Death.

Marvak · #1 07-24-2007, 11:35 PM

I'm just bored, and I wanted a philosophical discussion.

How do you see Death? What, in your opinion, happens after we die? Do we go to heaven or hell? Are we reincarnated into another body? Do we turn into ghosts, doomed to forever wander in purgatory? Do our souls travel to a new, different world, or are we cast into into complete and utter nothingness?
Or do you have another theory that you would like to share?
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We know that we don't know, and can never know. That's not the point of this thread. The point is to make guesses and share opinions, that is all. 8D okaywearehappynow.

Chubfish · #2 07-24-2007, 11:43 PM

I see that when you die you are casted into a world of nothingness, where you can't do anything because you are dead and nothing can happen. Or something like that.

looney-bin · #3 07-25-2007, 12:17 AM

There could be a Heaven and Hell. I mean we don't actual know what happens when we die since nooone's come back to tell us, so there couldn't be a reason for something not to be there.

Salamander · #4 07-25-2007, 12:48 AM

I am a Christian, thus I voted Heaven/Hell. If I was an atheist, I would have voted Nothingness.

Leto · #5 07-25-2007, 12:48 AM

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There could be a Heaven and Hell. I mean we don't actual know what happens when we die since nooone's come back to tell us, so there couldn't be a reason for something not to be there.

That's silly, then theres a reason for there not being anything too.

I am of the belief that if you believe in an afterlife, you'll have one.

E'l Scrabino · #6 07-25-2007, 12:57 AM

I think that when you die, you appear in a different world, sorta like afterlife, but it could be something you really enjoyed doing while you were alive... Like returning as a character in a book or a game.

Marvak · #7 07-25-2007, 01:30 AM

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I think that when you die, you appear in a different world, sorta like afterlife, but it could be something you really enjoyed doing while you were alive... Like returning as a character in a book or a game.

...That would be awesome. I wanna come back as Cal 8D

Zerox · #8 07-25-2007, 02:19 AM

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I think that when you die, you appear in a different world, sorta like afterlife, but it could be something you really enjoyed doing while you were alive... Like returning as a character in a book or a game.

That tends to be the sort of thing we'd like to happen, rather than the chances of it actually happening, though I'd like that alot. Who wouldn't?

Also, reincarnation is another appealing idea, but if it did happen, would we remember anything? Animals aren't as intelligent as us particularly, so would we think the same? We definitely wouldn't remember anything, otherwise there'd be all sorts of weird animal behaviour around.

I'd say nothingness, but such a thing is incomprehensible to the human mind, and maybe the thoughts of there being an afterlife at all was merely an attempt by earlier cultures to try to reject the fact that when you're dead, you're dead, screwed, whatever. Maybe there is something, but it's just completely impossible to ever be sure at all. Most of these sorts of things are completely incomprehensible, the thought of there being literally nothing before us, since the mind will be gone completely, and we will not exist in any way at all.

Marvak · #9 07-25-2007, 02:36 AM

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Maybe there is something, but it's just completely impossible to ever be sure at all.

We know that, I'm asking what you think will happen. *Edits first post*

Venks · #10 07-25-2007, 02:40 AM

Man there are so many possibilities. So many things I wish did happen.
I personally believe that there is nothing after death. You simply die.
This is becuase I am Atheist, I haven't believed in God for awhile. Which is due to me believing two things.
1) If God existed he wouldn't allow such horrible things to happen on Earth.
2) I believe that all religions were formed to explain the unexplainable. That and to clam people with fears. Such as fear of death.

Just my beliefs. I'm always keeping an open ear to what others have to say.

Bullet Magnet · #11 07-25-2007, 05:24 AM

I believe in life after death, being an atheist/ignostic. But not the afterlife kind, nor reincarnation, nor resurrection, I mean actual life after your death.

My body will decay and be returned to the bottom of the ecosystem and be reincorporated into a multitude of living organisms, some of them people, just as matter that was part of me has been part of countless other people and other organisms.

This new life will also die and undergo the same process as I for as long as there is life of Earth. Some would argue that this is no afterlife, but you can't get more lively than actual life! The matter of my current body will go through countless individuals and species, most of which do not yet exist, until the sun becomes a red giant, possibly engulfing the planet, perhaps letting it into a wider orbit. Eventually the sun will die, and a catastrophic event in the vicinity will destroy the sun's white dwarf remnant and the Earth's cinder, and scatter me and everyone else across the cosmos as a beautiful supernova.

And with a bit of luck, become a new planet orbiting a new star that might just develop life....

Alf Shall Rise · #12 07-25-2007, 07:04 AM

Since mankind totally destroyed and abused the Earth, when we die we'll be brought to a galaxy of nothing, so for the rest of eternity, everyone dead will have to be tortured. But not physically tortured, tortured in a way that you can't do anything, just wonder a very vast and huge open space of nothing. Forever.

SeaRex · #13 07-25-2007, 07:29 AM

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1) If God existed he wouldn't allow such horrible things to happen on Earth.
2) I believe that all religions were formed to explain the unexplainable. That and to clam people with fears. Such as fear of death.

1) Have you ever heard about the theory of God as a clockmaker? It's very interesting. You should check it out here. Not to be confused with the theory of God as a watchmaker, which has more to do with intelligent design.

2) It doesn't take religion to make people scared of death. The conviction of the afterlife is sometimes the greatest peace that a person can have. "Christians," in the truest sense of the word, aren't scared of death. They have unwavering faith in Heaven and unwavering faith (usually almost bordering on arrogance) in their own actions, so really, they have no reason to fear the hereafter.

Myself, I remain hopeful that there is some sort of afterlife, but my rational side won't let me commit to that idea nearly as much as the average Christian.

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You see, guys? It's not impossible to have a friendly religious debate on this forum.

Zozo the Zrilufet · #14 07-25-2007, 07:56 AM

I have a bunch of theories on death, like heaven and hell, reincarnation and that we kinda get divided, like a part of us stays in the afterlife and a part of us reincarnates.

Venks · #15 07-25-2007, 09:14 AM

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1) Have you ever heard about the theory of God as a clockmaker? It's very interesting. You should check it out.

2) It doesn't take religion to make people scared of death. The conviction of the afterlife is sometimes the greatest peace that a person can have. "Christians," in the truest sense of the word, aren't scared of death. They have unwavering faith in Heaven and unwavering faith (usually almost bordering on arrogance) in their own actions, so really, they have no reason to fear the hereafter.

You see, guys? It's not impossible to have a friendly religious debate on this forum.

1) I fathom their could indeed be a clockmaker though I don't think it has to be God or at least God as he is perceived to be.

2) You got me wrong. I mean that people feared death and had no idea what lay on the other side. Thus they accepted religion with its promise of Heaven/eternal paradise.
I view all the holy books as a way to explain the unknown to questioning people.

"How does the sun rise and set? And how do we know it will always continue to do so?" A man might ask. To which a religious man might answer, "The mighty god Helios pulls the sun across the world each day upon his noble chariot. It is his duty given to him by Zeus leader of the gods."

SeaRex · #16 07-25-2007, 02:18 PM

1) Well, the notion of a clockmaker (by definition) would directly describe God, as in the being that created the universe. Of course, as you said, this loose definition of God is not what most people think of when they think of the Christian God, which is perceived more as a supreme ruler than a supreme artificer*.

2) I was confused because I had never heard the word "clam" used as a verb before. I get the gist of what you're saying now, though.

*The phrase "supreme artificer" is ®, ©, and TM to SeaRex, 2007. All rights reserved.

***Nate*** · #17 07-25-2007, 03:09 PM

I don't get the point of the Clockmaker hypothesis; surely if He is not meddling in current affairs, it doesn't make any difference whether you believe in him or not. It's just atheism with an anthropomorphised Big Bang.

Patrick Vykkers · #18 07-25-2007, 03:18 PM

I believe in a beer volcano and stripper factory, as opposed to an endless Answers in Genesis conference.

SeaRex · #19 07-25-2007, 07:40 PM

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I don't get the point of the Clockmaker hypothesis; surely if He is not meddling in current affairs, it doesn't make any difference whether you believe in him or not. It's just atheism with an anthropomorphised Big Bang.

Not necessarily. I mean, I'd say the single act of creating the universe is enough in itself for eternal thanks. For example, I personally just don't believe in divine intervention, but I would like to think that some sort of higher power kicked off this whole mess.

Arrogant as it is to pretend to know God's will, it is my belief that He wouldn't interfere with human affairs simply because He gave us free will. In other words, He wants us to make our own decisions, and divine intervention would essentially negate the point of free will, chance, and the consequences of our actions. At least, that's my opinion.

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But then, of course, you get into the whole "God is dead" thing... and I really don't even want to touch that.

skillyaslig · #20 07-25-2007, 09:19 PM

I'll go to Hell. Yay

ZaxXx · #21 07-26-2007, 12:07 AM

Nothingness... it's like before you were born...

Leto · #22 07-26-2007, 12:15 AM

That actually made me think, ZaxXx. Never considered pre-birth before.

skillyaslig · #23 07-26-2007, 01:36 AM

Dunno. I really wont untill I snuff it, and I could die right now, by falling off the computer chair....

Patrick Vykkers · #24 07-26-2007, 01:59 AM

I'd love to die. Consciousness is simply torment for me now.

Laser · #25 07-26-2007, 02:46 AM

For me i think that every single soul is recycled since the dawn of creation but every 100 years there is a messiah with a brand new soul which hasn't ever been recycled and there one sole purpose to change the world for better or for worse or indeed what we persive for better or for worse.
Or to save someones life no matter how insignificant the person. Then after they are then they have gods ear in heaven.
Well thats how i imagine it

Abraham Lure · #26 07-26-2007, 09:11 AM

I really am undecided. I don't know what to believe. I want to believe in Heaven as my Grandfather was a good man who possessed talent and was extremely nice to all.

If there is a Heaven, a Hell and a Purgatory, I would defintely go to Hell or Purgatory if I died.

I believe that there is some form of Afterlife, be it a place of no Heaven but no Hell with no ascendence, it could be there.

But I have no idea.

Shadiela · #27 07-26-2007, 05:36 PM

I believe in reincarnation, with karma deciding what you will be in the next life and whether or not you will live a good one.

Facsimile · #28 07-27-2007, 03:33 AM

I don't understand people who believe in Heaven/Hell. Why would you believe that the is somewhere bad to go?

Oh that's right, because you're told to.

Anyway, I voted nothingness. "And it scares the hell out of me"

Hobo · #29 07-27-2007, 07:30 AM

And the end is all I can see?

Salamander · #30 07-27-2007, 02:13 PM

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I don't understand people who believe in Heaven/Hell. Why would you believe that the is somewhere bad to go?

Oh that's right, because you're told to.

If I believe that you do not exist, am I right? No. Believeing that that there is no bad place to go to would defeat the purpose of religion altogether, If was able to go to Heaven regardless of what I did, why would I bother believeing in any religion at all?
Religion is a package deal, it's not a pick and choose process.