Youth guilty of vampire ritual killing

Rex Tirano · #1 08-03-2002, 10:39 AM

Youth guilty of vampire ritual killing

By Ananova

A teenager has been found guilty of murdering his elderly neighbour and drinking her blood in a vampire ritual.

Art student Mathew Hardman, 17, butchered Mabel Leyshon at her home in Llanfairpwll, Anglesey, last November.

He has been jailed for a minimum of 12 years.

The 90-year-old widow's heart was cut out and her blood appeared to have been drunk from a saucepan.

The teenager was said to be obsessed by vampires and killed Mrs Leyshon in a bid to become one of the creatures.

He had denied any involvement in the murder and claimed his alleged fascination with vampires was no more than a "subtle interest".

Hardman was convicted by a unanimous verdict at Mold Crown Court.

After the verdict was reached, trial Mr Justice Richards lifted an order banning his identification.

The 17-year-old wept when the male foreman read out the verdict and his mother shrieked and sobbed in the public gallery.

Judge Mr Justice Richards says all the evidence pointed to the fact Hardman believed he could achieve immortality by killing Mrs Leyshon and drinking her blood.

Copyright Ananova 2002 all rights reserved

02/08/02 13:11

I personlly think this is sick!! What o you think?

PinkHaired Mudokon CWR · #2 08-03-2002, 10:45 AM

That sicko!

Rex Tirano · #3 08-03-2002, 10:55 AM

Please post i want to know what you think!!

PinkHaired Mudokon CWR · #4 08-03-2002, 11:02 AM

Your pm is full rex

Sl'askia · #5 08-03-2002, 12:55 PM

This kid was obviously crazy and obsessed with vampires. His actions have put a bad tint on the views of vampires for the honest good vampires I know of (otherkin).

*just knows she is going to be asked about that.*

Rex Tirano · #6 08-03-2002, 12:56 PM

What do you mean drag?

Sl'askia · #7 08-03-2002, 01:07 PM

There are those out there that live the vampire ways, but they do not go killing for their blood meals. They have willing donors to provide them that and other then that they live normal lives like anyone else.
This kid has obviously been so obsessed with trying to become a vampire (which...as far as I can tell you cannot become one by getting biten by one...that is myth and movie legend) that he was willing to kill for a so-called 'ritual' in a bid to become one.

PinkHaired Mudokon CWR · #8 08-03-2002, 01:09 PM

Ha wanna bet? There was one guy he was about 18 or 19 who would kill people but he didn't drink their blood. He would also drink the blood of meat from the deli isle.

Rex Tirano · #9 08-03-2002, 01:12 PM

wow!!! I want to know who posted it happens on the poll!

Surfacing · #10 08-03-2002, 01:15 PM

People like that don't need to go to jail, the reason's they do the things they do is because they are not right in the head or are mentally unstable, putting him in jail will not help, but seeing a psychologist would be much more helpful to him than him going to prison.

Rex Tirano · #11 08-03-2002, 01:18 PM

Surfy I disagree! Yes a physkologist might help him...but prison will disapline him. He might be referred to a metal institution if they think he i ablebodied but not ableminded! Also they would be putting another innocent human being at risk. Where as th policehave guns for protection!

Surfacing · #12 08-03-2002, 01:21 PM

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Originally posted by Rex Tirano
He might be referred to a metal institution

That's my point, i think his better off to go there than prison.

Sl'askia · #13 08-03-2002, 01:23 PM

Pinky...the guy you spoke of is in the same 'mental' state as the kid...crazy. He is not a vampire.

Rex Tirano · #14 08-03-2002, 01:23 PM

But he hasn't think he is able minded so there *farts*

PinkHaired Mudokon CWR · #15 08-03-2002, 01:24 PM

Yeah people tend to see a psychologist, but prisons are good. They break you. What is a psychologist going to do?:

"Okay, let's discuss our feelings. I know if we pull our resourses together, we can achieve our goals because it's the right thing to do! Now, what do you see? Why do you see it?

or do you want

"Mwahaahhaaha! I will make you not even want to drink artificial blood!" Grrrr! Grrrr! *Man chews off bars*

I mean, scare his straight!

Their are some people who keep seeing the shrink and still are not right in the head.

Rex Tirano · #16 08-03-2002, 01:26 PM

I agree with Pinky and my dad would b scared if he was in the room with him. But prison they break you!! (my dads a phsycologist!!)

Surfacing · #17 08-03-2002, 01:29 PM

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Originally posted by PinkHaired Mudokon CWR
Yeah people tend to see a psychologist, but prisons are good. They break you. What is a psychologist going to do?:

Exactly! Why put someone already screwed up enough, in a place were they will "break you"?

Rex Tirano · #18 08-03-2002, 01:30 PM

When they break you you become some one good in the society!! not some dumb ass murderer! You must remember in the good old U.S.A this man would be killed!!

PinkHaired Mudokon CWR · #19 08-03-2002, 01:38 PM

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Originally posted by Surfacing

Exactly! Why put someone already screwed up enough, in a place were they will "break you"?

It's like discipline. Your child is drop dead spoiled. He's bad. Messed. He breaks your dishes for no reason. You try to talk to him but it doesn't work. (that's like psychology) But if you spank him, he won't do it again because the next time he breaks dishes on purpose, he would get a whipping.

Your not going to tell a crazy person to stop killing someone, it's not going to happen. They might just tell you to be quiet and kill you. You have to allow that crazy person to experience something, so he won't do that crazy crap anymore because if he were to do it again, he would get into serious trouble.

Gluk Schmuck · #20 08-03-2002, 02:16 PM

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Originally posted by Rex Tirano
wow!!! I want to know who posted it happens on the poll!

It was me.

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Originally posted by Rex Tirano
1. When they break you you become some one good in the society!! not some dumb ass murderer!
2. You must remember in the good old U.S.A this man would be killed!!
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3. Yes a physkologist might help him...but prison will disapline him.
4. Also they would be putting another innocent human being at risk. Where as th policehave guns for protection!

1. I don't exactly know what you mean by 'break' but that doesn't sound like what happens. Most good citizens I know were never 'broken'. I'd say it's the broken people who were the criminals.
2. Yes. The home of human-rights.
3. But if he isn't mentally stable when he's put into prison, how much worse is he going to be when he gets out?
4. They wouldn't be putting anyone at risk as long as the patient was adequitely restrained and there was security. What do you know, there IS security and restraints in secure psychiatric institutes.

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Originally posted by PinkHaired Mudokon CWR
But if you spank him, he won't do it again because the next time he breaks dishes on purpose, he would get a whipping.

Spanking gives children a lot of attention. And attention-seeking is usually why children mis-behave. Spaking them won't help. It also teaches them that it is acceptable to hit other people.
For example, there was a TV programme about spanking children. In one clip, a child hit his mum. His mum then told him not to do it again and then she spanked him. Just wait till they ask "Why can you hit me but I can't hit you?" then tell them why.

Shall I tell you why psychiatric help and rehabilitation is required? It's because if you put a crazy person in prison without psychiatric help they will be worse when they are releated. If they are sent to a secure psychiatric institution the reasons they had for killing or whatever they did will be found out and the psychiatrists will work out a way to ease them into society somehow.

Prison = nasty place, makes people nasty.
Psychiatric institute = not so nasty, makes people better.

This must be the first thing me and you agree on, Leon!

Rex Tirano · #21 08-03-2002, 02:22 PM

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Originally posted by Gluk Schmuck
Shall I tell you why psychiatric help and rehabilitation is required? It's because if you put a crazy person in prison without psychiatric help they will be worse when they are releated. If they are sent to a secure psychiatric institution the reasons they had for killing or whatever they did will be found out and the psychiatrists will work out a way to ease them into society somehow.

Prison = nasty place, makes people nasty.
Psychiatric institute = not so nasty, makes people better. [/B]

yes I ahree but you wold actually show them its wrong where as in the institute he will talk about it and say..oh look another neck to bite. Personally i thinprison isbetter. in the institute u are in a straight jaket in a cell made to talk and take medicine. Were as prison he don't have to do much hejust in a cell! At least he could get visitors!!

Gluk Schmuck · #22 08-03-2002, 02:26 PM

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Originally posted by Rex Tirano
1. yes I ahree but you wold actually show them its wrong where as in the institute he will talk about it and say..oh look another neck to bite.

2. Personally i thinprison isbetter. in the institute u are in a straight jaket in a cell made to talk and take medicine. Were as prison he don't have to do much hejust in a cell!

3. At least he could get visitors!!

1. They're shown that it's wrong in the institute. In prison they're put in there and they're left to plan their next murder.

2. So now you WANT the murderer to realx in prison? A minute ago you were advocating his execution.

3. Again, why are you now saying that prison is the right option BECAUSE he gets visitors?

Rex Tirano · #23 08-03-2002, 02:34 PM

NO!! lok he is a mntal phsyco! Yes I agree i was a little 'too' nice ealier! But I thin prison is better becaue instead of talking about it he i being punished for it.So its like a detention. Yo getone..yo think after wards..I'm not gtting another one because it made me feel..... scared upset ect!
He wont want t again because he knows the consequences!

Gluk Schmuck · #24 08-03-2002, 02:59 PM

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Originally posted by Rex Tirano
1. But I thin prison is better becaue instead of talking about it he i being punished for it.So its like a detention.

2. He wont want t again because he knows the consequences!

1. Do you think they let the high-security patients leave the institute or something?

2. Yes. If he's naughty he has to go to prison and get free meals, visiotors and a nice bed. There are some people who commit crimes just so that they can go back to prison because they're homeless or poor.

Jacob · #25 08-03-2002, 03:47 PM

Its gonna happen. Whether its the peeps Drag was talking about were they go to those parties and drink each others blood or beat a old lady to death. You cant classify someone as crazy whom you dont know. How do we know the old lady wasn't taunting him or dressing up as 'Buffy the Vampire Slayer'?

She may even tried to of staked him...mean old woman *Tuts*

dark_xinos · #26 08-03-2002, 05:25 PM

Yeah that is sick... But while I was reading there was still a word flying around in my mind..."cool". I know it is awful but...
*says "oh dear" with smile on face*.

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Rex Tirano · #27 08-03-2002, 05:56 PM

I know I know! Its still sick even if she was taunting him!!

PinkHaired Mudokon CWR · #28 08-03-2002, 09:05 PM

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Originally posted by Gluk Schmuck

Spanking gives children a lot of attention. And attention-seeking is usually why children mis-behave. Spaking them won't help. It also teaches them that it is acceptable to hit other people.
For example, there was a TV programme about spanking children. In one clip, a child hit his mum. His mum then told him not to do it again and then she spanked him. Just wait till they ask "Why can you hit me but I can't hit you?" then tell them why.

Prison = nasty place, makes people nasty.
Psychiatric institute = not so nasty, makes people better.

Spanking does not give kids attention and it does not make children mis-bahave. Kids are smart. They will try to control you. Like a kid would cry alot, in order for you to give he/she some candy because they know you will even though you said no. But spanking them, tells them that your in charge and you are not going to allow a kid to rule you. If you don't discipline your kids while they are youg, someone is going to discipline your kids for you. I have a nephew and a neice I know because they are spoiled. Spanking them I believe has improved their behavior because they now know that people are not playing with them and they don't wanna get a spanking so that's embedded into their mind to not hit you or whatever. My neice Tahndi, use to cry alot all night just so you can play with her alll night. We were tired. She cried harder and started to roll on the ground and whine but when my mom hit her, that girl feel asleep because she knows. Spanking It does not teach kids to hit other kids. I mean Gluk, have you ever seen kids get spankings? I think it helps. I haven't seen it. If a kid said "why can't I hit you", then you give them a hardcore deal. Gluk, the girl probably didn't hit the boy hard enough. If you tap them a bit, they would not fear the consequences. Of course You shouldn't abuse your kids or beat them until they are black and blue. You should spank them and after tell them that you love them to let them know that you didn't spank them just to be mean, but you care about them. If you discipline your kids, it means that you truly love your kids.

Prison: Helps, discipline

Psychology: Yeah right, like that person is going to listen? If it makes the person feel better, why do they keep going back to the psychologist?

Gluk Schmuck · #29 08-03-2002, 10:02 PM

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Originally posted by PinkHaired Mudokon CWR
1. Like a kid would cry alot, in order for you to give he/she some candy because they know you will even though you said no. But spanking them, tells them that your in charge and you are not going to allow a kid to rule you.

2. If you don't discipline your kids while they are youg, someone is going to discipline your kids for you.

3. Spanking them I believe has improved their behavior because they now know that people are not playing with them and they don't wanna get a spanking so that's embedded into their mind to not hit you or whatever.

4. My neice Tahndi, use to cry alot all night just so you can play with her alll night. We were tired. She cried harder and started to roll on the ground and whine but when my mom hit her, that girl feel asleep because she knows.

5. Spanking It does not teach kids to hit other kids.

6. If a kid said "why can't I hit you", then you give them a hardcore deal.

7. Of course You shouldn't abuse your kids or beat them until they are black and blue.

1. Shall I tell you how to tell a kid 'no'? You say 'no.' If they cry, just ignore them. Simple, no?

2. Anyone who disciplines my children in the way you described is going to jail or hospital for a long time.

3. *shakes head*

4. If she cries for a bad reason then ignore them.

5. Think about what it teaches them. Children learn from their parents. If they see their parents hitting people (including themselves) they will think hitting people is acceptable.

6. What is 'a hardcore deal'?

7. After you have spanked your child and they still misbehave, what do you do? What can you do worse than spanking?

PinkHaired Mudokon CWR · #30 08-03-2002, 10:12 PM

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Originally posted by Gluk Schmuck

1. Shall I tell you how to tell a kid 'no'? You say 'no.' If they cry, just ignore them. Simple, no?

2. Anyone who disciplines my children in the way you described is going to jail or hospital for a long time.

3. *shakes head*

4. If she cries for a bad reason then ignore them.

5. Think about what it teaches them. Children learn from their parents. If they see their parents hitting people (including themselves) they will think hitting people is acceptable.

6. What is 'a hardcore deal'?

7. After you have spanked your child and they still misbehave, what do you do? What can you do worse than spanking?

1. Doesn't work all the time.

2. People, did I just said not to beat your kids until they are black and blue? And show some love to them after you spank them? read my brutha read! You spank them, not beat them. You probably haven't even experience a spanking so you really won't know if it's beating or not.

3. *nods head*

4. Doesn't work all the time because the kid will end up throwing things around, cussing at you or hitting you to get your attention. Now what do you do?

5.*shakes head* Maybe from what you've seen but not what I've seen. What are you going to do, "five minutes in the corner" Does not woooorrrrkkkk all the time. *tisk* *tisk*

6. You know, you give people the 411, information.

7. Take them to boot camp! Like I said, if you can't discipline a kid, someone will because the people out in the world are not your parents and they don't care. That's why disciplining is good, so you will let them now.