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Oddworld Kids these days!!!

Have you noticed how stuck-up, arrogant, and bastardly the brats nowdays are? I am getting so pissed off at them, I (most days) give them a knuckle in the ribs at school ‘cause they are acting like bitches. What’s wrong with them? Like they where brought up by savages! That anti-smacking bill is a load of crap, we should be able to punish our kids any way we want! But since they can’t, how are they going to keep their kids in order, lock them in their rooms? Ha, they’ll just climb out the windows!
How are parents going to keep those snots under surveillance, hmm?
Any thing happen to you from little brats? What did you do about it?
One of my things was when I was in town, looking in a clothes shop, this little, I dunno, he was about 10 or 11, and he went like, “That guy sucks, and get out of my way, bitch.”
This was went I was wearing a John Cena top, ‘cause I like wrestling. Anyway, I couldn’t whack him one, because his mum was a far bit off, then she glared at me like it was my fault! Yeah, blame the older, strange kid for swearing, stupid troll! But I got my revenge, by given him a shove when his mum wasn’t looking, and he fell over and started crying. I got outta there sharpish. XD But I would of punched him.
Plah! Children are getting wrapped up in cotton wool these days, and when all they need is a good cane! Anyone agree?
Probably not…
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Yes. Yes I do agree. I have a dislike for children. I hate the fact that they think shouting profanity makes them look 'big'. They just make an arse of themselves. The must be disciplined.
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And you KNOW you were a shit like that, back then, too.

Congratulations, you're your parents.
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YES!
OMG, I'll start with those brats at my work, they tear the whole place apart, and I have to clean it up, oh it is so fun making them do it though, when they're wiping up their own ciggarette buts and bits of cow.
Then there are those smartarses at my school no respect for those older than them, I've been at my school for five years, and they've been there for what? one, two? and they think they own the place, expecially bad on the bus, I have to control a pack of kids that think they know everything, and think they're tough becuase they fight in packs, and I have to not react becuase I'm going for a prefect role just so I can spit in their faces.
I mean seriously, I could take down two by speech, and three by force, but at the numbers they come in, it's impossible to win, and if you do, you get the "congratsilations, you beat up a group of kids two years younger than you speech", and I feel bad for beating up any kid younger than me anyway.
Then there's the kids that know they're immature like my brother, I always get in trouble becuase he's crying and going "MUMMY, DADDY, HELP ME! I'LL BE EVER SO GOOD", and he's 14 years old.

Arggh, they give me a headache, and technically, I'm one myself.
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It seems pretty shitty, but actaully kids are just as bad now as they were 10 years ago. I'm sure some of you used to go around pissing people off as kids - It's what you do. :P

Although maybe I do agree that these days, parents seem less responsible then they should be. And there's more low-life scumbags who have no hope in life 'cause they don't know what to do, so they make trouble for other people. That annoys me a hell of a lot.
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And you KNOW you were a shit like that, back then, too.

Congratulations, you're your parents.
If that was aimed at me, I'll have you know that I behaved as well as a could when I was a child, and that weas damn well.
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Any parent who has to take a hand to their child is a fucking bad parent for having to do so in the first place.

You'll find that in the vast majority of cases of troubled children it is usually the fault of the parents.

To paraphrase Pratchett (As I've forgotten which book it was in) People need some kind of exam to become parents, and not just the obvious physical.
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I behaved well too... Or tried to.. But that didnt seem to mean shit to my parents. Always got in trouble.. And I mean serious trouble.

I do dislike crazy kids... and most obnoxious kids... But I blame the parents.. Its like this kid in the movie theater.. he KEPT screaming.. His dad only took him out a couple of times, but mostly they just ignored it. That annoyed me so much.

But the sad truth is that most parents suck and have no idea what they are doing.. Or they do but don't give a shit.

My dad's GF spoils her youngest so much... He's done SO many crazy things, like threaten me and his sister twice with a knife... he even said he'd cut his moms throat while she sleeps, once he was mad.
He seriously scares me.
Bad mom I say.
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I try to be good, but sometimes if I've had a bad day at school or something then I can't help but get on my dad's nerves. My friend is really bad though. She shouts and swares at her parants whenever they have a go at her and she's always calling them names. Then she gets kicked out of her house and has to live with her gran for a week. And the younger kids on my school bus are always yelling and screaming and abusing the older kids. Makes me wonder what the parants are like. And don't get me started on how many twelve-year-olds I've seen smoking.
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in b4 child abuse shitstorm from Used.
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Child abuse shitstorm? Interesting notion...

I don't really care. The way I see, if there's any time for shit like that, it's in secondary schooling. If they're of any potential, they'll grow out of it, if not, they'll quiet down and enter the working class.
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I was a good kid, if not opiniated, but my parents beat me whenever I spoke back, even though they would later state that I was always right.
Then I began to flinch as a reaction from this beating, and all my peers saw this as a weakness, and from a non swearing, animal loving, peace keeping little kid, I became a kid in the center of trouble, always, even if I wasn't neccarly commiting it.
Serves my parents right. :P
And besides, people often hate people that act exactly as they do themselves, knowing this just adds to the hate (IMPOSTERS!!!:K).
Needless to say, the sweetest thing in the world is seeing a smartarse create piles of shit, expecting you to clean it up, and then being forced to clean it up himself.
That and clicking and watching the cofidence and security of someone wipe away, even when they're larger than you, you taste the fear, and then unleash hell.
I would say kids do grow out of it, but I know people (mind you they're my age), they get a bolliking, they're in tears, but the next day, they're back to their own habbits, becuase according to them, it's not their fualt, it's yours.
And I know others that have had sollid reflection times during films of kids getting bullied and killed, and they apologize for one day, then the next day if it's as if nothing has ever happened.
You can never change someone, they have to do it themself, that's what makes it so hard.
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Parents should be able to whack their kid over the head when they feel tis needed. If I were the parents of some of these kids these days, I'd throw them of a fucking building and they still wouldn't learn!

If my kid offends someone on purpose, whack to the head.
If my kid puts up a big mouth to me or anyone else, whack to the head.
If my kid even thinks of hurting someone or something, serious whack to the head.
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So you teach your kid not to be violent by beating the shit out of them?
Thank God you don't have children Havoc.
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Beating them teaches discipline, not violence.
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So you teach your kid not to be violent by beating the shit out of them?
Thank God you don't have children Havoc.
Actually, I think it's a shame Havoc doesn't have children. Children are little shit's these days because they are not scared of anything, because physical punishment is no longer legal.

A Kid could do something truly awful, but a detention doesn't bother them "It's only an hour of my time." or a Suspension is just "A day off school. " The banishment of a good smack, which would make sure the kid's would never do their misdeed again because they're scared of getting hit, is the biggest legal mistake in history. Look how kid's behave now.

It's not teaching them how not to be violent. It's making them scared of being violent.
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Would you beat a dog to teach it tricks? The analogy is fully justified.

Fear is the worst motivational emotion there is. It is far preferable to teach respect through love or kindness.
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Misbehaving and tricks are two completely different things. Most children know what is right and wrong, dogs don't, therefore, your simile is invalid.

Children must be disciplined, even if it ends up with them fearing their parents. Unfortunately, most children, especially adolescents, choose to do wrong.
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Would you beat a dog to teach it tricks? The analogy is fully justified.
If a Dog misbehaves a quick tap on the snout followed by a harsh sound will teach him not to do this because he doesn't like it. I trained my Dog not to bark at the Dinner table this way.
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I don't like children who act bad either. They make me so mad! I'd never let my child become a brat...well when I have kids. I wouldn't go so far as to beat my child. Maybe a hard spank or yell at them. Then make them go in there room with the door open.
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This is entirely disputable, children learn things through operant conditioning and vicarious reinforcement. Parents have the task of socialising their children to know the difference between right and wrong but a large majority do not. If a child is never taught simple ethical rules of humanity you cannot expect said child to abide by them.

My theory is that how a child behaves is majorly due to influences in the pre-school phase of their moral development, if a child is given a healthy, nurturing and stimulating environ then that should give them a good system of morals and values to use and abide to until they are old enough to formulate their own.

Many children, especially those living in council house areas, often have abusive fathers and busy/uncaring mothers. The child grows up deprived of love and attention and becomes the only things he has ever learned to be as he grows up.

There are of course always exceptions and cultural variations but I believe this applies well to most western world cultures.
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WOF: That sort of thing may be even earlier in development, if really possible, this sort of thing will be built up over time. However, I clearly recall being 5 years old and perfectly capable of conscious thought and abiding to morals. Maybe the overall reasons are lack of discipline, combined with the way society works these days meaning children almost rarely actually get to meet their parents, and parents not knowing what they're doing these days.

The best way to train animals tends to be rewarding them for good things more than disciplining for bad things, though you can't forgo the latter entirely. Maybe children aren't shown enough positive attention, the ones doing bad things in school often tend to disrupt the class and get more attention.

Everyone says the occasional beating (and this is hardly a daily occurrence or anything either) makes kids violent, and it doesn't. Maybe old discipline methods in schools should be returned. I have seen kids in school not caring about being tits in class because they have nothing to truly fear from the teacher as they can't do s*it to them, and this then results in children being able to physically and verbally abuse others and get no real punishment for it, and teachers aren't allowed to step in and break it up. They just have to watch them get pummeled. Being suspended is almost like an ASBO in a sense of not really being a punishment, and when they're given detentions, they just don't go. No one's forcing them to. Basically they're being taught it'd okay to attack other people physically etc., because no one is allowed to do anything to them. Why are the younger children virtually allowed to physically attack other people?

If it was daily with a belt or somethnig, then maybe it's a bit excessive, but a small tap, smack, whatever in the appropriate situation does no harm. My parent's (well, my dad) were in school at the time of canes and other teacher abuse, but they're not the ones trying to murder people. It's the younger generation of today whom the law and the parents, teachers (due to the law mostly) have been far too soft on. I mostly was good myself, and did get smacked, oh, maybe once or twice, but I haven't gone murdering people, and I am capable of thinking for myself to realise that hurting other people is wrong. The law acts as if children are 100% influenced by their parents, and that they can't think for themselves, which we all know is bullshit.

Occasional physical discipline is good. Too little or none isn't helping, but neither is it excessively. There needs to be balance.

Kids these days are actually complete assholes though, maybe it's the useless underaged parents generation. The majority of Year 9 and 10's now are complete little shits (I'm in year 11), and certainly when I was in those years, none one in the years above or below were such nasty morons. Also the observation of younger children than that, swearing unnecessarily and misbehaving. None of the sort happened to me or anyone I knew at those ages. A Year 8 group coming up to our school managed to get into a fight with each other when they were here, too. I mean, jeez.

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Parents should be able to whack their kid over the head when they feel tis needed. If I were the parents of some of these kids these days, I'd throw them of a fucking building and they still wouldn't learn!

If my kid offends someone on purpose, whack to the head.
If my kid puts up a big mouth to me or anyone else, whack to the head.
If my kid even thinks of hurting someone or something, serious whack to the head.
QFT.

I thought hitting was still allowed? At least in the UK, force is allowed except for if it causes bruising, which even then is quite pathetic. Parents aren't going to want to seriously harm their own child, and I can't even remember what made this idea come up in the first place. Children should be able to take the same damage they cause to others. And eye for an eye...

Also recently on the news, a family with a child already was denied an adoption because they occasionally hit their own child, despite being recommended by a childcarer, and the fact their current child is perfectly happy and healthy. She stated that she only maybe got hit "One or twice a year". That's a lame reason to deny a willing adoption. Their excuse was that the children they put up for adoption may have come from violent families and that the beating may mentally scar them with memories. Yeah. Right. Once or twice a year is going to do cause them to be a murder/rapist/suicide or whatever. If the child can't take on hit a year without heart attacking or whatever, then they shouldn't be up for adoption since the trauma of that will be far too great. I mean, come on.

The current law on childcaring fucking PHAILS, however.

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WOF: That sort of thing may be even earlier in development, if really possible, this sort of thing will...

...The current law on childcaring fucking PHAILS, however.
I agree with you completely.

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So you teach your kid not to be violent by beating the shit out of them?
Thank God you don't have children Havoc.
Why the fuck did I go after used? I should've known mudling would misnterpret the shit out of this and think that Occasionally disciplining child=OMG CHILD ABUSE.
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Well look at what wacking has done to me!
It's illegal for a reason, and several kids have died from it.
Also, who's to say the parents reason is justified, they could just disagree with their child.
It may seem like a good discapline system, but there are better ways, like rewarding them for their good, and also, you're not getting to the root of the problem either.
Your kid may be a jerk because you're a jerk, and so by beating him, you're just making things worse.
And if the beating method realy works, why do some parents still have to beat their kids if they're teenagers, even 17 year olds.
I still think finding the root of a childs issues, and treating that is the best sollution, if you don't have time to do that, then you don't have enough time for your kids, and you're a bad parent.
I would know becuase altough I'm not a parent, I have a brother, and I take care of him, aswell as the fact that I'm a kid myself.
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Well look at what wacking has done to me!
Ah, good point.
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Parents should be able to whack their kid over the head when they feel tis needed.
That's the part of your post I have a problem with. Most people I know would have extremely poor judgement on when is an appropriate time. When I was a kid I lived in fear of my dad because I never knew when a minor misdemeanor would incur his wrath or when doing something terrible would get ignored.
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Mudling's point doesn't make sense considering that now the occasional smack seems illegal, kids are worse behaved these days. Not having enough time for your kids is partly the moronic way our society operates these days. Society sucks.

Finding the root of a child's issues? It's preventing the child from becoming an issue in the first place.

There are better ways such as rewards, but bad behaviour can't go completely ignored, as I said, a combination is needed. Not too much negative, not too much positive.

Several kids have died from it? This is deliberate abuse from retards who shouldn't be parents. See below.

It seems sad that we have to maybe consider parenting lessons, so that parents can learn restraint but not be too soft. A balance is needed.
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But don't you see, there is still the possibilty, now that it is discouraged, it is alot less lickley for parents to over abuse the system.
And as Nate said, the parents judgement could be horrible, my parents reacted whenever I was against whatever they would say, I would get beaten up becuase I would stick up for someone they wouldn't like, or even give them constructive critisim, but they wouldn't hear it. Hitting a child robbs them of their willingness to stand up to oppressions.
Just like how children take out their anger on defencless animals, some parents take out their anger on their children.

Needing to resort to hitting them shows how weak or unwilling of a parent you are.
Oh, and kids have always been bad, they've just been afraid to show it.
Sure you didn't see the kids threowing tantrums, but when they grew up, they would be scared and changed becuase of it. I'm not talking about what it does to kids, I talking about what it does to people who have grown up.
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Well look at what wacking has done to me!
It's illegal for a reason, and several kids have died from it.
Also, who's to say the parents reason is justified, they could just disagree with their child.
It may seem like a good discapline system, but there are better ways, like rewarding them for their good, and also, you're not getting to the root of the problem either.
Your kid may be a jerk because you're a jerk, and so by beating him, you're just making things worse.
And if the beating method realy works, why do some parents still have to beat their kids if they're teenagers, even 17 year olds.
I still think finding the root of a childs issues, and treating that is the best sollution, if you don't have time to do that, then you don't have enough time for your kids, and you're a bad parent.
I would know becuase altough I'm not a parent, I have a brother, and I take care of him, aswell as the fact that I'm a kid myself.

OH MY GOD

WHAT HAS IT DONE TO YOU?

IT MAKES YOU POST THESE RIDICULOUS WALLS OF TEXT

THAT'S ALL I'VE SEEN IT DO

Give me some fucking evidence that parents beat 17 year olds, srsly, do it maggot.
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