Sensible members need a place of their own.

DarkHoodness · #1 04-16-2002, 06:29 PM

*Credits Anna for the titile - She did it, not me*
Yes, I had an idea. You see, I was thinking that we could make a new forum, in which only sensible members are allowed in, and is blocked to normal users.
Members are allowed in depending on thier behaviour. If they are good enough, don't spam, don't post annoying topics, are good, aren't annoying, e.t.c., then they can be let in. Sure, it might anger some of the spammers and the bad people, but who cares about them? And it might encourage some of our more sensible veteran members to come back, who left because there was too much crap on these forums.

So, how about it, Kristen and Syd? Good or bad idea? And what do all you forum guys think?
- DH

Gluk Schmuck · #2 04-16-2002, 06:41 PM

I like the idea.

I wonder if VSB is still around to answer this topic with unintelligable nonsense.

SeaRex · #3 04-16-2002, 06:42 PM

I don't like it. Ppl would feel left out, even if they do spam. Besides constant spammers don't stay aound very long, anyway.

Are you really all that annoyed by a few ppl? That you can't stand discussions in the forums we already have? It's not like we are completely void of in-depth conversations here...

DarkHoodness · #4 04-16-2002, 06:55 PM

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I don't like it. Ppl would feel left out, even if they do spam (1). Besides constant spammers don't stay aound very long, anyway.(2)

Are you really all that annoyed by a few ppl? (3) That you can't stand discussions in the forums we already have? It's not like we are completely void of in-depth conversations here...(4)

1: People can gain entry into the Sensible members only forum if they behave, and continue to do so. After a month or so of them behaving, we let them in.

2: Yes they do. If you want proof, just look around.

3: A few? Loads of people spam.

4: Yes, but the spammers nearly always ruin topics, don't they?

*Sucks hard at arguing*
- DH

SeaRex · #5 04-16-2002, 07:05 PM

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Originally posted by Dark Hood
1: People can gain entry into the Sensible members only forum if they behave, and continue to do so. After a month or so of them behaving, we let them in.

2: Yes they do. If you want proof, just look around.

3: A few? Loads of people spam.

4: Yes, but the spammers nearly always ruin topics, don't they?

5: *Sucks hard at arguing*

1. Hmm... I suppose that works. But it will still just make spammers even more unpleasant.

2. What, we've got that VSB guy, and most of the others are banned!

3. Most members spams at one time or another...

4. I don't think so, there posts are usually short so I don't bother reading them.

5. Phht. Ya got me beat...

Sl'askia · #6 04-16-2002, 07:22 PM

I can't make a descion for or against...but I'll make a few pointers.

One problem with this is that many people define what is considered 'spam' differently then others, so you'll have conflict there.

Another is that the Oddworld Forums are suppost to be an open forum. For this reason I am guessing Syd and AB will not go for this.

We were expecting this to happen even before MO came out. So in a way it is our own fault for not nipping this in the bud when it first started.

You have to remember the average age group here...some just don't know any better. It wouldn't be fair to them if we made a forum just for the more 'mature' members.

There are other reasons why some people left other then the excessive spam (ie lost interest).

You have to remember the mods and admins can't moderate the forums 24 7, we have lives beyond the computer ya know.

I sersiously doubt either AB or Syd have the time or resources to open another forum for us 'sensible' members. We were lucky with the last move that Pilot was willing to offer his server.

In reference to the point above and IMO...if you want a separate forum for us 'sensible' members so badly...start one up yourself....

That's my...*counts* $1.50 on the matter...

Danny · #7 04-16-2002, 07:49 PM

I personally don't like this very much. I don't think the new forum would be very popular, and would probably die pretty soon after its conception.

However, I do offer this list of other alternative solutions to the "problem":

1. Outright banning of the more moronic members.
The problem with this is that most of them are just annoying through sheer ignorance, so we wouldn't really have an excuse.

2. The restricting of the younger forumers to Zulag 1.
I like this idea because it would leave us still with an Open Forum, mainly, and most of the younger members spend most of their time in Zulag 1 anyway, while the older members tend to spend more time in Zulag 2. The downside to this is that people could easily lie about their age when joining. At least one forumer appears to have done this already, although I won't name names... (Let's just call him Mr. P, shall we?)

3. Make me a moderator of Off-Topic Discussion.
Oh yeah, Vote for me! I'd soon get this place straightened out...

I live on the other side of the world from the Admins, as well, so I'd be able to Moderate at different times to them...

Sl'askia · #8 04-16-2002, 07:53 PM

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Originally posted by Danny
3. Make me a moderator of Off-Topic Discussion.
Oh yeah, Vote for me! I'd soon get this place straightened out... I live on the other side of the world from the Admins, as well, so I'd be able to Moderate at different times to them...

And thus goes Dan's first move to become the ultimate ruler of the forums...be afraid...be very afraid...

Melvin:squeeking paramite · #9 04-16-2002, 08:00 PM

I don't really like it... I mean, it would be nice, but it's utopian. Really, I doubt the admins would let it happen, members would get jealous and feelings would be hurt. And it would be pretty hard to pick who gets to go to the special *drools* forum, and who doesn't. (of course there are some who obviously won't get in...)

Vote for Dan! *slaps bumper sticker on Drag*

*waits for posts such as "Yah lets do it us good mmbers sood have a good plac e to syat!!!!

!!!! Yah!"*

Danny · #10 04-16-2002, 08:01 PM

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Originally posted by Dragadon
And thus goes Dan's first move to become the ultimate ruler of the forums...be afraid...be very afraid...

Shh! Don't reveal my plans this early in their execution! Here... *waves RPG Modship under Rach's nose* You can have this if you keep quiet...

Sl'askia · #11 04-16-2002, 08:04 PM

oooo *follows RPG modship title* aahhhhh

Danny · #12 04-16-2002, 08:15 PM

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Originally posted by Dragadon
oooo *follows RPG modship title* aahhhhh

*hides it in his pocket* You get that when I am Supreme Ruler of the Universe... Which won't happen if you keep blabbing my plans to anyone who'll listen... Comprende?

Sl'askia · #13 04-16-2002, 08:17 PM

*whines* yes sir...
*rips bumber sticker off her rear and slaps it on Mel's mouth*
I'm a dragon...not a car!

DarkHoodness · #14 04-16-2002, 08:18 PM

Alright, then. I suppose Dan being the mod of OT is a much better idea then making a whole new forum. I vote for Dan!

- DH

(BTW, MSN has died on me. It won't let me sign in.)

Danny · #15 04-16-2002, 08:30 PM

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Originally posted by Dark Hood
(BTW, MSN has died on me. It won't let me sign in.)

Ha! At least it let you on in the first place... I've been trying to sign in for an hour...

Statikk HDM · #16 04-16-2002, 09:31 PM

Yes, that and the fact that a good spammer or someone being a bit of a loudmouth on a topic can be quite exhilerating. really, though, wouldn't it get boring allways associating with the "upper crust" of the forums. The least to the greatest is what makes this site great, it is open to all unless they brek too many rules. the only thing i would like is the immediate banning of anyone who fakes their death or the death of someone else out of jest or malice. this is not so much of an issue now but it would go a long way.

Jacob · #17 04-16-2002, 09:33 PM

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don't post annoying topics

It really boils down to what you consider as annoying topics. I post topics and some people call them annoying, some say 'Death isn't a funny thing' *Looks at a few individuals.* and some say that i post some good stuff (Fun Facts...!!) Its like the rules on here...some may say 'What would you class as insulting' and it is really quite difficult as everyone has a certain definition of different things. My definition of insulting is using the 'C' word and the 'F' word. Some other peoples may be 'S' word and the 'B' word. But i think it is a relativly good idea...but then again...Sensible = boring rite? What would sensible people talk about...the Newz!?

Majic · #18 04-16-2002, 11:22 PM

That would be pretty mean, I mean we have actualy gotten a few arguments and topics out of the younger group. It might be nice, but then again its still not really fair, unfortunately our ultimate creator gave us morals, and stupidity, such a shame. And I vote for Danny, he does have good points, not to mention he posts and does very well debating, and knowledgable... And I'm sure he'd never take over the forums

Steve · #19 04-16-2002, 11:52 PM

*puts on "vote for danny" hat*

you could call it something completly different so that newbies wouldn't get annoyed.

-vote for danny-

Majic · #20 04-16-2002, 11:59 PM

We should make like a campaign thing, banner and all... Once we get Danny as OT Mod, we can have a person for tha' people. Or soemthing of the sort....

Doug · #21 04-17-2002, 12:30 AM

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Originally posted by Dark Hood
we could make a new forum, in which only sensible members are allowed in, and is blocked to normal users.

Members are allowed in depending on thier behaviour. If they are good enough, don't spam, don't post annoying topics, are good, aren't annoying, e.t.c., then they can be let in.

Sure, it might anger some of the spammers and the bad people, but who cares about them?

I'm all for a more consistently mature tone on the forums (I can't help it, I'm old and cranky), but unless you have readily ascertainable criteria for selecting members, and age is the only workable one I can think of, you have to put someone or some people in charge of selecting the members.

Who is to decide what is sensible, what it means to be bad? Sure, there are some obvious examples, the recent VSB incident to name an example. But there are many shades of gray, and what is sensible and what is spam is often in the eye of the beholder.

Who is to decide what an annoying topic is? To me, the On-Line Hike is the most annoying thread I've ever seen. It's the All-Spam thread that the Anti-Spam Brotherhood or whatever they called themselves suggested. However, it's going on 9 pages -- someone doesn't think it's annoying.

When Danny gets selected King of the Worl . . . er, Forums, what happens when he gets annoyed by someone who is eminently sensible and bans them? Will there be an appeal process?

As I said, I would like to have a more consistently mature tone at the forums. However, at least one person here has accused me of being immature. I completely disagree with his perception and definition of maturity -- it's a perfect illustration of the fact that determining who would belong to such a forum and who would be excluded would be an immensely complicated process, a process that I don't believe could be made fair.

abe22 · #22 04-17-2002, 01:53 AM

I like the idea of a seperate forum for sensible people. Great Idea

Sydney · #23 04-17-2002, 05:21 AM

I'm not too keen on creating an elitist forum.

Some good points have been made, and the answer to the forum's problems is simply stricter enforcement of the rules. I'm partial to a "no chances" regime, in which a member will be banned after having done something as crude as faking a death, etc. It's clear that the majority of those who've had warnings have nothing of real value to contibute to the forums, so from now on there'll be no chances.

Jacob · #24 04-17-2002, 06:11 PM

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so from now on there'll be no chances.

I dont like that rule. Does that mean no warnings aswell? Cos i dont think i have had n e warnings...have i?

Danny · #25 04-17-2002, 07:58 PM

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Originally posted by Doug
When Danny gets selected King of the Worl . . . er, Forums, what happens when he gets annoyed by someone who is eminently sensible and bans them? Will there be an appeal process?

Only if I get to select the Jury...

Really, I'd just have my Moderator Status removed. If I were you, I'd be more worried about Kristen and Sydney getting pissed off by someone... After all, who do they answer to?

Tex · #26 04-17-2002, 08:30 PM

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Originally posted by Danny

2. The restricting of the younger forumers to Zulag 1.
I like this idea because it would leave us still with an Open Forum, mainly, and most of the younger members spend most of their time in Zulag 1 anyway, while the older members tend to spend more time in Zulag 2. The downside to this is that people could easily lie about their age when joining. At least one forumer appears to have done this already, although I won't name names... (Let's just call him Mr. P, shall we?)

No sir, I don't like it. Most of the young'uns here are intelligent enough to have an elaborate conversation with an adult (when I say most of them, I mean me [just kiddin']

) and besides, who's gonna be there for you when you want to easily dominate an argument (*ahem, bring it

) In other words, this is what I'm trying to say: AAARGH! For christ's sake, don't throw me to them!

With that said, ermm......Vote for Danny!

(BTW, sorry if I offended anyone, just saying what's on my mind...)

Danny · #27 04-17-2002, 09:00 PM

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Originally posted by Tex
No sir, I don't like it. Most of the young'uns here are intelligent enough to have an elaborate conversation with an adult (when I say most of them, I mean me ) and besides, who's gonna be there for you when you want to easily dominate an argument (*ahem, bring it ) In other words, this is what I'm trying to say: AAARGH! For christ's sake, don't throw me to them!

Hehe... I like you...

How about an IQ test, instead of an Age limit?

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With that said, ermm......Vote for Danny!

If only the Forums were a Democracy...

Sydney · #28 04-17-2002, 09:32 PM

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Originally posted by Danny
If only the Forums were a Democracy...

*Muffled sniggering*

Tex · #29 04-17-2002, 10:39 PM

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Originally posted by Danny
Hehe... I like you...

Yay! I made a new friend today!

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Originally posted by Danny
How about an IQ test, instead of an Age limit?

Sounds good to me, just so it doesn't involve peeing in a cup or answering math questions!

Whistling kettle · #30 04-18-2002, 07:11 AM

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Sensible members need a place of their own

No