Evolution or creation?

[Patrick Vykkers]

Just a little poll, to find out what the members of this board think. Me, I'm a theistic evolutionist.

[Strike Witch]

Athiestic Evolutionist.


If god exists, he owes me a bigger wang.

[Havoc]

Atheistic Evolutionist.

[Munch's Master]

I don't believe in Evolution in that we're from primates, but I do believe in evolution to a degree. I subscribe more to the 'always existed, always will' theory, but I don't think it's always existed, there must have been a start point and if not, then there must be something more to the universe, whether another universe or God.

[Mutual Friend]

Anybody who disbelieves evolutionary theory is a complete and utter, utter fool.

I voted for atheistic evolution.

[looney-bin]

Evolution. Afterall, who says God didn't create that?

[Hobo]

Can someone explain what some of the more obscure options mean to me please? I'm too tired to Wpedia

[Patrick Vykkers]

Complete rundown:
Atheistic evolution: Evolution alone created all life. Think Richard Dawkins.
Theistic evolution: God/other deity used evolution to create all life. Think Pope John Paul II.
Intelligent design:God directly interfered in most of the universe's history and evolution. Think Discovery Institute
Old Earth Creationism: The Earth and all life was created by God/other deity, but is billions of years old. Think the more moderate Baptists.
Young Earth Creationism: The Earth and all life was created by God/other deity within less than billions of years (typically 10000 years). Think Kent Hovind.
The universe/life has always existed: Self explanatory. Think most Pacific religions.

[Nemo]

If god exists, he owes me a bigger wang.

Qouted for truth.

[toxicity]

Athiestic Evolutionist.


If god exists, he owes me a bigger wang.

Damn right!

[munchman]

Athiestic Evolutionist

[Zerox]

Personally, I'm not saying God doesn't exist or anyhing, but since He/She/It/Thing is GOD ITSELF, then they can do anything. That means they know everything, and so know the whole future of the world. Therefore, why bother with humans in the first place? They'd know what'd happen.
And why would they bother with all the other planets and everything? If it's anything to do with making 'perfect' conditions for life, just change the laws of physics at will.
And maybe, the whole Creation story, why'd it take 7 days? And why would GOD, THE GOD need to rest? It's friggin' God, for pete's sake. Plus Adam and Eve is a load of toss.

So, unless you're a complete moron, you can see where I'm going.

[Arxryl]

Yes I do see where you are going. I have often asked myself those questions. Why did he create us if he knows where everything is going to end up? But then I answer my question with, "Who knows? But if he didn't make us (or more bluntly if we never existed ourselves,) than we wouldn't have any Oddworld games, or any video games period." and then I go and revive my appreciation for video games by going and playing them. In a non-sexual manner.


I voted for theistic evoulution by the way.

[6-finger-fred]

Personally, I'm not saying God doesn't exist or anyhing, but since He/She/It/Thing is GOD ITSELF, then they can do anything. That means they know everything, and so know the whole future of the world. Therefore, why bother with humans in the first place? They'd know what'd happen.
And why would they bother with all the other planets and everything? If it's anything to do with making 'perfect' conditions for life, just change the laws of physics at will.
And maybe, the whole Creation story, why'd it take 7 days? And why would GOD, THE GOD need to rest? It's friggin' God, for pete's sake. Plus Adam and Eve is a load of toss.

So, unless you're a complete moron, you can see where I'm going.

I se where you're going, but you have to realise the bible was written a while ago. 7 days made sense to them, but it was probaly millions of years, hence, evolution.
Oh, by the way, theistic evolutionist.

[Havoc]

Yes I do see where you are going. I have often asked myself those questions. Why did he create us if he knows where everything is going to end up?

I think he just likes to play The Sims... you know, on a larger scale.

[Nate]

Personally, I'm not saying God doesn't exist or anyhing, but since He/She/It/Thing is GOD ITSELF, then they can do anything. That means they know everything, and so know the whole future of the world. Therefore, why bother with humans in the first place? They'd know what'd happen.
And why would they bother with all the other planets and everything? If it's anything to do with making 'perfect' conditions for life, just change the laws of physics at will.
And maybe, the whole Creation story, why'd it take 7 days? And why would GOD, THE GOD need to rest? It's friggin' God, for pete's sake. Plus Adam and Eve is a load of toss.

So, unless you're a complete moron, you can see where I'm going.

But you're trying to think about god as a human, with human-logic. It just doesn't work.

As for resting; it doesn't mean rest in the "Gee, I'm pooped! I'm going to flop down in front of the telly" way. It means rest in terms of "I was working and now I'm not". And as for seven days: god loves his numerical symbology.

As for the actual topic of the thread: I'm not answering because my opinion changes too regularly for me to pin it down here.

[Bullet Magnet]

If this turns into another evolution versus creation debate instead of poll, I'm gonna be pissed. Those on DeviantART already steal my life away.

It says six days. The seventh was a lie-in.

Besides, in the original Hebrew I don't believe it specifies days. I think Nate can clear this up, but I think the word used means a period of time, not simply "days". A lot of subtleties are lost with all the pre-english translations, which is why I think that believing anything written in the English version is a very dumb thing to do. Not a bash at Christianity, just a general lack of common sense amongst monolinguals.

[Havoc]

(Not so) intelligent design: Adam came first, Eve was made from his rib. Scientific factual theory would suggest they share the same DNA so any offspring they create are all inbred retards. Result = Ameri... Uh... Chris... No... Yea wait how do you explain that in a logical way? How did we ever get past the first 2 or 3 retarded inbreds?

[used:)]

Personally, I'm not saying God doesn't exist or anyhing, but since He/She/It/Thing is GOD ITSELF, then they can do anything. That means they know everything, and so know the whole future of the world. Therefore, why bother with humans in the first place? They'd know what'd happen.
And why would they bother with all the other planets and everything? If it's anything to do with making 'perfect' conditions for life, just change the laws of physics at will.
And maybe, the whole Creation story, why'd it take 7 days? And why would GOD, THE GOD need to rest? It's friggin' God, for pete's sake. Plus Adam and Eve is a load of toss.

So, unless you're a complete moron, you can see where I'm going.

Just keep in mind that Earth isn't really considered any paradise. Earth is the grey zone in fact. Limbo. The seven days weren't our kind of days. It's seven god days. And it's only seven days because seven is the perfect number.

The Bible makes much more sense if you between the lines about things. Tower of Babel = perfect metaphor for the values of teamwork. It's the fundementalists that have things wrong. Not Christians in general.

[Nate]

Besides, in the original Hebrew I don't believe it specifies days. I think Nate can clear this up, but I think the word used means a period of time, not simply "days". A lot of subtleties are lost with all the pre-english translations, which is why I think that believing anything written in the English version is a very dumb thing to do. Not a bash at Christianity, just a general lack of common sense amongst monolinguals.

No, it literally says days. Plenty of people have interpreted this as being a symbolic day (or era) but that doesn't have much logic behind it.

[Patrick Vykkers]

Scientific factual theory would suggest they share the same DNA so any offspring they create are all inbred retards. Result = Ameri... Uh... Chris... No... Yea wait how do you explain that in a logical way? How did we ever get past the first 2 or 3 retarded inbreds?

How completely non racist towards Americans. Bravo, sir.

[used:)]

Too bad Americans aren't a race.

[Patrick Vykkers]

Alright then, anti nationalist.

[Nate]

Either way, your post was like being shocked at the sun for being hot or concrete for being hard or Peter for being... well let's just not go there.

[Patrick Vykkers]

What if I assumed that all Australians were inbred retards? All Pakistanis? All Nicaraguans? Wouldn't that be bigoted and wrong?

[Mutual Friend]

As the man's already said: No.

[Nate]

What if I assumed that all Australians were inbred retards? All Pakistanis? All Nicaraguans? Wouldn't that be bigoted and wrong?

I didn't say he was right. Just that anyone who's been on OWF for more than a week should already know Havoc's opinion on the matter, as he does make it undeniably clear.

[Majic]

Somewhere between atheist and theist evolution. Evolution has happened and will happen; you can't get around that. On one hand, I'm all for atheism. But my reasoning is more akin to the fact I don't believe there's an active god that involves themself in regular affairs. Which just as easily fills the quota for deism. But for the sake of classification, I'll stick with atheistic evolution. Not to say I don't believe in some sort of psuedo-spiritual, complex underlying force that directs day to day actions.

[Havoc]

How completely non racist towards Americans. Bravo, sir.

You need to go out and buy some humor pills. Everyone here knows I like to make American jokes.

[6-finger-fred]

I'm american and I think it's pretty funny.