinion.

The Shadowman · #43 02-10-2005, 12:35 PM

I have a trech coat, and it isn't a goth trench coat or a nerd trench coat it is a gray/black colonial style trench coat, and I where it causally not to stand out, I wear it just because it is warm...and because I look like someone from the 1700s. Anyway why do you see these people on movies now and they are trying to sneak around in a trench coat. I mean if you are sneaking in the shadows with a big trench coat on your easier to see with a trench coat trailing behind you. If you wanted to be next to invisable you would want to wear spandex because there is no "wake" where you move from the clothing trailing behind you. So why do they?

I suppose no one would think someone in spandex would look cool enough. Also in these movies they wear reflective black jump suits. The key word is reflective. If you are trying to sneak around in something that is reflective might as well where yellow.

Reptile · #44 02-11-2005, 03:40 AM

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Can you give us an explanation of why you've chosen that lifestyle? Perhaps if we understood you more then we would be more accepting, the world would be a better place and I wouldn't be single.

There's a bunch of reasons, the music influence of black metal plays a part, those dress Goth to represent Gothic music.

Or, individually, wanting to choose your own unique styles, so girls can ignore what glossy magazines tell them what to wear, instead choosing their own.

Or rebelling against society, being seperated from the crowd, easier to spot. Or even to represent Satan, but these goths are very rare, a 'la Marilyn Manson. Or just Goths are depressed, dressing in black and stuff to share with people the misery inside themselves. And finally, the Wannabe's. To tell you the truth, I fcuking hate wannabe's, they just dress to look cool, but fear the reaction of society, whereas real Goths don't give a toss about what society thinks or says.

I rest my case.

The Shadowman · #45 02-11-2005, 12:57 PM

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Or rebelling against society

Viva la Revolution!
"Give me liberty or give me death"

TheRaisin · #46 02-11-2005, 05:26 PM

Too bad the ones who really are trying to rebel are so indistinguishable from the wannabes and poseurs (unless you actually take the time to come to know them, which I don't). I just look for anything that looks like it came from Hot Topic. That's how I know they suck.

mawk · #47 02-11-2005, 06:07 PM

How could you like or dislike somebody simply because of how they look? I mean, if you have a phobia of their appearance, or find yourself repulsed by their ugliness, then you've got a legitimate reason to not like them. But otherwise there are so many factors to a person that you cannot possibly know about simply by looking at them. For instance:

-Personality.
-Accent.
-Sexuality. (bit of a grey area though)
-Interests.

The list goes on.

Ask yourself now, what have you ever gained by indentifying somebody as a goth?What does the name "goth" tell you other than roughly what someone might dress like?

I think you'll find your answer will be "nothing".

Wow you know that the person is a goth and therefore wears black, and might possibly like heavy metal. Hooray.

OANST · #48 02-12-2005, 06:55 AM

I think that they identify themselves that way. Not us.

TheRaisin · #49 02-12-2005, 08:57 AM

I agree whole-heartedly. And if that word wasn't hyphenated before, it is now, by god.

Rich · #50 02-12-2005, 09:07 AM

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I think that they identify themselves that way. Not us.

Definitely. The original Goths were all the stuff the posers want to be. But it's completely un-original. If you want to be an individual, wear a furry pink jumpsuit, not copy everyone else who's 'original' in the city.

OANST · #51 02-12-2005, 11:51 AM

I'm kind of an asshole and I don't really like anyone who has a "style". I think that people should just be. Not go out of there way to be something. And so I call upon the wrath of the wiccan tree gods who will scratch you with their branches. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA TAKE THAT YOU DIRTY BASTARDS! IT STINGS, DOESN'T IT? yOU MIGHT NEED SOME NEOSPORIN! HA! THE TREE GODS HAVE MADE YOU SPEND YOUR ILLGOTTEN CORPORATE GAINS AT THE CONVENIENCE STORE AS WELL. TWO YUPPIES WITH ONE STONE! Okay. I'm sorry. I got a little carried away with my dumbass religion that is so obviously fake that even it's practitioners know down deep it isn't real.

Oddfan · #52 02-12-2005, 12:17 PM

I voted weird scary freaks just because well they are but I like weird scary freaks so I had trouble deciding between that and cool rockers haha, afterall I'm a weird scary freak myself.... but I'm not gothic but oh well.

Joe the Intern · #53 02-12-2005, 06:00 PM

Clothes don't represent anything. If you wear a certain type of clothing to identify yourself or make known your feelings, you're a retard. If I want to know your feeling about something, I'll ****ing ask you. I don't want to see it. And if you wear different clothes to rebel against "society", take 'em off. The extent to which society affects you depends on the extent to which you involve yourself in it.

Voodoo Hand · #54 02-13-2005, 06:29 AM

Can someone define "GOTH" without the words trenchcoat, black, hair style, etc. etc?
What are these folks really about, aside from they have a certain "LOOK" that they use to distinguish them from the rest of the teeming masses ?

Leeum · #55 02-13-2005, 07:31 AM

Imho, being a goth has nothing at all to do with religion. Where i come from, we wouldn't call ourselves goths, it's what the chavs call us because we're different.

Rich · #56 02-13-2005, 07:47 AM

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Imho, being a goth has nothing at all to do with religion. Where i come from, we wouldn't call ourselves goths, it's what the chavs call us because we're different.

Lol. Chavs.

TheRaisin · #57 02-13-2005, 10:21 AM

Heh. Those chavs.

"Goth" is so general a term, I think it's impossible to give a definitive explanation of a goth without personal conceptions and prejudices getting in the way. From now on, let us think of Goths as an entirely different race. They are not united by any one set of religious beliefs, fashion, political/societal agenda, personal ideals, or anything of the sort. What makes them all goths is something much less tangible, something we may never be able to grasp. So let us set aside all preconceived notions. Goths are. They needn't be anything. They simply are.

Fuzzle Guy · #58 02-13-2005, 10:32 AM

I wouldn't be one, but I don't mind them, but that awful metal music!

Joe the Intern · #59 02-13-2005, 12:39 PM

Originally posted by TheRaisin:

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"Goth" is so general a term, I think it's impossible to give a definitive explanation of a goth without personal conceptions and prejudices getting in the way. From now on, let us think of Goths as an entirely different race. They are not united by any one set of religious beliefs, fashion, political/societal agenda, personal ideals, or anything of the sort. What makes them all goths is something much less tangible, something we may never be able to grasp. So let us set aside all preconceived notions. Goths are. They needn't be anything. They simply are.

Hahahahahaha... Wowie Zowie.

TheRaisin · #60 02-13-2005, 07:14 PM

Yeah. Feelin' a little funky when I wrote that.

My point is that a goth cannot be defined definitively because there are so many types of goths. I guess I could have put that into fewer words . . .