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Jacob · #61 05-04-2004, 11:20 AM

'You are very weird. Why do you even try? Animal testing will always exist. You're just wasting your time and looking like a radical nut at the same time. Wow.'

Lol, well that's the pot calling the Kettle black. I say something along those lines to you [concerning Religion of course] and suddenly you're all "Oh, but i'm right. Yeh, i am, i know i am. Yeh, i'm not a radical...no, i just know the truth." and then you go and ridicule somebody elses belief. I'm thinking of a word right now, it ends with 'critical' and begins with a large, rounded animal mainly found in Africa...that's not an Elephant.

And i don't see why everybody is saying he's a wacko and shtuffs. Okay, so he supports PETA, big deal? So what that he's actually bothered to take the time to do some research. We are a modern society and we should at least look into new methods of medical research, especially since animals are so far apart from humans. I still think we should experiment on Paedophiles and people on death row etc.

But to all the people mocking him and ridiculing him, i suggest you look at your own beliefs first before you criticise others. Especially if they're alot less believable than his, which lets face it, they are.

oddguy · #62 05-04-2004, 12:34 PM

PETA is a violent radical group that has ties to terrorist activity and promotes violence to humans that test on animals. I love and respect animals, but I don't take it to extremes. Sure, I'd love for alternatives to animal testing to be found, but realistically it won't happen. Maybe in the far future...maybe.

Now, I happen to be religious. Do I support violent groups? No. PETA sure does and the evidence is open to those with a clear thinking mind. Christ's focus was on loving one another and being a good person. Following someone like that doesn't make me crazy at all. Now, I am am guilty of not respecting someone eles's belief system and I appologize. Here's what is wrong though. Trying to prevent violence by causing it is not the way. PETA does this. They are also very pushy in trying to convince others to think their way. Jacob, of all people I know you HATE groups that impose their way of thinking upon others.

Some Christian groups are guilty of this as well. Religions can be pushy and I'm disgusted by that. I'm also disgusted by people commiting crimes because 'God told them to do it.' Thou shall not kill! Hello?!

Everyone is right in their own mind, so Jacob..to yourself, you are right. Mudokon is right in his own mind. I am right as well. Everyone just go on with your ways and I won't bug you. I appologize for insulting you mudokon. And anyone else I have insulted, may I appologize to you as well. I'm not perfect, but I try.

-oddguy

Jacob · #63 05-04-2004, 01:09 PM

'Trying to prevent violence by causing it is not the way.'

Technically that's how the Suffragettes won a vote for the female population. They were called radicals and extremists. They were called dangerous and out of their mind. But they changed the future for the better.

Now, i'm not saying i support everything the PETA does. But they have a valid point. Yeh, they are a bit crazed and yes, we all would be a bit f*cked if we didn't test on animals but at the end of the day they're really not doing anybody else any major harm, are they?

It seems to me the PETA resemble Christians on a certain standpoint. Whereas PETA protest about the killing of animals and how inhumane it is and such. Showing violent images and video footage and attacking people who work there. Certain Christians dictate that Abortion is wrong. They say its murder and show foul footage of Foetus' and such like. Hanging around outside Abortion clinics, taking photographs of women who are, not only immensly stressed, but going to get Abortions. And it's not unheard of to see a Christian attacking an Abortion clinic Surgeon.

'Jacob, of all people I know you HATE groups that impose their way of thinking upon others.'

Yeh, i dislike it. And i think PETA bascially exploit tortured animals for their own means, much like the medical staff who work on them. But i also think it's completly out of order to call somebody weird when they are defending a modern day issue that is with us everyday. And then say they have gone over the top when they display their knowledge of research [not you, but some other random person i think].

'When anti-hyperactivity drugs were tested in cats and dogs, it made them over-hyper and excited.'

That's just one drug though. Animals have helped medical sciences. Cholera for instance. That was cured because of Chickens. Those lil' rascals.

''animal testing help science'-search up the Lord Dowding Fund-they are one of the largest pharmaceutical groups and do NOT test on animals'

Yeh, but maybe, because they are the largest pharmaceutical company, is the reason why they don't need to use animals. Maybe if the other groups got enough money they'd be able to buy technology that would mean they didn't have to experiment on animals. But the way your animal rights groups are going, your costing them more money and thus hindering your cause.

I do feel though that until you get somebody independant saying something, you can't believe it. Mainly because propaganda will probably be used by both sides.

oddguy · #64 05-04-2004, 01:31 PM

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Certain Christians dictate that Abortion is wrong. They say its murder and show foul footage of Foetus' and such like. Hanging around outside Abortion clinics, taking photographs of women who are, not only immensly stressed, but going to get Abortions. And it's not unheard of to see a Christian attacking an Abortion clinic Surgeon.

I'm glad you say 'Certain Christians,' because I for one don't protest outside of abortian clinics. I believe that people have the right to do whatever they like, even if I disagree...I'm going to let people make their own descisions. There have been cases of radical Christians attacking abortion clinics and even abortian doctors. Violence is what Jesus himself was very much against. I don't know how anybody could say they're a Christian and act out viloence against another human being.

-oddguy

Havoc · #65 05-04-2004, 10:07 PM

I havnt been following this topic realy close, but I read it quike and saw a lot of stuff about when to agree and when not to.

Animal testing in general is wrong. For cosmetics and (depending on) science. Cuz whats science exactly? Testing new kinds of steroids on animals is cruel, testing medicine against aids and cancer is good. But on the other side the animals should have a normal place to life in. Not a 1 by 1 cage.

mudokon · #66 05-06-2004, 07:35 AM

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PETA is a violent radical group that has ties to terrorist activity and promotes violence to humans that test on animals. I love and respect animals, but I don't take it to extremes. Sure, I'd love for alternatives to animal testing to be found, but realistically it won't happen. Maybe in the far future...maybe.

Now, I happen to be religious. Do I support violent groups? No. PETA sure does and the evidence is open to those with a clear thinking mind. Christ's focus was on loving one another and being a good person. Following someone like that doesn't make me crazy at all. Now, I am am guilty of not respecting someone eles's belief system and I appologize. Here's what is wrong though. Trying to prevent violence by causing it is not the way. PETA does this. They are also very pushy in trying to convince others to think their way. Jacob, of all people I know you HATE groups that impose their way of thinking upon others.

Some Christian groups are guilty of this as well. Religions can be pushy and I'm disgusted by that. I'm also disgusted by people commiting crimes because 'God told them to do it.' Thou shall not kill! Hello?!

Everyone is right in their own mind, so Jacob..to yourself, you are right. Mudokon is right in his own mind. I am right as well. Everyone just go on with your ways and I won't bug you. I appologize for insulting you mudokon. And anyone else I have insulted, may I appologize to you as well. I'm not perfect, but I try.

-oddguy

PETA creates violence because it has been around for 25 years and has created a difference. Huntingdon and Elan are not cooperating and will soon be finished and Huntingdon does the testing for most of the products you use today becasue the supplier company actually deosn't want to do it themselves-why is that? because they find it distressing, wrong, unethical, cruel? These comapnies use Huntingdon; Procter and Gamble, Fructis, garnier, Neutrogena, Clarins, Fashion Fair, Shiseido, L'oreal pretty much most brands for household cleaners, cosmetics and etc...Tesco (own brand), Co-op(own Brand) and Sainsbury's(own brand) are all agains animal testing and operate FCOD licenses so they are safe.

oddguy · #67 05-06-2004, 11:34 AM

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PETA creates violence because it has been around for 25 years and has created a difference.

So you admit to being a part of an orginization that is violent?

I respect other's beliefs, but I for one would not support PETA...ever.

-oddguy

Fuzzles! · #68 05-07-2004, 07:29 AM

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So you admit to being a part of an orginization that is violent?

I respect other's beliefs, but I for one would not support PETA...ever.

-oddguy

Same here oddguy, they are extremists, over-the-top radicals who lose site of the importance of humans in their quest to protect animals. Not cool.

mudokon · #69 05-08-2004, 09:36 AM

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Same here oddguy, they are extremists, over-the-top radicals who lose site of the importance of humans in their quest to protect animals. Not cool.

Oh, put a sock in it. Who said humans are more important than animals. If we were all put on this Earth together then maybe we are all equal. Humans are no more important than animals. At the end of the day, animals have been here for hundreds of millions of years more than us and compared to the time they've spent on this Earth, us humans haven't even been here for a second. HUMANS AND ANIMALS ARE EQUAL...NONE IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE OTHER!

Fez · #70 05-08-2004, 09:39 AM

Well technically Humans and Animals arnt equal, Animals cant vote.

Jacob · #71 05-09-2004, 04:23 AM

And to carry on from Ferill's oh-so-good point(!)

'HUMANS AND ANIMALS ARE EQUAL...NONE IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE OTHER!'

No animal is equal to the other. The Worm is unequal to the Bird. The Bird unequal to the Cat. The Cat to the Dog. And the Dog, well, to the Koreans and Chinese. If a Tiger had the Brain capacity and the means, he/she would probably create contraptions to help it with civilisation. That's what we're doing. Although i still think that Paedophiles should be used instead of Animals.

DeBulletDodger · #72 05-09-2004, 06:10 AM

Put it this way at least the natural world has balance.

mudokon · #73 05-09-2004, 07:02 AM

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Put it this way at least the natural world has balance.

Wow! What a funny joke! The world has balance? That's strange...so I suppose that is why we have nearly extinct species, extinct species, animal conservation and nature conservation units. Do research before you say rubbish!

DeBulletDodger · #74 05-09-2004, 07:39 AM

Yes all of which is caused by us I assure you I do my research.

ANN NEELY · #75 05-30-2004, 02:29 PM

Ugh, man thats nasty...

It's more than that. It's sick and wrong!
It's cruel! It's like people think that animals don't have feelings! They can feel pain as much as any human can!

mitsur · #76 02-07-2006, 05:09 PM

That is idiotic. Why would scientists do that to poor animals? It's inhumane, and they should be fired. The part about them 'loving the animals they expiriment on' is total bull.

Subject them to what they did to the animals, and see how quick they call out for a change in procedure.

EDIT: Woo! 900th post!

Kimon · #77 02-07-2006, 05:29 PM

Way to Necro from almost two years ago.

mitsur · #78 02-07-2006, 05:35 PM

Oh crap, it was that old? Sorry about that, I was reading who was online, and a guest was reading it, so I looked at it out of curiosity, and the stuff was so bad I couldn't not post.

I apologise for this, everybody. Stupid of me to do this.

Dipstikk · #79 02-07-2006, 05:51 PM

Wait, don't apologise! This could spark some meaningful discussion. This was a good thread in its day.

Kimon · #80 02-07-2006, 05:54 PM

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Oh crap, it was that old? Sorry about that, I was reading who was online, and a guest was reading it, so I looked at it out of curiosity, and the stuff was so bad I couldn't not post.

I apologise for this, everybody. Stupid of me to do this.

No worries. I suppose we could try to bring it back.

Ummm... don't torture puppies? I didn't really read much of this thread.

used:) · #81 02-07-2006, 06:40 PM

No. Torturing. Puppies.

Dark Elite_H2 · #82 02-08-2006, 02:44 AM

Oh my god...
Those people...
I hope they got their just desserts, the bastards.
That's so cruel, the poor things.

Havoc · #83 02-08-2006, 02:52 AM

I can't realy see the use in having a frog with electrodes in it's head, except when it will escape and leave a trail of disaster (:P). Neither can I see the use in stitching a monkey's eyes shut or anything (jeez, now we know where Lorne got his inspiration from XD).
However, animal testing has multiple levels. Like I said earlier in this threat, testing medications on animals is fine with me. Testing shampoo and cosmetics though is downright stupid.

But in the end I guess it comes down to: They either test it on humans or animals. And even if people volunteered for testing, then that would 'not be ethical' and we'd get this endless loop.

PETA, ALF and all these other extremist animal movements are no better then terrorist groups. ALF is the worst of them all, having a grand total of millions of dollars of damage on their name.
And PETA is simply a bunch of mental f*cktards thinking they know what they are doing while they don't know anything about the animals they are trying to save. Someone should bomb these peoples HQ's...
Bush should use that army of his (or whats left of it) in a good way...

LoboDiabloLoneWolf · #84 02-08-2006, 03:29 AM

Animal Rights thread, haven't seen one of these in a while...

Okay, first, those pictures were sick and wrong and whoever did that too those poor critters should either (1) have it done to them, see how they like it or (2) be shot...then fired... Because that's just wrong, how the heck is it helping science? It isn't basically.

Testing on animals is a kind of delicate issue, I mean, I don't particularly like it, but as loads of others have said; testing for medicine that will save lives is a good thing (of course then the world gets over-populated because people aren't dying anymore... random observation there) But testing for cosmetics is a load of cock'n'bull.

Then again the radicals of Animal Rights aren't exactly giving themselves a decent rep, violence, deaths threats, attacking breeds of lab animals instead of the scientists... and just taking things too far.

For example, was it PETA who relased all the mink at this mink farm in the UK? Because that was one of the stupidest things they could have done, simply because of the fact that because they did that, the population of the considerably rarer water-rat (and some others I can't remember now - might have been otters but don't quote me) went down because of the sudden boom of mink in the area. So, in a nutshell the animal activists killed off a load of endangered animals by realesing the mink...not a smart move really...

Dark Elite_H2 · #85 02-08-2006, 08:43 AM

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Animal Rights thread, haven't seen one of these in a while...

Okay, first, those pictures were sick and wrong and whoever did that too those poor critters should either (1) have it done to them, see how they like it or (2) be shot...then fired... Because that's just wrong, how the heck is it helping science? It isn't basically.

BAH!
Have it done to them I agree with, and so do Havoc with the army deal.
Put them on the electric chair. Do the death sentence! Sure, you can test on animals for medicines, but just for cosmetics and just because they want to!?
That's sick. Makes me so angry.

And yet...the poor critters whom had to put up with the ordeal they were put in. Aw, the poor things...

Fuzzleman54321 · #86 02-16-2006, 08:07 AM

That is just....wrong.

Animal Testing is wrong. It kills, Humilates, and tortures animals, just for Human Benifits. Animals have rights, not to be treated like that. The effect of these experiments limits all animals. It destroys their nature, and everything they lived for. This leaves them devistated, and if the experiment dosent work and the animal is killed, humans just think "Oh well, chuck the carcess in the bin and get another animal. Things like this kill them. It killed them. They killed them.

Fuzzle Guy · #87 02-16-2006, 08:27 AM

Thats awful. what kind of sick and demented wierdos would do such a thing?

Fuzzleman54321 · #88 02-16-2006, 08:43 AM

Scientists. They say it's for research, but they only REALLY do it for the money. Greedy Basterds.

***Nate*** · #89 02-16-2006, 10:51 AM

Except that for some of these things you'd have to question where the profit is (I'm not going to skim back through those pictures to give an example). I think a lot of it is scientists thinking "I wonder if I can do this..."

Kimon · #90 02-16-2006, 01:42 PM

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Scientists. They say it's for research, but they only REALLY do it for the money. Greedy Basterds.

I'm sorry, but how the **** do you know that? Have you ever considered that the people who do this, umm, don't want to? That maybe they have a family to support? You can't automatically assume that a person who does sick things like this is a horrible person, because let me tell you, if it was a choice of my family living or dying, I'd some sick shit too.

I'm not agreeing with what they do. I'm just saying.