Ok, so I know I'm gonna catch hell for this.....

[Steel Shark]

Rettick, Rettick, Rettick..... My how you contradict yourself. You speak with no clear thought process in this case.

Here is the contradiction: You stated that you believe the XBOX will fail. You also stated you dont really care about consoles, this is all true am I correct? Well if you don't really care about consoles and you believe with all your infinite wisdom on all that is XBOX that it will fail ......... Why oh why would you buy one "IF" you had the money? Why buy something you think will fail? It makes no sense, sorry but true. And why knock something such as you have when "IF" you had the money you would buy yourself, it all is senseless.

Someone started this topic with a negative thought on Oddworld, others such as yourself chimed in with more negativity, so I will not and have not stepped back. I have a voice, a voice of reason, I "have" my reasons for loving XBOX, it has already shown me it will prosper in so many ways, first hand. XBOX was attacked, I for one will not turn my other cheek, I will strike back, when I believe in something I'm just that way, very passionate and with great intensity.

To me this was a console war for others, I have no hatred towards other consoles, I love them. I own them. I just have defended the Oddworld creative talent in this post and XBOX. I have substance in what I say due to being lucky enough to have seen and playtested everything in the pipeline, I am un-biased in my predictions, I just call it like I see it.

And Dragadoon you should care for XBOX succeeding, it will give you and many people lots of entertainment and fun for many years, where is your passion. If you don't care for it fine, but please hope it does make it for the people whom "DO" care.

Rettick you say you don't care about consoles and that XBOX will be a failure, and then a sentence later you say you would own one if you could afford one. It makes no sense Rettick, I am just wasting my time with utter nonsense to be perfectly honest.

I hope things get better for you and that you do actually get an XBOX and that someday you can look back on this and laugh to yourself thinking how you could ever have thought this machine could fail.

[Sl'askia]

*flies back in and lands with a thud* Sorry wasn't thinking clearly, I had just woken up when I typed that post. Prehaps I should explain...
Yes SS I do care that the X-Box will succeed for those that believe in it. And if it does, I might just as well get one myself.
Basically the reason for first three sentences are explained in the second to the last one. I am fed up and the reason is simple. Because I know that no matter how many facts are thrown, how many names are called, etc. there will be people who will stubbornly stand by what they believe in. The pro X-Box, the pro PS2, etc. Then you have what I call the 'true neutrals' which is what I am. There is very little that provokes me one way or another. It takes a lot to get me angry or to make me sad. The reason is the same as why the sky is blue and the grass is green: it just is...and therefore I'm just am.
I have watched this debate (and others), occassionally putting in my piece when I felt it approprate. A lot of the times I just shake my head at the stubborness of some ppl who just can't see that they are not getting anywhere with the debate. Debates like whether the X-Box will fail or not, whether Harry Potter is the work of the devil, whether eating meat is moral, etc are truly pointless to me...as no one can win them.

So I ask you...all of you...before you hit that 'Reply' button, ask yourself this:
"What is the reason for this reply? What is the likelyhood of me proving the other wrong? Would I just be wasting my time?

my personal answers:
To add fuel to the fire of a pointless debate.
Not likely.
Most likely.

[Danny]

steel shark... it is clear that you have not been reading what i have typed...

when i said the xbox would fail, i meant that it would be unpopular. i also said [as you would have noticed had you read anyone else's posts] that the xbox was the best console there was. THAT is why i would buy one; because it is good. but it will also be unpopular, partly because of the price, and partly because people [NOT me, before you start flaming me for this] believe that Microsoft is attempting to monopolise the computer industry.

despite the fact that it will be very good, it will not be popular. i firmly believe that there is never any connection between what is good and what is popular, and the xbox will probably be a prime example, for the reasons i have already stated.

so, in answer to your questions:
1) i do not care because i can't afford any consoles, so the issue does not affect me
2) i would buy an xbox if i had the money because it is the best console around
3) i said it would fail because i believe that it will not be popular. i believe this because i have heard many people criticising the xbox recently, for the reasons i outlined above. i am NOT taking their word above yours, since you have already convinced me that the xbox will be a fantastic machine, but if they represent the majority, then, for obvious reasons, the xbox will not be popular.

i hope i have cleared this up for you, so you can now stop attacking me for something i haven't done.

[MunkyRS]

WHO CARES! AS LONG AS THE GAME IS GOOD I DONT CARE ABOUT THE SYSTEM DID YOU EVER THINK THAT JUST MAYBE THIS IS GETTING A LITLLE BIT TOO SERIOUS!? ITS JUST A GAME, ODD D@MNIT!

[Robbo]

So far I've heared about 3 games for X-box and 1 good 1 (M.O) The Ps2hasWipeeot fusion which more-or-less equals M.O for prestige. Then theres Metal Gear Solid ; Sons of Liberty. Gran Turismo 3 , which sold 5.3 million units in 5 hours! Then there's a whole lot of lesser but still good games. Silent Hill 2, Commandos 2, GTA 3, Timesplitters 2, Tekken 4, Mortal Kombat 4, Virtual Fighter 4, Aliens: colonial marines FF X... The list goes on and on. Yes, the X-box will have better graphics and more memory but at the end of the day its games that count and here the X-box is found lacking.

[Danny]

exactly.

Edit: Munchy typed his reply while I was typing mine, so I wasn't replying to him, I was replying to MunkyRS.

[ October 20, 2001: Message edited by: Rettick ]

[Robbo]

Huh.

[ October 22, 2001: Message edited by: Munchy ]

[Joe the Intern]

steel, buddy, this has been weighing on my mind. sure, you put up good points, but this attacking people and calling them ignorant and stuff has gone a little bit too far. im not tryin to be offensive, but these are other peoples beliefs.im behind the xbox 100%, and you know that, but lets try to keep this civil alright buddy?

[Danny]

hell, i didn't even express my beliefs, really, all i said was that i didn't care one way or another, and i still got flamed...

[PinkHaired Mudokon CWR]

Taking the bus is gravy! Well, sometimes it smells like butt.

[FuzzyFuzzle]

I'm definetly an XBOX fan, because while XBOX doesn't have as many "old favorites" as PS2 and Gamecube, it will have many amazing games. I think that the games will be able to take full advantage of the 'BOX's good points.
BTW Munchy, just to let you now there will be a Metal Gear Solid game on XBOX, and there's rumors that there'll be FF X and/or FF XI, and I think Timesplitters 2 is coming out on the 'BOX eventually...I hope so. I loved that game. Also when you say "XBOX has more memory", it's the ONLY console to have a hard drive, and it'll have an ethernet connection.

[ODDBODD]

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[Xavier]

ODDBODD are you ok ?

[Teal]

*beats Oddbodd's head on the desk* They'd just shut up in this one, why'd you have to bring the topic up again?!

*offers icepack*

[ October 24, 2001: Message edited by: Teal ]

[Crazy Vykker]

Unfortunatement the money is very important in our world., if OWI don´t have money = Byyyeeeee OWI..... nothing is going to pay their salaries.
I belive in Lorne, I think Lorne said us the truth and he don´t think only in the money and the change to Xbox is for the reasons he said. The proof of it is he, months before the change to Xbox, said the PS2 don´t would be capable to show Squeek Oddysee, perhaps Xbox can be.

P.D. The Lorne´s Penny arcade cartoons are great.!!!!!!!! If Lorne is like I think will laught a lot with them.

[ODDBODD]

*accepts teals ice pack and puts it into a glass of dr pepper given by sydman!*

THATS A GOOD FRIED STAPLER!