Child Summit: US, Vatican, and Several Middle Eastern Countries Demand Abstinence

Joe the Intern · #1 05-12-2002, 12:05 PM

At the Child Summit, up came the topic of Sexual Education. The US, Vatican, and several other countries demanded abstinence, which went against the views of Canada and most of Europe (there was another country, but I forgot what it was.) I guess they don't want us to explore ANY part of our bodies now, do they?

I think this is completely stupid. This abstinence is just a policy for Conservative Right-Wingers. What's your opinion?

pinkgoth2 · #2 05-12-2002, 12:09 PM

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Originally posted by Joe the Intern
I think this is completely stupid. This abstinence is just a policy for Conservative Right-Wingers. What's your opinion?

I think it's a policy of conservative religious people.

Yes, I think it's completely stupid, too. Nuff said ^_^

- TyA

Sl'askia · #3 05-12-2002, 01:33 PM

blah...peeps will 'do the deed' no matter what they enforce, especially teenagers. Best thing to do is 'advise' abstance and educate about using birth control and STDs if they do chose to do it.
Blah...yeah i think its a purely 'religious' thing this abstinence...they Vatican are probably just jealous they can't get any cause of their silly 'celibite(sp)' vow, so they try to force everyone else to be celibate outside of marriage. (I meant no offense do the 'religious' members of this board, its just my opinion after all)

Gluk Schmuck · #4 05-12-2002, 02:00 PM

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Originally posted by Joe the Intern
1. At the Child Summit, up came the topic of Sexual Education. The US, Vatican, and several other countries demanded abstinence, which went against the views of Canada and most of Europe (there was another country, but I forgot what it was.)

2. I think this is completely stupid. This abstinence is just a policy for Conservative Right-Wingers.

1. When you told me this on MSN earlier I misread that and I thought you meant preists. Ugh. They actually want people to abstain from sex? Are they just going to tell people not to have sex in SE or were they planning on a law?

2. That's basically the same as my opinion.

Danny · #5 05-12-2002, 05:13 PM

I don't understand, Rach; the first part of your post seems to imply that abstinence would be a good thing, but is unenforceable, but the second half says that the whole thing is silly...

I agree with the second half of Rach's post...

Sl'askia · #6 05-12-2002, 05:57 PM

I was saying that abstinence would be prefered, but it is unrealistic to be able to have everyone follow it. Hell I stayed a virgin until about 3 years ago (im 24), but then...I think one of the probs I think there is is that in high school it doing the deed seemed to be a 'right of passage' to be accepted into popularity groups (thats the impression I got anyway). I didn't see it as a big deal then, sure I was curious about it...but I wasn't going to 'do it' just to prove my 'worth' to someone so I could be popular. (and get this...I was in a Catholic High School...)
Then again...I was a rather unusual teenage female to begin with...(didn't like shoping for clothes, didn't like listening to all the hard music, talking on the phone for hours at a time, etc...though I did have the trademark messy room...)
Point is that some will do it if they want to no matter what adults say...so you might as well teach them how to do it safely.
(was that clean enough? I think so....*paranoid*)

Statikk HDM · #7 05-12-2002, 06:09 PM

Damn. Can't the priests and authority just go and get rid of the whole everyone else can get it on and get married but not priests, no nooky for those holy people" and throw it out the window. And yeah, abstinence is excellent, but everybody will tell you to **** off royally if you think that people shouldn't be able to bang like crazed chimps before people to get married. Well, at least The Vatican didn't ppiss off the gay people, funny hat wearing hheads would have rolle dif they even went iinto the whole morality of homosexuality thing. Political suicide. The Vatican is essentially useless if I do so so myself. No matter what they do or say they are damned if they do and damned if they don't They serve no religious purpose and run contrary to the Bible. Abstinence I am for, Roman Catholic relativism and waffling is what I am against. You can't enforce abstinence, it is between you and God. You can' lock people up and enforce your will on them. But premarital sex is bad the whole hog. No ifs ands or buts. Damn, this is a complicated issue.

Gluk Schmuck · #8 05-12-2002, 06:15 PM

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Originally posted by Dragadon
I was saying that abstinence would be prefered

Why?

Danny · #9 05-12-2002, 06:41 PM

Could someone point out to me exactly what is wrong with sex, that abstinence would be the best policy?

In fact, forget it, if we continue on this line of reasoning, this topic will turn into a clone of the Sex Ed discussion in the Morality topic... If you want to see my views on this subject, go there. If you don't want to see my views on the subject, then I think you probably need to hear them the most...

Sl'askia · #10 05-12-2002, 06:42 PM

Um...duh...is like the only true 100% way to prevent unwanted pregancies and catching STDs....

Danny · #11 05-12-2002, 06:50 PM

Don't "duh" me... And I told you to ignore that post, and read the one in the Morality topic instead...

[*phew* I think I managed to get out of having to think of a comeback there...

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Sl'askia · #12 05-12-2002, 06:55 PM

I was talking to Tom, Danny....*sigh*

Danny · #13 05-12-2002, 07:13 PM

Ah well, your answer would have applied to me as well...

Disgruntled Intern · #14 05-12-2002, 07:19 PM

Hey, get this, the town I live in has the highest teen pregnency, and chlamedia [major sp] rate in the entire county! gosh, it sure is great to live here. ....
Don't worry, I have yet to get an STD, or "knock any one up"....

Gluk Schmuck · #15 05-12-2002, 07:28 PM

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Originally posted by Dragadon
Um...duh...is like the only true 100% way to prevent unwanted pregancies and catching STDs....

So you think sex should only be used for procreation and never recreation?

Sl'askia · #16 05-12-2002, 07:45 PM

Ok...so I have conflicting views here...I am not against sex for recreation as long as peeps do so responsibly. If they can't, they shouldn't at all.

Gluk Schmuck · #17 05-12-2002, 07:53 PM

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Originally posted by Dragadon
Ok...so I have conflicting views here...I am not against sex for recreation as long as peeps do so responsibly. If they can't, they shouldn't at all.

So you don't mind sex as long as it's safe? That's sensible.

Majic · #18 05-12-2002, 08:06 PM

Safe sex is basicly impossbile unless you use a trash bag for a condom or something. And STDS are asymtamatic, which sucks, and anyways who wants to go around with blisters all over their genitals*shudders* Yea....

Danny · #19 05-12-2002, 08:14 PM

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Originally posted by Majic_Abe
Safe sex is basicly impossbile unless you use a trash bag for a condom or something.

I think you'll find that condoms make far better condoms than trash bags...

Majic · #20 05-12-2002, 08:28 PM

Condoms still only lower your chances of STDs, etc... They dont prevent anything fully, and anyway, phsysical contact is enough for STDs, so kinda its not really safe at all in the beginning. Ack, I find myself actualy using the stuff we had to listen to some guy talk about. Bah.

Danny · #21 05-12-2002, 08:39 PM

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Originally posted by Majic_Abe
Condoms still only lower your chances of STDs, etc... They dont prevent anything fully, and anyway, phsysical contact is enough for STDs, so kinda its not really safe at all in the beginning. Ack, I find myself actualy using the stuff we had to listen to some guy talk about. Bah.

I should point out that the success rate for condoms is close to 100%. I mean really close. Closer to 100% than 99%, anyway. And no, Physical Contact can't transmit STDs, because they wouldn't be STDs then, would they?

Majic · #22 05-13-2002, 08:10 PM

Even if its not "official" sex, they can still be transmitted. Skin contact is enough, one girl had nevere had, er, 'Official" sex and still got herpes or something. And oral contact with the sexal area can like give you mouth sores and such. It doesn't have to be "official".

Melvin:squeeking paramite · #23 05-13-2002, 10:27 PM

Ugh, what a stupid idea. Total abstinence just wouldn't work... Any one who wants this has a screwed up way of thinking... Way too conservative... Practicing safe sex to avoid unwanted pregnancy and STD's is good, but total abstinence is incredibly stupid. *shakes head*

Teal · #24 05-14-2002, 10:47 AM

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Originally posted by Majic_Abe
one girl had nevere had, er, 'Official" sex and still got herpes or something

Herpes - the same virus that causes chickenpox and shingles. And I don't think many six-year-olds get chickenpox from having unprotected sex...

I think that as people are going to want to go to bed together no matter what anyone says, it's better to advise and teach about the use of protection. (Or else pay the consequences - it's their own fault, after all. They're the ones that are going to have to humbly slink off to the doctors and ask for help when they get something nasty...

I'd say that was lesson enough.

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Preaching abstinence is like trying to stop an entire nation from eating junk-food - while there's a small minority who don't indulge in it, the vast majority will just carry on regardless.

Sydney · #25 05-14-2002, 11:20 AM

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Originally posted by Danny
I should point out that the success rate for condoms is close to 100%. I mean really close.

Condoms don't prevent the transmission of pubic mites, also known as crabs. I guess they make up the 0.05%.

Statikk HDM · #26 05-14-2002, 11:50 AM

The success rate of condoms is quite low actually. It offers little to damn near no protection against many diseases, such as HTP, syphilis etc. The rate of sexually transmitted diseases is at an all time high, near freaking epidemic proportions. And aabout every ten percent of the time, impregnation occurs even if a condom is used. So common sense would tell us that condoms, which were invented during Lincoln's presidency, are not some magic bullet that can make premarital sex "safe"

pinkgoth2 · #27 05-14-2002, 01:53 PM

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Originally posted by Statikk HDM
The success rate of condoms is quite low actually. It offers little to damn near no protection against many diseases, such as HTP, syphilis etc. The rate of sexually transmitted diseases is at an all time high, near freaking epidemic proportions. And aabout every ten percent of the time, impregnation occurs even if a condom is used. So common sense would tell us that condoms, which were invented during Lincoln's presidency, are not some magic bullet that can make premarital sex "safe"

Safer.

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- TyA

Gluk Schmuck · #28 05-14-2002, 06:02 PM

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Originally posted by Statikk HDM
So common sense would tell us that condoms, which were invented during Lincoln's presidency, are not some magic bullet that can make premarital sex "safe"

They can't make any sex entierly 'safe' but they do a good job of stopping certain STIs and unwanted pregnancies.

Danny · #29 05-14-2002, 08:13 PM

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Originally posted by Teal
Preaching abstinence is like trying to stop an entire nation from eating junk-food - while there's a small minority who don't indulge in it, the vast majority will just carry on regardless.

Likening Sex to Junk Food... Well, that's one way to look at it, I suppose...

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Originally posted by Statikk HDM
The success rate of condoms is quite low actually. It offers little to damn near no protection against many diseases, such as HTP, syphilis etc. The rate of sexually transmitted diseases is at an all time high, near freaking epidemic proportions. And aabout every ten percent of the time, impregnation occurs even if a condom is used. So common sense would tell us that condoms, which were invented during Lincoln's presidency, are not some magic bullet that can make premarital sex "safe"

Have you skimped your research or are you just making up your statistics?

And in what way does sex suddenly become "safe" once you are married?

Majic · #30 05-14-2002, 08:32 PM

Sex is not really safe after yoru married, but Dan, condoms do NOT take it down to very little. There is still a decent chance that STDs and pregnancies can occur. Like I said, you'd need a trash bag to protect yourself completely. Or just not have sex