A social question

[Adder]

Just a quick open question to everyone, and yes it is serious

If humans were "locked" after sex (i.e. The penis swells so much that you can't 'exit' for a few minutes after ejaculation), would young people (yes, and permisquous adults) have sex so casualy?

We all know that us teenagers are generaly impatient, but would we ignore this in the face of sex?

{Seriously, this ISN'T a joke. I'm realy interested in people's views on this}

[oddguy]

Ummmm, so you're asking that if we knew a guaranteed consquence were to occur right after sex...would we still have it casually? Well, I'm waiting 'till marriage, so would this apply to someone like me?

-oddguy

[Al the Vykker]

I think people are still going to do whatever they please. Look at all the negatives of drugs, yet teens still do all that stuff. Its really choice, if they want that good feeling even if it costs them their future, or problems down the road they are still going to do it, and also as a form of crying out, gaining attention, and rebelling.

I myself am probably going to wait until after I"m married to participate in that "special" hug.

[Adder]

Okay, I'm not saying "Would YOU have sex if.."
I'm saying "Do you think people who HAVE (under-aged/un-married) sex WOULD STILL HAVE IT IF..."

[oddguy]

"Do you think people who HAVE (under-aged/un-married) sex WOULD STILL HAVE IT IF..."

Totally. Like Al said, people ignore the consquences mainly because they're trying to please themselves and either they don't think about it...or they don't care. You hear percentages of what happens to people when they do X Y and Z, but that's what people think of it as...percentages. They don't take that info to heart. They think, "Eh, that'll never happen to me."

So, to aswer your Q...Yes, I think if that consequence was present, people would still participate in casual sex.

-oddguy

[Joshy]

We smoke and take alcohol, they have a bad consquence but we still do it.

[Armed Slig]

(i.e. The penis swells so much that you can't 'exit' for a few minutes after ejaculation)

Kinky. No, but... that'd suck.

[Al the Vykker]

In society there will always be people who will always deny the reality and state of things right now. I think a lot of teens just dont see past what they want to see. So yes, as I stated in my previous post, I think teens would still be engaging in it because its a minor complaint for them compared to their feeling of "ectasy" I guess. This is of course mere opinion from my own thoughts, and observations from how I see people act in general also.

[Statikk HDM]

You know how scary that is? What if you're hangover wore off and you really you were NOT screwing a ten but some beast that doesn't even register on the Hot chart(tm.) Or what if your dick didn't stop swelling for hours and somebody busted in on you? And jerking of would be really uncomfortable, you'd have a gigantic would for almost an hour and no amount of sweatpants and geometry books is going to hide the fact. And how would you pry yourself free? Get some warm water and k-y jelly?

[oddguy]

That's the point I'm getting at. That sounds really scary, but modern soceity doesn't usually think into consequence. They want something that makes them feel good and don't think to much into the cons...just the pros. Also, Adder makes this theory sound like it's a natural occurence in everyday life.So, if everybody was used to that,(penis swelling and...yeah)sex would still be casual. For adults...and teens.

-oddguy

[Adder]

Yeah, I guess day-to-day relationship sex will stay.
Here's the next part though: What about one-night-stands and, of course , prostetution?

[Fez]

its wrong, who ever does that really needs to find someone...

[Jacob]

I don't think its the fact that we feel to 'rebel' or other shtuffs, but at the end of the day you have to realise that Religion isn't a big thing in modern day society [in England anyway] and thus people aren't going to be all "Oh, well, i'll go to Hell if i did X, Y and Z so i'd better wait for yada-yada-yada.". Instead teens and others believe that we only live once, and nothing is on the otherside, and thus all they want to do is live life to the full, and i'm in full support of that. I saw a documentry about Texas and how they have that 'No sex pledge' thing until after you get married and that made me feel sick to the stomach, the fact you're starving people from what they have a right to do just because of a theory of what happens after death. Its wrong. Teens are beginning to become sexually mature at an earlier age and somebody scaring them into rejecting what comes naturally is morally wrong. You don't see people forcing you not to urinate. Or defacate. So why stop them from fornication!? I feel sorry for American kids, especially the one's who live in a state thats part of the Bible-belt. Its cruel.

And to answer Adders question - yes. I think people should do whatever makes them happy, so long as it doesn't harm anyone/thing. And most of society does that - thankfully all the fuddy-duddy's and all people who are "Alkohol hurts you" etc etc are dying off. Yeh, it hurts you, but we only live once. Chances are a 17 year old teen in England could drop dead tomorrow and he/she's already done stuff that they had planned to do [maybe not have a family, have their own home, job etc. But sex, drugs, drink, have fun etc] and thus may not have any regrets on not doing shtuffs. But an American teen will drop dead tomorrow and they will have wasted the best years of their life...

[Statikk HDM]

I wouldn't mind a one night stand. Hell, I'd take one over a night with a ho any day. Because at least it's free and the chick doesn't have VD.

[oddguy]

Replying to Jacob...

Living life to the fullest is fine for some people...until they get an STD, or Aids. The truth is, consequences are out there, and if you're irresponsible...you might be part of that percentage that contracts an STD. Then what?

I'm going to wait to have sex until marriage; not just because of the risks out there, but because I want to dedicate myself to my future wife. I'd feel like some kind of animal if I just had one night stands all the time. I believe sex is something special shared between a Man and a Women when they're married. It's something you share with your true love. It loses value when it's something you do all the time with random people. Also, just because you're attracted to someone doesn't mean you just have to jump straight to the sex as if that's the only thing they have to offer. How barbaric! [prehistoric caveman voice] Me like woman...must have sex with her right away! [/prehistoric caveman voice] Women have qualities to share other than sexuality. That's how I see the world. I have respect.

-oddguy

[Codek]

I think people are still going to do whatever they please. Look at all the negatives of drugs, yet teens still do all that stuff. Its really choice, if they want that good feeling even if it costs them their future, or problems down the road they are still going to do it, and also as a form of crying out, gaining attention, and rebelling.

I myself am probably going to wait until after I"m married to participate in that "special" hug.

That's part of the problem with this rebellion that's being sold to kids these days. They are selling an image of doing drugs and screwing women. The clothes, the lifestyle, the music, the TV. It's all total grabage, but it's cool garbage.

So yes, they would do it, because it would impress all their friends. It's cool to be a drug addict.

One ****ed up world.

[Majic]

I've heard nothing of a no sex pledge in Texas... Nor have I seen any real Bible Belt influence much. Or is Texas in that... Hell, I don't know. All I know is that that documentary is bullshit of the purest quality, much similar to the new McDonalds commercials.

[Statikk HDM]

The Mcdonald's commercials are nothing compared to KFC's! Fried chicken is a health food; what next, smoking is good for your lungs? I know exactly what Death means. Rap music used to be hardcore and have a real messge. Now its nothing but pimps and hos. And rock music has turned into nothing but a weak, tired sound with the trite message of "Fark society, I hate my parents" whiny shit that I can't stand. Also, it doesn't really matter what happens after sex, people are going toscrew like apes in heat. Because I'm convinced thats what most of them are. If people had to get their pinkys amputated after doing the nasty, people would be ashamed to have ten fingers. What can I say, America is insane.

[Jacob]

'If people had to get their pinkys amputated after doing the nasty, people would be ashamed to have ten fingers.'

That would have made sense, if it wasn't so full of sh*t...

'until they get an STD, or Aids.'

Have you not heard of protection?

'I'd feel like some kind of animal if I just had one night stands all the time.'

I agree, but we're discussing teens that go out with each other and a couple of weeks/months in the relationship decide to take it to the next level. I think that is perfectly fine, whereas you condemn them for it.

'It loses value when it's something you do all the time with random people.'

I don't know what your family has educated you with, but thats not the way it works. Sure, you may get the odd teen who sleeps around without protection and fine, its their own fault when they contract something. But i'm talking about teens who will get into a relationship and when they feel ready will have sex. Nothing about random people.

'Also, just because you're attracted to someone doesn't mean you just have to jump straight to the sex as if that's the only thing they have to offer. How barbaric!'

I agree, but again, that is not how it works. The majority of teens will only sleep with somebody they feel comfortable with and they genuinely like, if not love. You seem to have been educated by a biased person who has filled your head with "People who have sex outside of marriage are no better than animals...blah...blah...blah.".

'Women have qualities to share other than sexuality. That's how I see the world. I have respect.'

So does everybody else. They just realise that a part of a healthy relationship is a good sex life. I know you will probably never realise this and you won't even acknowledge this because of your belief but at the end of the day you are wasting your life. And its woeful. If you dropped dead tomorrow you will have died a very sad individual. And just imagine that there is no God, can you really say that you are happy with what you have wasted. I bet in 50 years time if somebody told you there was no God [and gave hard proof] and then said to you "Now, i can give you a choice. You can go on living your wasted life now, or, i can take you back to when you were a baby and you can make new choices knowing what you know now." i bet you'd take the latter choice. Don't argue with "But there is a God, i've spoken to him etc" because thats not the argument. We're being theoretical. You would take the latter choice and think for yourself and live a fuller, happier life for it. You won't even experience getting drunk with a group of friends, i so pity you for that.

On the topic of contraception i've just remembered that Christian contraception is different to non-overly-religious-peoples contraception. As in, we actually use Condoms etc and Christians use the biological clock, so yes, with Christians there is a real risk. Which is just another fact that goes against being Christian. And any religion for that matter [bar the minorities], it shortens the joy in life.

[Adder]

Right.

The collective responce to this question has been: No

I've posted it on three forums and one has already been closed (it has a lot of young members. Should have thought about it more before posting). Everywhere says either "people will have sex" or "I haven't had/won't have casual sex"

Oh well... at least I learned a little more about society, which is what this was all about.

Any more replys/views on this are encouraged. Don't think this thread is over. I'm sure many may still want to give their view.
(Now to think of another social question)

[oddguy]

Have you not heard of protection?

Yes I have. Also, have you heard that they DO NOT ALWAYS protect against STD's. Wise up.

I agree, but we're discussing teens that go out with each other and a couple of weeks/months in the relationship decide to take it to the next level. I think that is perfectly fine, whereas you condemn them for it.

Okay, we all know highschool romances don't last. What happens when you have sex with someone you think you're in love with at the time, then you leave them later on? You just lost your virginity to a person that's not spending the rest of their life with you. Plus, most teens are always making mistakes and hardly know what's best for themselves.

The majority of teens will only sleep with somebody they feel comfortable with and they genuinely like, if not love. You seem to have been educated by a biased person who has filled your head with "People who have sex outside of marriage are no better than animals...blah...blah...blah.".

Ummmm, remember that these teen relationships you're talking about are only temporary. And, I actually think for myself. Nobody fills my mind with "blah blah blah" as you say. If I let people think for me, I'd be doing what the majority of the world does...sleeping around, drinking, doing drugs. You tell me I'm the follower? Please! The wool is pulled so far over your eyes you think you have this great thing when you're actually doing what everybody else does to be cool. Some life you have.

So does everybody else. They just realise that a part of a healthy relationship is a good sex life. I know you will probably never realise this and you won't even acknowledge this because of your belief but at the end of the day you are wasting your life. And its woeful. If you dropped dead tomorrow you will have died a very sad individual. And just imagine that there is no God, can you really say that you are happy with what you have wasted. I bet in 50 years time if somebody told you there was no God [and gave hard proof] and then said to you "Now, i can give you a choice. You can go on living your wasted life now, or, i can take you back to when you were a baby and you can make new choices knowing what you know now." i bet you'd take the latter choice. Don't argue with "But there is a God, i've spoken to him etc" because thats not the argument. We're being theoretical. You would take the latter choice and think for yourself and live a fuller, happier life for it. You won't even experience getting drunk with a group of friends, i so pity you for that.

No my friend, you're the sad one. You asked me what I would say if there is no God. Well, for one, there is no way you can prove that. But, even if there was no God, I wouldn't feel my life was wasted. I would feel that I was a good person that didn't conform to everyone else's way of thinking just to be trendy.

Now, let me ask you a Q. Think for a moment that you die. You are met by God in the Heavens. You realize that you have wasted your life and you begin to weep at what you've done to yourself. God is weeping as well, because He loves you. "Give me another chance," you say. God tells you that he allready gave you many choices on earth and names one by one each time you rejected a chance to know Him. You begin to weep even harder. God says, "You have chosen your master and it is not Me." Just as he says this, you are fallen from the presence of Heaven and God.

Now, I don't know what God will say to you when you die, but don't let it be what you just read. You can change your life...right now. I'm not here to be your enemy. I just ask you to consider that God is real and what He can do for you.

Now, I'm not normally this preachy, but you seem to always attack my beliefs. In return, I just want to help you.

-oddguy

[Codek]

Riiiight.

I think we should just close this thread now to avoid the fight that is just about to start.

Adder got what he wanted to know. This thread has served it's purpose, and may now cause a problem, therefore it's closure is fully justified.

*whistles*

[oddguy]

Yeah, go ahead and close it. I said what I wanted to say.

-oddguy

[Al the Vykker]

Well, everyone is entitled to their opinion and I think we should try and respect that. But I do sense a fight brewing.

Basically, to sum up, you are always going to have people who want to do something viewed as "cool" or mimic what they see in the world around them and in the media, so I always think there are going to be those people who will do the opposite of whats recommended, and try and be different. Thats all well and good, but one must also think about the consequences, and the fact that they aren't always protected against every known effect on themselves. No matter what precautions they take.

[oddguy]

Hey, starting a fight is the last thing I want to do!I just stand up for myself...that's all. Jacob challenges me...I respond. Of course, this has happened many times before...a disagreement between me and Jacob. Anyway, I just hate when religion debate has to ruin a thread.

Any more replys/views on this are encouraged. Don't think this thread is over. I'm sure many may still want to give their view.
(Now to think of another social question)

I don't think the thread should be closed. Obviously this thread isn't done. Adder wants to keep it going, so it would suck if he came back to find the thread he started closed done for reasons beyond his control.

So, the point I'm making is...

Jacob and I have a tendancy to get on religious debates in threads not about religion and it gets, well...annoying. This is what I propose.

Jacob, how about we just forget this religion debate thing? I know I can't change your opinion...you can't change mine either. So...what's the point I ask? I call a truce. When it comes to debate on God...lets just forget about it. Okay?

Hopefully this problem is solved. Go back to what you were doing kids!
On another note, I hope nobody here is mad at me.

-oddguy

[Al the Vykker]

Really, I doubt anybodys mad at you Oddguy. They are just merely challenging you in a debate.

Religious debates can be very interesting, but also very harsh, and full of much anger, or passion. So you just have to watch out and see what happens when your involved in one.

[GrigtheSlig]

I find religion debates to be pointless and very annoying. It's not like you sway anyone to your way of belief, you just get everyone pissed at everyone else... No point at all.

[Jacob]

I don't see how this is turning into a Religious debate, the majority of mine and Oddguys disagreement in this topic is whether people follow a "trend", which i agree is what some teens do, or whether they do something when they feel ready. Fine, most teens have experimented with Drugs. And yes, most teens have got drunk. And okay, fine, they may have done the past shtuffs due to peer pressure. I know teens that have had sex with a random person just to lose their virginity and that, to me, is sad and pathetic. However, these teens are usually in a social group that is not only immature but full of social scum that deserve to be napalmed. I'm in a group were nobody cares who's a virgin and who isn't, but then again i'm in England and the way we go about things is completly different to the way America/Americans go about things.

'Also, have you heard that they DO NOT ALWAYS protect against STD's. Wise up.'

Okay, let me put it this way. Using protection AND knowing your partner hasn't got anything. Beit taking them down to the nearest STD clinic and getting them checked or whatever, that way, you don't get pregnant AND you don't get STD's.

'(1)What happens when you have sex with someone you think you're in love with at the time, then you leave them later on? (2)You just lost your virginity to a person that's not spending the rest of their life with you. (3)Plus, most teens are always making mistakes and hardly know what's best for themselves.'

(1) - In my opinion there is no such thing as the ultimate 'true' love. And so if you think you're in love and you have been with that person for a long time and it feels right to move on to the next "stage" of the relationship, then i think you should go for it. Otherwise with every person you love you'll be thinking "Oh, but i might find somebody else and my love for them may be stronger." etc. If it feels right, go for it. Even if you do break up later on in life then atleast you have done something with somebody you considered special.

(2) - I don't see why thats such a big deal. Part of life is making mistakes and learning from them. Its also learning new experiences and having new experiences. Sex is an experience and it should be done with people you love, whether that love lasts or not.

(3) - Part of life is making mistakes. And you seem to be talking about one social group whereas i'm talking about another. I agree with you in the sense that you do get lowers running around panicking because they're "still a Virgin" and will do anything to lose it, but i don't see why you have to paste all teenagers who lose their Virginity before marriage with this role. Its judgemental. You all say "the only teens who do it before marriage, do it to be trendy" and thats not right, thats prejudice, and you're not allowed to do that [because of your religion and shtuffs].

'Nobody fills my mind with "blah blah blah" as you say.'

You're home-schooled [i think its you anyway]. That means you can't trust a lot of what you're taught because it will have a biased slant on it. You don't mix with teens who aren't wrapped up in whats 'right or wrong' in the long term, they just live for the now, which is the way everybody should live. If it doesn't harm anyone, why not do it?

'I'd be doing what the majority of the world does...sleeping around, drinking, doing drugs.'

See, its there. 'sleeping around', just because somebody doesn't wait until they're married. Who told you that? The only reason you don't do that is because you think that there's something better after death, if you were brought up to believe that nobody is going to shun you to everlasting torment then you would think more freely and do more things.

'Well, for one, there is no way you can prove that.'

I know, even if the Bible is shown to be a fake thats only showing that man is Fallible, it doesn't prove that God isn't real, it just proves that his opinions expressed in the Bible may not be his.

'I would feel that I was a good person that didn't conform to everyone else's way of thinking just to be trendy.'

And you wouldn't go back and do the things you missed out on? Say you die a Virgin to sex, alkohol and other condemned stuff you wouldn't want to try them out knowing that there is no Hellish backslap from anything? It isn't about being "trendy" or not, its about having experiences and living your life to the fullest. I don't see how anybody can condemn anybody else for having fun and living by their own rules of life rather than somebody elses.

'You realize that you have wasted your life and you begin to weep at what you've done to yourself.'

Can we define 'wasted'. Because my definition of wasted is passing up chances that may never come again. Which is something i don't do.

'You can change your life...right now.'

I agree, i can. But at the end of the day lets think of it this way, lets ignore the whole religious argument and say that there is nothing bad or good that happens to us when we die. There's just blackness. Thats what i fear may happen, sure i'd like to think there was something nice and spiritual that accepts us all but nobody knows for sure, not even me and so in fear that i may die tomorrow i live my life day by day. Knowing that when i do die i won't have regrets. You're asking me to give that up for faith that something bigger and better is around the corner? You want me to give up everything i enjoy, to live life to a set of guidelines nobody knows will help or not? I can't see how living a dull life will help, if there is nothing after death then my life would have been wasted, no fun, no happiness, just a belief that turns out to be false.

'I just ask you to consider that God is real and what He can do for you.'

I do consider it, but then i consider the other options and ponder why i should place that religion and that set of guidelines above other religions. Muslims believe they will go to Heaven if they commit murderous-suicidal acts. Christians believe we will go to Hell. Wiccans believe we go to Gaia no matter what [i think]. Each religion has a set number of guidelines that says will lead to enlightenment, but each guideline contradicts another religion somewhere along the lines. Each religion condemns some form of fun one way or another, why should i live my life by somebody elses standards and not trust myself and live by my standards?

At the end of the day it is fine to have faith and beliefs, but i don't see how not enjoying life will help you in the long run. You all say we have freewill but you don't act like it. Have an experience and then decide, don't let somebody/thing else dictate what you do/think/believe. Would God really condemn his faithful worshippers to torment and pain for experimenting with their life? If you don't like it, fine, repent and do the whole 'hail mary' thing. If you do then i don't see why you should feel guilty for enjoying something. God enjoys watching us have fun, and thats what the majority of the world is doing, having fun.

Mature teens are realising that virginity [whether you have it or not] is not a big deal. Its the lowlifes that ruin it and stereotype the rest of us, and its them who deserve to be neutered.

[Sekto Springs]

You guys all have good points, but nowadays (where i live anyway) people of my age group (which make up about 80% of the population where I live) see sex as being something casual and quick with no real meaning except to feel good. Out here i can count a group of people about my age who's had "casual" sex (condoms/or no ejaculation). I have personally never done casual sex, i feel i'm too young, and i'd never be able to live with myself if i had primarital sex. Sammy and I have gotten...well...amoristic, but never anything to that intensity. I'd say that teens/my age group would gladly continue sex casually. Like Al said they do it for the feeling and are usually oblivious or uncaring about the cause and effects of reproduction.

[oddguy]

Jacob...I really don't want to ruin this thread. It's long posts like that that get really annoying and I don't want to torture anybody else. Let's just forget about it, okay?

-oddguy