Spinwarp

[Codek]

Absolutely ass kicking track:

One Eyed Jack

More like it on their website, www.spinwarp.com. Not as good as my stuff though.

[oddguy]

Listening to it now. More than halfway into it, so I'm guessing that the whole song has no words and this isn't just a really long intro. I like it...nice pick, Death. I'm going to have it stuck in my head while I see ROTK today.

-oddguy

[Codek]

Hehe, yeah I can imagine it being a good song for a movie, but probably more to do with space...

Anyway the reason it has no singing is because it's Drum & Bass. Drum & Bass is very much like Dance, in fact it is a type of Dance music. It originated from hip - hop and hardcore (really fast dance music). I picked up a particular liking for this sort of music in Estonia (once part of the USSR), where they played a kind of Drum & Bass known as "Dark Side".

One Eyed Jack could be likened to Darkside. The evil sounding bassline, science fiction FX and general structure is very similar. The only thing that sets it aside is that it is not very complex, or particularly "rare" sounding. (Dark Side is supposed to be a bit of an Arcane Art, using VERY hard to aquire sounds in its general structure, including drums) I could easily reproduce this song, and have it sound almost identicle, because most of the sounds used in the creation of it are easily available.

Oh jeez, I've just accidentally given you a crash course in Dark Side Drum & Bass! Oh well at least you know what it's all about now.

[Facsimile]

Eww, dance music. I'll stay away from there thank you very much.

[whElk]

I'm with Fax...

[Codek]

Not very open minded of you whElk. If anyone else agrees with Facsimile, please keep it to yourself. I don't want to know. Nobody else wants to know.

[whElk]

I'll download it. I like indie, and the general noise of drums, because I play them... Anyway downloading...

[Wil]

If anyone else agrees with Facsimile, please keep it to yourself. I don't want to know. Nobody else wants to know.

Woe betide anyone offers their opinions on a public discussion Forum. Woe indeed. Seriously, lighten up.

I'll download it later. I'm still recovering from Christmas. Right now we're attempting to reclaim the living room floor. Thanks for the information though, I'm highly interested in genres and styles.

[Codek]

Oh Max please, give me a break will you? I never asked for any opinions, I just wanted to share it with people. Yes, woe betide all those who express negative opinions as much as positive ones, especially when their opinion is just a pathetic prejudice against dance music.

Not everyone wants to know about negative opinions, especially when they are worded in the way Facsimile so elegantly demonstrated. It's a bit like turning up to a chrismas party, just to see what all the fuss is about, then exclaiming "Oh well this is SHIT isn't it".

So really, let's lighten up, and soak in the warming glow of worldly enlightenment that is the prejudiced mind. Let's embrace the selfish wonders of a lifestyle that only serves to prevent from being humiliated by people we wish to remain close to.

Ah, what bliss.

idiot

[Wil]

Oh, I totally agree. Saying you don't like something is the most heinous of crimes, especially if you don't accompany it by prejudice and insults, the latter of which I'm sure you're very proud to have included. Such maturity can only come from a person at peace with his own prejudices, such as "especially when their opinion is ... pathetic."

We are, of course, allowed to replace 'dislike' with 'prejudice' at any point we like, because it somehow reinforces our case, which is very important, especially since nobody else can actually identify it to begin with. What really is your problem with someone not liking something? Perhaps we should all become as hippy-dippy and carefree as you, and love everything, and certainly not get wound up by people typing words on a public Forum.

I can imagine a world like that, and what a joyous vision it is.

Hey look, I can write in smaller writting, somehow under the impression the person I'm addressing in my post won't read it.

Apologies, Death, for attempting to even set foot in one of your topics, let alone try and iron out any conflict in it. However, since you've decided defensiveness is the key to fantastic Internet relations, I'm willing to jump on your bandwagon and push you off.

[Codek]

*cough*watchthebloodpressure*cough*

Max, this is not a sedition.

You've only bent my words, not responded to what I actually said, and when people read what you said, they will think that I meant something I didnt. I seriously doubt you misunderstood what I was trying to put across, and I think you know that. It's either your hatred of me blotting out what is actually going on, and making you more easily annoyed and frustrated, or it is deliberate. Either way, both instances are not acceptable.

I don't have a problem with people expressing their opinion, and telling others WHY they dislike said genre, but I don't want people telling others IF they dislike said genre. It's basically just alerting us to some irellivent facet of a persons mindset, and doesnt actually add any content to the thread. Do you really think that Fac's post is really a model example of somebody expressing their opinion, in the hope that he will contribute something here? It looks to me more like he is taking the piss!

This unimportant misunderstanding is just a reaction as a microcosm of your building opinion of me, Max. If anyone else had done what I had done, I do beleive you would've reacted differently. And that is prejudice. Negative prejudice.

The fact that you seem to have an awareness of "internet relations" really says more to me about you, than it does say about me. And if I am at all right in my thinking, then I should suggest that you don't take this as a match of intelligence.

Ultimately, you should pull away and look at the bigger picture; I'm not trying to blot out freedom of expression and opinion like some tryrant on the warpath. This isn't a sorty intended to quash your very lively hood. So why put up such a fight?

Just because I don't want people bickering about what they do and don't like, doesn't mean that you should come in like the hero on a horse to accuse me of having a problem with peoples point of view.

If I'd wanted your opinions on something, I'd've made a poll. Which I didnt, I just shared some music and a link with you all.

[Wil]

You've only bent my words, not responded to what I actually said.

Would you like to give me an example of that?

For your reference of taking the piss, alright if that's what it looked like to you, but it didn't look like that to me. However, your claim that you're not tying to "blot out freedom of expression" coupled with your supposed amity with justified opinions does conflict with your statement "If anyone else agrees with Facsimile, please keep it to yourself. I don't want to know," which shows that you do have a problem with it. I also didn't come in here trying to be a hero, I came in to reply to the topic, but posting is, as I understand it, the perfect place to respond to something, and in this case I was responding to the seemingly prejudiced repel of what Fac said. I say prejudiced because it seems to be a nice little scapegoat for you at the moment. I initially replied in a tone befitting anyone having said what they said. Subsequent replies were towards your posts, not you yourself, along with what sort of person I know you to be. I wouldn't immediately launch myself at a newbie, nor would I yell out at someone I recognise as a more fluffy character than you. Prejudice is a pre-concieved idea, and when I first met you I was completely void of opinion. However you interpret what I say is a result of who you are. I strongly dislike being called a man of prejudice, because I am strongly against it, but I'll set that aside, save mentioning it.

On top of that, I never claimed you had a problem with people's point of view - just that you were getting unreasonably defensive against people sharing their opinions. What you said in your last post about your point of view makes sense, but only in itself. I've not seen hide nor hair of anything preceding it to support it.

Finally, I do wonder what you mean by "The fact that you seem to have an awareness of "internet relations" really says more to me about you, than it does say about me." I couldn't possibly comment, because I have no idea what your thinking consists of. I implore that you share it, because you've got me incredibly curious. I can take it. If you care enough not to get other people involved, PM it to me.

PS I know this isn't a sedition, because neither of us is an authority figure here.

[Statikk HDM]

Lay off MTM, Death, or he shall bury you in an avalanche of dry, biting British wit and Oddworld trivia.

[Codek]

Lay off MTM, Death, or he shall bury you in an avalanche of dry, biting British wit and Oddworld trivia.

Stop posting so much. You're doing this now just to increase your post count, I can tell.

And you don't need to dig up this old argument. This thing ended ages ago, and doesn't need restarting by someone who wasn't even involved in it.

Admins/Mods please close this thread before it does any more damage.

[Wil]

Death's right, I got concerned to see it back up here. Thanks Statikk, you've made my afternoon, but this one is over.

[Codek]

Are you actually going to lock this thread or what?

[Codek]

Are you actually going to lock this thread or what?

Actually don't lock it yet, I've got an idea on how we can prevent this sort of argument happening again.

We need rules on expression of opinion. Because this is where this thread went wrong.

Facs didn't give any reasons for his opinion, he just posted the equivolent of "I don't like it". Which is actually quite a self important attitude to take, assuming in itself that other people will care enough about his unsupported opinion to really even care about it. It's not that it's bad, it's more to do with how that kind of post adds no content, and doesn't make for a very interesting debate.

Just imagine a carefree hippy-dippy world where self expression runs unchecked. We'd have whole threads full of 3 to 4 word comments like "I don't like it", "that was great" and "not my thing".

Well, actually, even saying "I don't like it" would've been more acceptable than "Eww, dance music". Is that sort of opinion really wanted? Or more to the point, is it acceptable to word your opinions in such a way? I'm sure that people don't really care much for someone blurting out their personal preferences. Equally as much as I'm sure that people would rather see a well worded non-offensive explaination as to why they dislike dance music.

Just a thought.

[Hobo]

Actually don't lock it yet, I've got an idea on how we can prevent this sort of argument happening again.

We need rules on expression of opinion. Because this is where this thread went wrong.

Facs didn't give any reasons for his opinion, he just posted the equivolent of "I don't like it". Which is actually quite a self important attitude to take, assuming in itself that other people will care enough about his unsupported opinion to really even care about it. It's not that it's bad, it's more to do with how that kind of post adds no content, and doesn't make for a very interesting debate.

Just imagine a carefree hippy-dippy world where self expression runs unchecked. We'd have whole threads full of 3 to 4 word comments like "I don't like it", "that was great" and "not my thing".

Well, actually, even saying "I don't like it" would've been more acceptable than "Eww, dance music". Is that sort of opinion really wanted? Or more to the point, is it acceptable to word your opinions in such a way? I'm sure that people don't really care much for someone blurting out their personal preferences. Equally as much as I'm sure that people would rather see a well worded non-offensive explaination as to why they dislike dance music.

Just a thought.

**WATCH OUT OPINION IS PRESENT IN THIS POST AVERT EYES IF YOU DON'T LIKE OPINIONS....**

Or how about no, as people on this forum know what's spam and what isn't, posting irrelevant stuff is spam, opinions arn't spam, if you can't handle that someone has a different opinion to you, then get the hell out of this forum, because it sure as hell isn't for you...

[Codek]

**WATCH OUT OPINION IS PRESENT IN THIS POST AVERT EYES IF YOU DON'T LIKE OPINIONS....**

Or how about no, as people on this forum know what's spam and what isn't, posting irrelevant stuff is spam, opinions arn't spam, if you can't handle that someone has a different opinion to you, then get the hell out of this forum

Actually, no, that sort of attitude does not deserve the well thought out response I wrote for it.

Hobo what is it with you lately? You seem to be drawn to drama like a moth to the light. You beat up on the flavour of the moment. And that sucks because I'd say I'm trying to be pretty friendly with you.

You should realise, that while expression of opinion is all very well, it is not a very good argument in this instance.

Being nice to people while expressing your opinion, be it positive or negative would make a good change. Especially on these boards where negative opinions seem to be a scapegoat for transferring agression.

[Codek]

Alcar I am not arrogant, or opinionated. I don't mind people telling me wether they do or don't like something, so long as they do it at the appropriate moment.

"Eww, dance music!" is not appropriate. "I don't like dance music, I prefer acoustic stuff like guitars and drums" however, is appropriate.

As I said before, negative opinions are just fine with me, but negative attitudes aren't. The fact that negative opinions often come with negative attitudes as standard is reason enough for me not to want a chain of posts from people agreeing with facs.

I have no power to make you stop posting your opinions, and I have no power to stop you being negative.

But then again, I always did find this forum to be poorly run.

[oddguy]

I had a smaller version of this problem in my "Most popular forumer?" thread. It was intended for fun purposes, but instead got a lot of negative response. I know it sucks to see your thread covered in negative gunk, but in the end this is a public forum...and people do have opinions. It would be nice if everyone was polite, however making politeness manditory would make the forum more of a dictaorship. It would also cause more problem than it's worth. Everytime someone got offended, people would cry for a new rule on what people can say and all sorts of blah blah. So, Freedom of Speech rules.
That's my opinion on this thing.

-oddguy

[Al the Vykker]

I had a smaller version of this problem in my "Most popular forumer?" thread. It was intended for fun purposes, but instead got a lot of negative response. I know it sucks to see your thread covered in negative gunk, but in the end this is a public forum...and people do have opinions. It would be nice if everyone was polite, however making politeness manditory would make the forum more of a dictaorship. It would also cause more problem than it's worth. Everytime someone got offended, people would cry for a new rule on what people can say and all sorts of blah blah. So, Freedom of Speech rules.
That's my opinion on this thing.

-oddguy

Yeah, I would have to agree with you completely on that oddguy. I think things just got a little bit out of line but thats normal.

[Codek]

The moderators and admins of this forum really dont do enough around here. They are just like normal users, only loads of people brown nose them so they dont go nuts and start abusing their powers.

Nothing pisses me off quite like seeing people on their best behaviour because a mod is present.

Freedom of speech? pfft! You people think freedom of speech extends to screaming "bomb" on an airliner.

Freedom sucks. Freedom is anarchy.

[oddguy]

Freedom makes you free to accept consequences for your actions. If your actions are good, there's no need to worry.

-oddguy

[Hobo]

The moderators and admins of this forum really dont do enough around here. They are just like normal users, only loads of people brown nose them so they dont go nuts and start abusing their powers.

Ok then Mr. High and Mighty, what part of your bidding should we do first? You state this opinion of yours, and yet don't justify it by saying what we should be doing....

[Codek]

Ok then Mr. High and Mighty, what part of your bidding should we do first? You state this opinion of yours, and yet don't justify it by saying what we should be doing....

Why should I tell you what you should be doing? You should be the ones who tell me what you do. Not the opposite.

It's plain and obvious to most people, what a moderator should do. It's in the name. But most the moderators here don't calm the situation down immediately, they just argue until they win and can go on some kind of ego power trip. Which could go one of two ways, one way being where the problem just escalates into a full blown fight, and the other way being where the moderators win the argument, and the person causing the problem gets even more pissed off.

I've seen this happen on countless occasions.

There are what, 6, 8 staff here? That's more than enough to moderate the 10 or 20 people that log on each day. It would be pathetic for you or anyone else to give any kind of excuse as to why the moderators do so little.

[Wil]

I'm not quite sure in what way explaining your observation would be pathetic, but with the risk hanging over me, I'm going to wager a reply. We don't do work because there is very little to do. In GD there are very few instances of subordination or rule breaking, and apart from Alcar occassionally being out of order with newbies, little action is taken. I can't speak for the mods of Off-Topic, but I'd guess their defense is the same. There is no reason whatsoever to issue an official prod at Member X for expresing an unjustified opinion - most Forumers are sensible enough to sort out such disputes, which are few and far between.

I haven't noticed any members sucking up especially towards the mods, but if they do it's their own device. But as I say, I'm not a staff member in Off-Topic, just another member. Which brings me to say that the staff here are simply other members, and for the most part act as such. They would only get involved in disputes if they threatened to lead to violence or rule-breaking, which again is rare. Technically our arguements earlier should have been in PMs since they were meant purely for each other, but that would be overly picky, as the topic still concerned other people. In the Forums entire history, the number of arguements that have descended into actual genuine insults has been minimal. Certain members do spring to mind, but I doubt very much you're going to bombard me with vulgar PMs. You and me are both more mature and sensible than that, and hence we surely can be expected to resolve whatever differences do crop up.

Now, as to actually moderating topics to the point of supressing superfluous opinions, it is an idea, and I do see where you're coming from, but in all reality I think it would be a pointless manueovure. I admit my Foruming experience is limited, but I've never been to a place, other than more official venues like, say, GameFAQs, where such a measure has been taken. Although, to mark OWF's individuality, I've never been to a place where characters such a Facs have had such a dominance over the nature of expression, if you get me.

[Al the Vykker]

Why should I tell you what you should be doing? You should be the ones who tell me what you do. Not the opposite.

It's plain and obvious to most people, what a moderator should do. It's in the name. But most the moderators here don't calm the situation down immediately, they just argue until they win and can go on some kind of ego power trip. Which could go one of two ways, one way being where the problem just escalates into a full blown fight, and the other way being where the moderators win the argument, and the person causing the problem gets even more pissed off.

I've seen this happen on countless occasions.

There are what, 6, 8 staff here? That's more than enough to moderate the 10 or 20 people that log on each day. It would be pathetic for you or anyone else to give any kind of excuse as to why the moderators do so little.

Well I must say (not trying to start another arguement), I try to make peace in these topics as much as in my own ability. It may not always work but I try to. I dont think abusing my power has ever crossed my mind, even when people may do stuff that is not always the best, I try to always keep a friendly way about me, and not be a jerk or give long lectures like I used to when I was a couple years younger. You may not believe that is possible, but thats your opinion and I respect that.

[Hobo]

You should be the ones who tell me what you do. Not the opposite.

We've all been telling you what to do for ages, either stop being such an attention grabbing dick, or leave.

[Codek]

We've all been telling you what to do for ages, either stop being such an attention grabbing dick, or leave.

In every forum in the world, there seem to be tossers like you. You are aggressive, arrogant, rude, and psychopathic. Completely unproffessional.

You use words such as "We've" instead of "I've", as though you have some sort of army of agreeing followers behind you. You think your point of view is that which most closely represents "normal", yet you could not be more out of touch with reality.

Both Al the Vykker and Max the Mug managed to come out with mature responses to my blind rage (which helped calm me down actually, tnx guys), but all you do is sling mud around with your typical "expert on everything" attitude. Insisting that I'm "attention grabbing".

You aren't realistic either. You think people will just stop and drop when you say so. Get real, you aren't an all powerful being, you're a dickhead that nobody likes. You're like David Brent off of the office. You think you have a routine. You think everyone knows your usual drink at the bar. You think people respect you. You think people beleive you to have certain "classic jokes". But in reality you are just making a fool of yourself.