America; and the high reason for Violence.

Wolfpac · #1 02-15-2002, 09:16 AM

Now I'm not saying that America is Evil, but just why is it when you think of crime you think of America. Now I don't have proof but Per Capital, America is way up there. And why do school children go to school with guns wanting to kill people? The answer, Guns. Now Guns are as easy to get in the states, as cigarettes are to get for an underage person.

Now these Parent Groups blame Television. Well the news has more violence than normal TV shows. They blame Bands/singers because of the lyrics. Do the parent groups think we're Stupid? "Oh Look, So-and-so sang about raping woman. That sounds like fun let's do that too"? How can they think we are that stupid. Yes, we may not be wise, but we still have a brain.

Japan: Just look at that place. Violence in the Cartoons, Violence in the Comics. A lot of form of entertainment has to do with Sex and violence. Hell, they even sell School Girl Panties in vending machines. But dose Japan have a high rate of paedophilia or Violence. No. Why is that? Because guns are not legal in Japan. But in America they are.

So by getting rid of the Guns in America, you might get rid of the violence. Now if I remember correctly, there is a town in America where every citizen has to own a gun. And the Olympic State Utah has the highest rate of guns per capital. What is it with the love of Guns? A gun is one of the greatest symbols of violence, and with America fascination with them, it's going to be hard to break the Rot.

Teal · #2 02-15-2002, 10:21 AM

While I see where you're coming from, things are never so clean cut. Since they banned handguns here in the UK (and didn't they introduce more stringent controls on other guns?), haven't gun-related crimes have marginally increased?

Violence is harder to stop than simply banning something that is a tool of it. Did anyone else used to get told that "you are the hope for the future" when at school? That you were what the future hinged on, you could and WOULD make the future a better place - and yet schools are one of the major breeding grounds for violence, as I see it. Now, I'm not saying children are violent, but I'm sure everyone has had some experience of how obnoxious their peers can be at school if you happen to be different. You're ostracised for such simple things as having ginger hair, or acne - that's completely aside from racial or sexual grounds for bullying. And they're usually only percieved "sexual" reasons, as well - like towards the young boy who has a best friend he likes to play computer games with; Up goes the cry of "oh, you spend so much time with him that you must be gay." (Yes, that happens - my brother got it. And from a teacher, of all people. When you're young as he was (I think he was 10 at the time), it's a very cruel stigma to be given.) Vocal torment often escalates into physical, and habits are always easy to get into, and not so easy to break...

SeaRex · #3 02-15-2002, 07:31 PM

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Originally posted by Wolfpac
Japan: Just look at that place. Violence in the Cartoons, Violence in the Comics. A lot of form of entertainment has to do with Sex and violence. Hell, they even sell School Girl Panties in vending machines. But dose Japan have a high rate of paedophilia or Violence. No. Why is that? Because guns are not legal in Japan. But in America they are.

Yes, but the suicide rate in Japan is 7 fold easy compared to America. That doesn't really have anything to do with anything, but it's something to think about.

I do agree with you Wolfpac. Although I believe the reason for such behavior is the fact that the parental community of America has such a collective stick up it's ass (and yes, I did "borrow" that phrase from Eibu). And how many deaths and injustices has all of this censorship and restrictions prevented? Not one. If anything, it has caused more harm than good. If America could just let things be, children would know to expect such things on television and music, and not wig out by capping other kids or becoming rapists later on in their lives. Censoring has turned children into either sugary Christian fools, or complete morons who don't know how to deal with their own problems.

.... dear Odd, I contridicted myself like 20 in that post. This is so hard to explain...

Majic · #4 02-15-2002, 11:35 PM

ya know, banning guns might not be the whole answer. its the people that freak, otherwise your just gonna get more painfully stabbed and such. it would be impossible to take up all handguns and such in a place like the us. in fact, it seems more of stress and such to me. for instance, the kids were outcasts in the colombine shooting. their parents obviously didnt care aobut them, they didnt even notice the kids makin bombs in teh garage. gangs are more or less a cause of wanting to be beloved, like in frankenstien everyone hates the creature so theres no point left in life. muggers and robbers are pure greed. in america, we are a prospering nation, but unfortunately that creates greed and jealousy which makes people want more and more of what they dont have, because they are to blind to see that een the homeless here are better off then say people in afgahnistan are to today.and what you said about japanese not being violent, they have complete morals and liek what they have, not go for greed and money. the way to stop violence is in a sense inpossible because its just impossible to make some people to take what they have, and accept others that dont seem to fit in. the hate spreads from them, and get other gracious people mad. people in america think they should get bbest treatment, and shouldnt have to put up with upholds. some just want what they dont have and are usualy people with not much left ot live for, either that or they want what few people have lots of: money. people dont see that immigrants came to fit in, have a good life, some were not accepted in other countries. some humans though just cant see through the skin into what a person really is. others are just mentaly ill and have toruble thinking rationaly. there are all kinds of violence caused for reasons, unfortunately its just side affects of good things.
(and anyone who takes it offensively, i am not trying to make fun of other countries or say america is the best, i am simpily trying to tell why society itself is the cause.

Danny · #5 02-19-2002, 08:35 PM

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Originally posted by Teal
Now, I'm not saying children are violent...

Yes they are. They're nutters...

Guns are one factor. There are many others:

The high poverty rate increases crimes like Burglary and Mugging.

The Christian Far-Right (not insulting Christians here, so you know, just the Far-Right Evangelists that populate the Southern States), and it's emphasis on Marriage, has some influence on the high murder rate (Crimes of Passion, etc).

And yes, TV Shows and Computer Games. I'm not saying that kids try to copy what you see, but you'd be naive to deny that they become desensitised. When my mother was a child, they literally used to watch Doctor Who from behind the sofa. Now, with the proliferation of Violence and Gore, my little brother (7) can watch through the most horrific Horror Movies without even batting an eyelid...

There are more factors, but I can't be bothered to think of them...

Statikk HDM · #6 02-19-2002, 09:08 PM

This is the kind of society made me do it hogwash and guns are evil propaganda that I hear sometimes. But look at the weapons used to kill people, in Britain, a knife or blunt object is likely to kill you more than a gun. Wait a minute, that last sentence wasn't right: A PERSON wielding a knife or blunt object is more likely to kill you than a PERSON wielding a gun. You see, a nutjob can make bombs out of solidox from a local plumbing store, or poison you or strangle you or just beat you till you die or just be lazy and shoot you. But the problem is the person not the object the person uses. And yeah, guns are easy, quick and painless, but not number one on the death list by any means. In fact, I do not fear guns at all. Why? I live in a dinkey little town without huge gangs and without a lot of nutters and I don't put myself into bad situations. Just do something constructive to avoid being killed, and don't tease Tommy, the guy who has a mohawk, listens to Slayer and worships demon forces. Otherwise, he's liable to kill you. And I'm serious.

Fazerina · #7 02-19-2002, 09:38 PM

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Originally posted by SeaRex
Yes, but the suicide rate in Japan is 7 fold easy compared to America. That doesn't really have anything to do with anything, but it's something to think about.

There is such a high rate of suicide in Japan because Japanese people are perfectionists. They are hard working and they want to do everything perfectly or then they don't do it at all. If they do something horrible the first choice for them is to kill themselves so they wouldn't cause any more harm to their family. And they feel so embarresed and dissappointed with themselves that they just can't go on living. If for example a Japanese politician does something terrible (like politicians always do..

) he will immediately resign from his job and usually after that kill himself.

PinkHaired Mudokon CWR · #8 02-20-2002, 12:56 AM

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Originally posted by Danny
The Christian Far-Right (not insulting Christians here, so you know, just the Far-Right Evangelists that populate the Southern States), and it's emphasis on Marriage, has some influence on the high murder rate (Crimes of Passion, etc).

No comment.

Gluk Schmuck · #9 02-20-2002, 01:52 PM

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Originally posted by Fazerina
There is such a high rate of suicide in Japan because Japanese people are perfectionists.

That's why lots of original and brilliant games originated there!

If you don't want to make a comment, Pinky, don't post.

PinkHaired Mudokon CWR · #10 02-20-2002, 03:32 PM

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Originally posted by Gluk Schmuck

That's why lots of original and brilliant games originated there!

If you don't want to make a comment, Pinky, don't post.

You should talk MR. "No Farther Questions!"

Gluk Schmuck · #11 02-20-2002, 06:59 PM

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Originally posted by PinkHaired Mudokon CWR

You should talk MR. "No Farther Questions!"

I suppose you have a point...

...Anyway, guns are illegal here for as long as I can remember and there have been lots of horrific things in the news recently...

Majic · #12 02-20-2002, 08:40 PM

please, dont get into a fight. i want people to just stop ganging up on pinky for whatever reasons, and the no comment was refering to dan statement..... theres no reason for getting mad at stuff like that...

Sydney · #13 02-20-2002, 08:59 PM

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Originally posted by Majic_Abe
please, dont get into a fight. i want people to just stop ganging up on pinky for whatever reasons

I agree. I thought it was a nice gesture that Pinky wrote "No comment." It shows her ability to restrain herself when someone posts something she's been known to become inflamed with in the past.

SeaRex · #14 02-20-2002, 09:29 PM

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Originally posted by Danny
And yes, TV Shows and Computer Games. I'm not saying that kids try to copy what you see, but you'd be naive to deny that they become desensitised. When my mother was a child, they literally used to watch Doctor Who from behind the sofa. Now, with the proliferation of Violence and Gore, my little brother (7) can watch through the most horrific Horror Movies without even batting an eyelid...

Umm... yes? I'm not quite sure if that agrees or disagrees with my statement. I already screwed it up pretty bad...

And Faz, that is why I said "it doesn't really have anything to do with anything..."; becuase it didn't.

Fazerina · #15 02-21-2002, 07:40 PM

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Originally posted by SeaRex
And Faz, that is why I said "it doesn't really have anything to do with anything..."; becuase it didn't.

So..? It may have been irrelevant, but I can still comment on it, right?

Danny · #16 02-21-2002, 09:27 PM

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I'm sorry if I said something inflammatory, but I did say that I wasn't insulting Christians, just Far-Right nutters...

Thank you for your restraint, Quorisha.

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PinkHaired Mudokon CWR · #17 02-21-2002, 09:45 PM

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Originally posted by Danny
[Off-topic]

I'm sorry if I said something inflammatory, but I did say that I wasn't insulting Christians, just Far-Right nutters...

Thank you for your restraint, Quorisha.

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UH! MY Name is ugly! I wanna be called....

THE ARTIST KNOWN AS PINKY!!! Bwahaha!

It's spelled like this: jdsophfguisgysuifyuer

Also Dan, is that you in the clown make-up?

Danny · #18 02-21-2002, 10:08 PM

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Originally posted by PinkHaired Mudokon CWR

UH! MY Name is ugly! I wanna be called....(1)

THE ARTIST KNOWN AS PINKY!!! Bwahaha!(2)

It's spelled like this: jdsophfguisgysuifyuer(3)

Also Dan, is that you in the clown make-up?(4)

1. You've got a great name. Don't waste it...

2. Sydney? Change her name, like she asked...

3. Well, good thing you gave me the Phonetic Transcription... I could have really embarrassed myself there...

4. Yes, it is.

SeaRex · #19 02-22-2002, 07:36 PM

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Originally posted by Fazerina
So..? It may have been irrelevant, but I can still comment on it, right?

No! You can't!

Nay nay nay nay nay!!!