Morality may be taught in schools as part of sex education

Gluk Schmuck · #1 04-30-2002, 08:22 PM

I saw on the news this morning that schools may start to teach 'morality' as part of sex education. I, personally, don't think schools could or should teach morality. I'd like to hear your thoughts on this subject.

Danny · #2 04-30-2002, 08:29 PM

A person can't be taught what is Right or Wrong, but they could (and should) be taught about different viewpoints of Right and Wrong, and left to make their own decisions.

morphius · #3 04-30-2002, 08:31 PM

Most would disgree with morality in school because it brings up other personal topics sometimes religion, but I think morality should be taught because people(young humans) "these days"are not getting the proper ideals and this can lead, eventually, to problems......extra info: Most religous priests (not just catholic) think that the worst problem of today is bad ideals(young children who are the future, who are not being taught in the best interest) and not being taught right from wrong, this does matter in ones development, and for the future.......

Danny · #4 04-30-2002, 08:32 PM

But how can one be taught what is Right and Wrong, when those terms are totally subjective?

morphius · #5 04-30-2002, 08:36 PM

Everybeing knows right from wrong and basic ideals can be taught, with out there being a personal view on things......Simple things such as not hurting others, this is just a small example of what I mean.....

Beta Carrotine · #6 04-30-2002, 08:52 PM

I agree with Danny that people should be taught the different views of right and wrong, but I would think that teaching morality in school will lead to some major changes, whether for better or for worse. But if they have to teach "morality" then they shouldn't teach it as part of sex ed. Instead, I think they should teach it as part of, like, FACS(for those of us who aren't in american junior high, that's family and consumer sciences).

Sl'askia · #7 04-30-2002, 09:41 PM

Somehow teaching morality in schools doesn't sit with me...there is a risk they could impose a certain religion on the students. But then...the parents would be anyway at home...*sighs and shuts up before she starts an arguement about religion*

Statikk HDM · #8 04-30-2002, 10:16 PM

I personally see the sex ed. issue like this: Sexual education is embroiled iin a whole host of moral, religious, and personal issues. The home, not the school, is the place for this kind of "education"

Jacob · #9 05-01-2002, 06:04 PM

" The home, not the school, is the place for this kind of "education" "

Yeh...sometimes the only way a kid can find out about such stuff is through skool.

Statikk HDM · #10 05-01-2002, 06:29 PM

Yes, well i am sure you are familiar with this saying "Those who read, succeed, those who can't teach" and what business does a teacher have talking about sucha moral and private thing?

Danny · #11 05-01-2002, 08:38 PM

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Originally posted by Statikk HDM
The home, not the school, is the place for this kind of "education"

I disagree. Teachers are far more likely to be unbiased about things like this. Yes, there are some teachers who hold extreme views about things like Homosexuality, but in general teachers are screened for such dangerous tendencies during training. Parents, on the other hand, not only can hold dangerous and/or restrictive views, but often do, and sadly, often feel that they have the right to impose their views on their children. This gets back to an old debate we had here, about the degree to which parents have the right to impose their own views on their children. I'll go and try to dig it up...

Like I say, if Morality can be taught in a neutral and unbiased way, then it should be taught. This kind of thing should be closely monitored, however, to make sure that the children aren't being indoctrinated to anything...

Statikk HDM · #12 05-01-2002, 08:55 PM

Morality, or anything else for that matter, cannot be taught in an unbiased way. Done deal. Why the hell are kids learning about shit like this anyway when some real learning could be going on.

Danny · #13 05-01-2002, 09:44 PM

Oh, and another thing: "Family and Consumer Sciences"? *shakes his head* Only in America could such a subject exist...

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Originally posted by Statikk HDM
Morality, or anything else for that matter, cannot be taught in an unbiased way. Done deal. Why the hell are kids learning about shit like this anyway when some real learning could be going on.

Schools could teach Morality a damn sight more objectively than Parents. Parents almost invariably offer only their own point of view, and force the child to accept it. Schools could teach about many different points of view, and their pros and cons, and leave the children to make up their own minds...

"Real learning"? Don't you think that Right and Wrong are fairly important things to make your mind up about? I know I'm glad that my mother left me to make my own mind up, but I also know that many children aren't given that choice...

Statikk HDM · #14 05-02-2002, 12:35 AM

Yes, real learning. Physics, basic algebra, corporate science and economics, literature, computer and electronics,etc. You see I am from the old skool, where people actually were encouaged to learn relevant things at school instead of about the theological implications of hanky panky

Joe the Intern · #15 05-02-2002, 01:11 AM

Things like this really piss me off. My school has been telling me what to think from the beginning, and I certainly wouldn't want it to tell me how to think when it comes to sex. My parents either. For as long as I can remember, my mother has been telling me how to think when it comes to sex, thinking I'll get a gril pregnant and leave her. "Never have sex before you are married! Always use a condom!" These two sentences don't make sense, because most (not all, mind you) married couples want to have children.

MudokonOddball · #16 05-02-2002, 11:39 AM

What was the worst, least educated, most obnoxious and unintelligent teacher you ever had? Now, what would it be like if (s)he got a job as the 5th grade "Morality Class" teacher? If the "screening" process is very, very strict, than I think that I could live with it.

Sydney · #17 05-02-2002, 11:44 AM

Sex education doesn't need morality to be packaged with it.

What I was taught in sex ed were simply the different parts of human anatomy, the diseases that can be contracted through unprotected sex and about puberty. Considering all the different views on sexual morality, it would be impossible to condense them all into a single, absolute stick that would please everyone.

Gluk Schmuck · #18 05-02-2002, 12:49 PM

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Originally posted by Sydney
What I was taught in sex ed were simply the different parts of human anatomy, the diseases that can be contracted through unprotected sex and about puberty.

I learnt about the human reproductive system in Biology and I learnt about pregnancy and such in Child Development. I leant the names of a few STIs and a few contraceptives in PSHCE/PSE/SE/PSD/PD (personal development).

I learnt all my morality from my mum. Not by her telling me directly what to think but she wasn't a bigot and such, so I wasn't a bigot and such. The same way I learnt most things.

Jacob · #19 05-02-2002, 05:43 PM

My schools sex ed was basically like Sydney's. We also saw a woman giving birth in year 9 which was just vulgar and i did feel really ill after that. My family is like the one Danny is describing. From a early age they made it clear that Homosexuality is not a normal thing and that Homosexuals should never come out but stay in the closet or live underground. That all Drugs are bad. That underage sex is bad. That having a G/F in teens is too young. And that everyone hates Homosexuals. Now that i have gotten older i have developed my own views and their views have rapidly become out of date and useless and although i try and tell them this they ignore me and still try and persuade me...it then ends up in a massive argument.

Nan: "They are not normal...people dont like them."

Me: "Only narrow minded bigots and homophobes like you...everyone else likes them!!"

Nan: "They pretend they like them but behind their back they say "Oh, he's a funny one" or "Keep your kids near you" "

Me: "Whats that kid comment supposed to mean...Gays and Paedophiles are completly diff."

Nan: "Well...you never know."

Me: "There are more child molesting preists in your 'Oh-so special' religion then there is in Homosexuality, you do know that dont you?"

Nan: "Dont be daft."

Me: "Dont be ignorant."

It will then stop for a bit until i start it up again...its like that on most subjects. Thankfully i have my friends and my friends families to turn to if i want acknowledgement and non-bigotry...Ugh...my family...what a bunch of assholes.

Gluk Schmuck · #20 05-02-2002, 06:40 PM

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Originally posted by Jacob
1. We also saw a woman giving birth in year 9 which was just vulgar and i did feel really ill after that.

2. Ugh...my family...what a bunch of assholes.

1. I've only seen labour in Child Development. It's funny watching all the girls (I'm the only boy in the class) squeeming and going 'urr!'

The only times I've felt sick fron watching videos are in year seven or eight, we watched a heart operation in Science. And in year ten, in Child Development, our teacher was describing a certain incision of which I can't remember the name. I wasn't actually sick though.

2. They seem to be. Ick.

Danny · #21 05-02-2002, 07:38 PM

"Corporate Science"? Again, only in America...

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Originally posted by Joe the Intern
Things like this really piss me off. My school has been telling me what to think from the beginning, and I certainly wouldn't want it to tell me how to think when it comes to sex.

Everything I hear about American Schools seems to be bad... They teach you what to think there? That's bad... Here they just tell you the facts and let you make your own mind up...

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My parents either. For as long as I can remember, my mother has been telling me how to think when it comes to sex, thinking I'll get a gril pregnant and leave her. "Never have sex before you are married! Always use a condom!"

*sympathy* (except for the condom bit, which is just them being overprecautious, and isn't exactly bad...)

*sympathy for Chris, too. Stronger sympathy...*

I got more or less the same Sex Ed as Sydney and Tom. Just the facts, not the opinions...

Although I do think that teaching Morality could be a good thing, I can't see how they would package it with Sex Ed...

"The FSH stimulates the production of eggs, and you shouldn't steal..."

PinkHaired Mudokon CWR · #22 05-02-2002, 09:33 PM

That's what Health and You and Society is for! Hehehe!

I think it depends on the level and everything. Like, you would'nt teach that to little kids. Too young.

Danny · #23 05-02-2002, 09:37 PM

Surely young kids are the most important ones to instil morals to...

PinkHaired Mudokon CWR · #24 05-02-2002, 09:44 PM

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Originally posted by Danny
Surely young kids are the most important ones to instil morals to...

Yeah True.

I just think that sex Ed should be taught to older kids. Different mind set levels ya know. I mean, apple juice, nappy time and crackers were'nt meant to teach children about sexual desires! LOL j/k

Statikk HDM · #25 05-02-2002, 11:18 PM

Good to see you are back from your long hiatus. But Syd, don't you think that somethings are a little over a little kids head? "And today we will learn about homosexuality and the unified field theorem. Also, we will discuss trickle down economics and the writings of Sylvia Plath and the intense soulful concertos of Doberman. Papers due on monday."

Danny · #26 05-04-2002, 09:24 AM

Statikk, there is a world of difference between Homosexuality and the Unified Field Theorem. Could you please explain to me what is so complicated about Homosexuality that it would go "over kids' heads"?

Jacob · #27 05-04-2002, 09:48 AM

What is the Unified Field Theorem. I believe that Homosexuality is alot easier to explain than where babies come from.

Homosexality - Men/Women are attracted to the same sex.

With the baby thing you prolly have to state EVERYTHING that happens. From arousal to the cigarette after the whole buisness.

Oh, and does anyone else think that being in the Porn Industry is a dirty and sorded buisness? I dont mean to push my luck but i cant ring anyone and no-one is online so i am just wondering what your views on it are. I dont want a whole essay, just a basic 'Yes it is' or 'No its not'. Mainly because i was speaking to my mum and nan last night about my ambitions to be a director in that buisness and they said it was sorded and disgusting. Now, i just want to know if thats because their views are out of date or because everyone thinks that way? Could someone (Prefarably older, and not a teen since most teens views on it are 'ITS AMAZING!!' or something to that nature.)

Sydney · #28 05-04-2002, 10:14 AM

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Originally posted by Statikk HDM
Good to see you are back from your long hiatus. But Syd, don't you think that somethings are a little over a little kids head? "And today we will learn about homosexuality and the unified field theorem. [...]"

Who said anything about homosexuality? I don't understand how something as subjective as morality can be placed in the same barrel as something as diverse as sexuality. High school students should only be taught about the practical aspects of sex, the risks involved and the measures of protection that can be taken. I wouldn't have a problem if homosexuality was discussed, simply explaining that such people do exist, and teaching students not to discriminate against them.

I was taught about reproduction in Biology, which is a whole different ball game. Sexual health was discussed in PD/H/PE (Personal Development, Health and Physical Education).

Danny · #29 05-04-2002, 12:11 PM

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Originally posted by Jacob
Oh, and does anyone else think that being in the Porn Industry is a dirty and sorded buisness? I dont mean to push my luck but i cant ring anyone and no-one is online so i am just wondering what your views on it are. I dont want a whole essay, just a basic 'Yes it is' or 'No its not'. Mainly because i was speaking to my mum and nan last night about my ambitions to be a director in that buisness and they said it was sorded and disgusting. Now, i just want to know if thats because their views are out of date or because everyone thinks that way? Could someone (Prefarably older, and not a teen since most teens views on it are 'ITS AMAZING!!' or something to that nature.)

I don't think it's immoral or anything like that, I just think it's incredibly dull... What kind of sad-acts get aroused by pictures of women they will never even meet? Besides, once you've seen one hot double-penetration scene, you've seen them all...

pinkgoth2 · #30 05-04-2002, 01:23 PM

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Originally posted by Danny
I don't think it's immoral or anything like that, I just think it's incredibly dull... What kind of sad-acts get aroused by pictures of women they will never even meet? Besides, once you've seen one hot double-penetration scene, you've seen them all...

I'm not sad! Er. *lol*

But you're right about the "once you've seen one, you've seen them all". It's hopelessly overdone, like so many things. I suppose if it was moderate, then this sub-thread wouldn't even exist. But considering all the spam you get telling you to go to a porn site or the porn ads on sites... it's uncreative and a drag.

To be truthful, I visit a place called the greyarchive from time to time. It's fiction, and most of it is actually creative (unless you insist lingering in the 'fan fiction' section and read about made up pokémon episodes you didn't need to know of ;) ).
*shrug*
I think that has class, even if the site is somewhat simply coded. Or maybe that's what makes it good? No stupid pictures that limit your imagination.

Ah well. ^^,

- TyA