High Thread of Religious Vomit. -

Codek · #61 08-06-2003, 02:53 AM

Nobody understands the universe, and in truth, nobody needs to either.

And Khanz, I couldn't care less what Chris was doing, we were both just messing around and I don't ever remember mentioning your name, so just but out!

You get into other peoples business way, way too much. Not that I think that isn't justified, as this is a public forum, but you should still just ignore it, because it actually offends people when you make out that they are being serious when it is obvious to everyone else that they are simply joking. It makes them sound like they are stupid, and also looks like an attempt at a public mockery.

Don't do it again. *waves finger*

Al the Vykker · #62 08-06-2003, 02:57 AM

In my opinion, 70% of our actions are predetermined (fate), and 30% are our own choices. Although it could easily be reversed.

I will never believe that there is not someone out there looking over all of us, its like saying that life outside earth and in the rest of the universe is impossible. Someone started this universe and it was god.

Also I believe its people who turn their back on god, not the other way around.

Im now a fairly liberal catholic. I have my beliefs about things in my faith, and different interpretations on certain things in the church, beliefs, but I also respect most other religions too.

Sekto Springs · #63 08-06-2003, 02:59 AM

if you could come up with a name for a religion part satanic, part buddhist, and part technology worshipment then i would gladly pay my two bits

hows satechist, or budtechan

Codek · #64 08-06-2003, 03:07 AM

Fate is another way of saying "the outcome of our actions". If 30% of our actions control 70% of our other actions, that means that 70% of our actions are controlled by the consequences of 30% of our previous actions.

In other words, if you blow up a building, 70% of your following actions will be defined by events caused by 30% of the fact that you chose to blow up a building. This would probably because you couldn't predict what your situation would be the next time you have to make decitions.

For instance, there are some things that you HAVE to do. Things that you can't avoid doing, like walking, breathing, moving etc. These, by Al's theory, evidently make up 70% of what we do. The rest is chosen by us, and what the next 70% is, is defind by what the previous 30% was.

At least, that is my interperetation of his theory. These statistics may change depending on what we are doing, but probably stay relatively the same.

Sekto Springs · #65 08-06-2003, 03:14 AM

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Originally posted by Death
Fate is another way of saying "the outcome of our actions". If 30% of our actions control 70% of our other actions, that means that 70% of our actions are controlled by the consequences of 30% of our previous actions.

In other words, if you blow up a building, 70% of your following actions will be defined by events caused by 30% of the fact that you chose to blow up a building. This would probably because you couldn't predict what your situation would be the next time you have to make decitions.

For instance, there are some things that you HAVE to do. Things that you can't avoid doing, like walking, breathing, moving etc. These, by Al's theory, evidently make up 70% of what we do. The rest is chosen by us, and what the next 70% is, is defind by what the previous 30% was.

At least, that is my interperetation of his theory. These statistics may change depending on what we are doing, but probably stay relatively the same.

guzunheit

Codek · #66 08-06-2003, 03:22 AM

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Originally posted by sligslinger
guzunheit

I'm getting RSI of the mouth from laughing so hard.

***Alcar*** · #67 08-06-2003, 05:16 AM

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Originally posted by LuLu_Fund
Why is God referred to as "He" or "Him"? The term 'God' should have an exceptional reference.

God is a male. I'm not being sexist, either. Jesus was created in the image of God, thus God must be a male.

Though, I'd prefer God to be female. They are the stronger sex. Well, the ones that have a heart.

Alcar...

Canned Gabbiar · #68 08-06-2003, 06:48 AM

I'm non religious, but I'm not an atheist either.

But like Joshy, I came up with a religion for fun. Hoboism, and I'm the guy who writes the doctrine.

"[Hobo] Pueri in viam gaudebit, ubi [Grand Hobo] advenit. Ille ipse deinde duceris Laeti Hobi Terrae..." - HB2:09

Hehe just joking around

Codek · #69 08-06-2003, 12:34 PM

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Originally posted by Alcar
God is a male. I'm not being sexist, either. Jesus was created in the image of God, thus God must be a male.

Though, I'd prefer God to be female. They are the stronger sex. Well, the ones that have a heart.

Alcar...

Actually, niether sexes are stronger, which is why both of them are still here today.

God is niether male nor female, he is god. Man was made in the image of god, jesus is man, son of god. God wasn't made in the image of man, nor was god made a man. As much as a man could be made in the image of female.

In other words, man looks like god, but god isn't a man, he just looks like one.

But this is merely what the bible tells us, and the bible was written during times when patriarchal society ran rampant.

Al the Vykker · #70 08-06-2003, 01:18 PM

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Originally posted by Death
Fate is another way of saying "the outcome of our actions". If 30% of our actions control 70% of our other actions, that means that 70% of our actions are controlled by the consequences of 30% of our previous actions.

In other words, if you blow up a building, 70% of your following actions will be defined by events caused by 30% of the fact that you chose to blow up a building. This would probably because you couldn't predict what your situation would be the next time you have to make decitions.

For instance, there are some things that you HAVE to do. Things that you can't avoid doing, like walking, breathing, moving etc. These, by Al's theory, evidently make up 70% of what we do. The rest is chosen by us, and what the next 70% is, is defind by what the previous 30% was.

At least, that is my interperetation of his theory. These statistics may change depending on what we are doing, but probably stay relatively the same.

Your interpretatation is correct. Im glad someone was able to kind of decipher it, being I didnt really explain it in detail.

Hobo · #71 08-06-2003, 01:35 PM

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Originally posted by Canned Gabbiar
I'm non religious, but I'm not an atheist either.

But like Joshy, I came up with a religion for fun. Hoboism, and I'm the guy who writes the doctrine.

"[Hobo] Pueri in viam gaudebit, ubi [Grand Hobo] advenit. Ille ipse deinde duceris Laeti Hobi Terrae..." - HB2:09

Hehe just joking around

Cool, can I join. I'd be like some kind of Pope

Jacob · #72 08-06-2003, 03:44 PM

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I seriously get annoyed by all the trendy wiccans out there. Do you honestly believe that there is a half man half goat prancing around the woods protecting it?

Protecting "it"? Protecting what? And what you mean half man, half Goat? Are you referring to the depiction of Lucifer? Or one of those Fawn things? Or Leonard?

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Jesus was created in the image of God

Nobody knows what Jesus looks like. Early in the 18th Century (i do believe, may have been earlier or later) when the Church started doing the whole Stain-glass thing, Jesus was depicted with blonde hair, blue eyes and gorgeous, because he was Gods son and thus perfect. However, as time went on people said "But Jesus is cleansing us of all our sins, so shouldn't he be ugly, torn and un-pleasing to the eye?" so they started to change him. Back then you were said to be ugly if you had long hair and a beard, and thats the image that stuck.

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Actually, niether sexes are stronger, which is why both of them are still here today.

They only reason why they're here today is because they have a need for each other. Women could easily take over the world.

Codek · #73 08-06-2003, 04:11 PM

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Originally posted by Jacob
Protecting "it"? Protecting what? And what you mean half man, half Goat? Are you referring to the depiction of Lucifer? Or one of those Fawn things? Or Leonard?

No, protecting the wood. When someone makes a sentence, and puts an it at the end, the it can only be referring to previous topic.

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Nobody knows what Jesus looks like. Early in the 18th Century (i do believe, may have been earlier or later) when the Church started doing the whole Stain-glass thing, Jesus was depicted with blonde hair, blue eyes and gorgeous, because he was Gods son and thus perfect. However, as time went on people said "But Jesus is cleansing us of all our sins, so shouldn't he be ugly, torn and un-pleasing to the eye?" so they started to change him. Back then you were said to be ugly if you had long hair and a beard, and thats the image that stuck.

Did I ever say I knew what Jesus looks like? I just said he was made in the image of god, like any other man! He could have looked like anybody!

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They only reason why they're here today is because they have a need for each other. Women could easily take over the world.

Half right. Women wouldn't be able to take over the world, because their simply aren't enough of them in the armed forces, secret services, and other such national muscles. Female versus machine gun in other words. But even if they did take over the world, their victory would be flawed, for they would all die out within the next two or three generations. The same goes for men aswell.

To sum up:

Religion is a funny thing, and it is only when you question or debate your beleifs, that you can really find the true meaning of it.

Sekto Springs · #74 08-06-2003, 04:30 PM

if jesus looks like god, then god must be a woman

***Wil*** · #75 08-06-2003, 04:30 PM

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Originally posted by old and not so tasty
I hate to be the bearer of bad news but atheism is actually very stupid. Atheism is suposedly based on pure logic. They say that logically there is not a god. One of the main rules of logic however is that you can not prove a negative. You can't prove that something doesn't exist. Therefore by atheisms own belief system they are proved wrong. It is also just very close minded for people who are able to except the fact that there almost infinite possibilities in the universe.

Atheism doesn't need to be based on logic, just percieved logic. In an atheist's mind, it is logical that God cannot exist, for whatever reasons they give. It's exactly the same kind of personal logic on which religions are based on. For a Christian, it is logical that there is a God, for whatever reasons they give. If you're going to get as philosophic in saying you can't prove something doesn't exist, you can also so you can never truely prove that something (or anything) does exist. The only proof of God's existence, though, is personal and spiritual.

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God is a male. I'm not being sexist, either. Jesus was created in the image of God, thus God must be a male.

I take a metaphorical view of this. Mankind was based in God's image with reference to his goodness, kindness and whatnot, rather than to physical appearance.

TheKhanzumer · #76 08-06-2003, 05:51 PM

I will ignore you Death, because like I was, you were probably still joking around right? Actually you are probably right, so sorry.

Humans were made in God's own image meaning they have ability to make decisions and whatever they want to on the Earth. Animals do not have spirits , morals or beliefs while humans do. That is what the whole, "made in Gods own image" means.

And God is a spiritual being, so God is not a male or female. God is referred to as He simply for ease and to help us mortals think of him as a fatherly figure. But there is nothing wrong with referring to God as She, since in reality God is neither.

And Jesus probably looked like a normal middle eastern man. He probably wasn't all super pretty and hygenic hippyish. He was just and average looking guy, with an above average Father.

Jacob · #77 08-06-2003, 06:31 PM

To Death -
Women could charm men into doing their bidding and use their wyle ways to get what they want. They could also enslave the mankind race (the heterosexuals of course) and force them to work for them. They would also extract seamen from men (in the most painfullest way) and use that to impreganate themselves so they could survive. Of course, Homosexuals would be the Commanding Generals who conquered lands...

"Yay-Yay!! Charge and shtuffs!! Eww-Eww...mud and Brains, mud and Brains, all over my gorgeous shoes!!"

PinkHaired Mudokon CWR · #78 08-06-2003, 09:34 PM

Good point TheKhanzumer

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And Jesus probably looked like a normal middle eastern man. He probably wasn't all super pretty and hygenic hippyish. He was just and average looking guy, with an above average Father.

Yes, how the bible explained it, Jesus Christ was average looking, and he was born in a peasant family, why? Because people would only follow him for his looks, just like King David in the old testament.

Sekto Springs · #79 08-06-2003, 10:47 PM

jesus christ was made so pretty as we see him, the real christ was a not so swingin teen with lots of zits, he could never get a GF, and he wore those head thorns because his style was out of date! God this, Jesus that, Abraham hit me with a wiffle ball bat!

LuLu_Fund · #80 08-08-2003, 07:55 AM

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Originally posted by old and not so tasty
I hate to be the bearer of bad news but atheism is actually very stupid. Atheism is suposedly based on pure logic. They say that logically there is not a god. One of the main rules of logic however is that you can not prove a negative. You can't prove that something doesn't exist. Therefore by atheisms own belief system they are proved wrong. It is also just very close minded for people who are able to except the fact that there almost infinite possibilities in the universe.

I hate to be the bearer of bad BAD news but rules of logic does not mean can't prove a negative as in not prove God exists. God is not a negative in this case, he is an entity people claim exists. Hence The point is to prove he DOES exist. I can say the pink purple-people-eater rules the universe, if I'm so intent on this being the case people will need me to prove this is so for them to make sense of it. As you can see, there's no sign of a pink purple-people-eater ruling this planet, so I'm sure you find that hard to believe... unless you that open-minded to accept that kinda possibility.

And I'm still convinced God does not possess enough human likeness to be called "He" or "Him" because you are addressing some one, and they should really be addressed for who or what they truly are... after all,I think it was more Jesus's soul that was created in the likeness of God rather than anything related to his gender.

Sekto Springs · #81 08-11-2003, 09:29 AM

why did you bloddy mods delete my "god isn't fair debate" i beleive it was a lesson much needed, because quite frankly god isn't fair! ive never woken up as a millionaire with chicks at me disposal and a fancy car in my driveway!

SeaRex · #82 08-11-2003, 12:54 PM

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Originally posted by sligslinger
why did you bloddy mods delete my "god isn't fair debate" i beleive it was a lesson much needed, because quite frankly god isn't fair! ive never woken up as a millionaire with chicks at me disposal and a fancy car in my driveway!

I'm guessing the deleted because there are three friggin' religious threads already. Besides, you can post whatever in here just fine.

oddguy · #83 08-11-2003, 07:56 PM

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Originally posted by sligslinger
why did you bloddy mods delete my "god isn't fair debate" i beleive it was a lesson much needed, because quite frankly god isn't fair! ive never woken up as a millionaire with chicks at me disposal and a fancy car in my driveway!

And why would God do that if you don't even like the Guy?

Sekto Springs · #84 08-11-2003, 08:02 PM

i never said i didnt like him but he aint not fair! besides if he knew id like him if he did that...then he'd do it!

MrBoj · #85 08-12-2003, 12:41 AM

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Originally posted by Death

But who controls this? What is to say that a higher being isn't in charge of mother nature?

I certainly beleive so.

as do I. It's all very much the same, science and religion. Both try to find out who we are, and where we came from.

I don't care for the denominations, because what is the point? We are all on the same path here. You take a slight variation, you're still reaching the same destination. When those Christian sects were created they were mostly political anyway. I myself am Eastern Orthodox Christian.

***Alcar*** · #86 08-12-2003, 03:14 AM

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Originally posted by MrBoj
as do I. It's all very much the same, science and religion. Both try to find out who we are, and where we came from.

I don't care for the denominations, because what is the point? We are all on the same path here. You take a slight variation, you're still reaching the same destination. When those Christian sects were created they were mostly political anyway. I myself am Eastern Orthodox Christian.

Not so much political, it was more so greeg that drove people to create the different religions. I believe the only person who actually had a good intention in creating a denomination was Martin Luther, the founder of the Lutherans.

Alcar...

MrBoj · #87 08-12-2003, 09:55 AM

greed for what? money (duh) and political power. The anglican church was one of the biggest political moves under the guise of a "religious reformation" in Europe at the time.

Luther did have his religious reasons, obviously, but his new form of Christianity appealed to people because they would not be under the influence of the Pope, and not have to pay any taxes under his name or be under his control. And the ramifications of the Protestant Reformation were very political.....countries split and changed borders and what not.
Even the movment of Puritans from England to America was a poltical move.

But I suppose wealth was just as powerful a factor, too. (just like today with these people on TV claiming to be preaching the word of God. Yes, now you can pay your way into heaven. It totally defiles the basic meaning of Christianity)

OANST · #88 08-12-2003, 10:56 PM

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