RELIGION TOPIC (Fi-nal-ly)

[Abeguy]

okay, I want this to be a clean fight,
If you have anything bad to say about any religion, KEEP IT OUT.
If you are an atheist please refrain from slapping anyone down for believing in a higher power.

I welcome any religion
Christianity (All branches)
Judaism (Chasidic to Messianic)
Buddha
Hindi
Muslim
Wicca
and any legit religions you throw in

If you have any Burns to throw my way, PM them to me, It'll give me something to read.

Let the holy brawl begin

I'm wondering if clicking the submit button was really a good idea



could you make it a sticky maybe?

[oddveteran93]

Yes, finaly indeed. I am a Catholic Christian, not to be confused with Ortodox Christian. I believe in God and Christ. I am also partly Odd and I believe that Oddworld is somwhere out there.

[Cullen Heath]

I'm wondering if clicking the submit button was really a good idea

IT WASN'T!
You have no idea how much flaming this will cause.
I really don't think that this thread should be started.....or all chaos will run freely.

[Abeguy]

then PM the flaming to me, email it to me. if thats the sacrifice I have to make to create this topic, so be it

[a flock of seagulls]

[Hides in case Dino and Used show up]
I'm kinda akward, religion wise. I believe that every religion is true, and you'll get to your heaven/Allah/reincarnation/whocares if you follow that religion's rules. So its a pussy way out of sticking to one religion, but oh well.

[Havoc]

Bout time this thing was made. I've been thinking about it for ages now, I was about to now if it still wasn't here :P. Go Abeguy for putting his ass on the line .

Now, to put my own ass on the line. Behold my definate and full view on religion.

I'm not religious, not in gods and stuff anyway. I went to a christian school for 10 years, I joined in prair every single morning for the first 5 years and we read bits and pieces of the bible twice a week. Even still, I see the bible as nothing more then another fairy tale. A nice story written just for the heck of it by someone who was bored. Reason for that, the entire book doesn't make sense. It has to many plot holes and things that don't add up. Biggest example is prolly; Where were the dinosaurs?! God made earth, light, sun, water blabla. Adam and Eve, fine. All great, but where were the dino's that excisted in the early days of the earth? We found plenty of skeletons, but their not mentioned in the bible anywhere, not even one tiny case. Next to that, even if they were, I don't see an ice age, I don't see a big meteor hit... All I see is 40 days of rain and a bunch of animals on a big wooden ship. And that, while the ice age and the big bang (I think) are all scientific facts.
So why were they not in the bible? Because when the bible was written, no-one knew about what happen in the past, so they filled up the gap with their own stuff.

Second plot hole: The first humans on earth where Adam and Eve. Both white, yes? Then where come black people from? They some allien race?
Fact is that white people are nothing more then a colour mutation, just like white tigers are a mutation of normal bengal tigers.
White mutations can come from black parents, but not vice versa. A white couple can not give birth to a black baby. And that right there throws the entire first part of the bible out of the window. First people on earth couldn't possibly have been white.

I could go on, but I don't feel like reading the bible just to get the things that don't add up. I know there are a lot more things though. Anyway, it's this way of logical thinking that made me a non religious person. Would things actualy have been added up, then I'd prolly be christian right now.

No, instead I just believe in the idea that there is SOMETHING out there. What it is? No idea. If there is something out there, I'l see it when I'm dead. And untill then I just live my life, not bound by books or invisible guys in the air telling me what I can and can not do.

People can't comprehend the universe. Our brain limits us to do so. The human mind is not build in way so it can comprehend something not having a boundry. Everything needs to have limits, thats the way our mind works.
But you just try to figure out where the universe STOPS, and what is BEHIND that point? See? Impossible to figure out. Thats where religion kicks in as well. We have earth, we have a blue sky some call heaven, and near the core of the earth apparently we have hell. Anything past that doesn't matter, because we don't need to look there, right? Religion: The excuse to escape from real life.

[oddveteran93]

I respect that. Even though I'm Catholic, I won't go around trying to convert people on the streets and the forums.

[used:)]

You better not. And Abeguy, it's spelled Wicca, not Wikka.

I have my own agnostic beliefs.Many of whihc concern a samsara like do hicky. I base my belifs on a few incidents which could greatly be considered cooincidents. I also base my reincarnation belifs off people I know today wyhihc sound strikingly similar to people I read about who lived ages ago.

[OANST]

I worship Satan. You wouldn't believe the things he can do with that pitchfork.

[Dancing Steef]

I'm a Protestant Christian and I love God with all of my heart - no other of the religions God(s) can take his place

I worship Satan. You wouldn't believe the things he can do with that pitchfork.

...and you wouldn't believe what God can do with his mighty power


~DS~

[OANST]

Maybe not, but I doubt any of them would feel quite as nice.

[SeaRex]

Nondenominational Christian.

Although I dislike the word "Christian" because it has so many negative connotations, I believe in God and Christ as Savior. I do not even attend church, because I believe that one should know Christ on the individual level, instead of adopting the ideas of others. Church can be helpful with reaffirming faith, I suppose, but it's just not something that I wish to take part in, partly because of the aforementioned negative connotations associated with Christianity; blind hatred and intolerance are extremely detrimental to what I believe Christ was trying to teach the world, but have sadly become synonymous with the Christian faith.

Also, I have no moral quandary with yielding to a Higher Power. Pride is an ugly thing, and humbleness has its own rewards. Spiritually. For me, at least.

There. Just throwing that out. Not trying to push anything on anybody.

[Havoc]

Maybe not, but I doubt any of them would feel quite as nice.

That would explain the text in your signature...

I like how you treat your religion, SeaRex. If only more people would do it that way.

[T-nex]

Hmmm I don't really have any belief... Havoc pretty much summed up everything i wanted to say...

What i'm interested in is knowing how religious people tackle the fact that there were dinasaurs not mentioned on the bible and stuff... And the Eva and adam thing that Havoc mentioned.

BTW Havoc, bigbang is not a fact, it's a theory.. i think...

[Rex Tirano]

Yeah, the Big Bang is just a creation theory, there are many others but that's the most popular with scientists and the general population. But there is as much evidence for the creationist theory [God created the world, etc.] as there is for the Big Bang theory.

I don't believe in the creation theory, but you can't rule it out because of the evidence.

- Rexy

[Nate]

Second plot hole: The first humans on earth where Adam and Eve. Both white, yes? Then where come black people from?

It doesn't say anywhere in the bible that Adam and Eve were white. That's just western superiority. There are some religious theories regarding the racial spread in the world, though most are fairly unlikely. They mostly involve the flood and the tower of Babel. One questionable interpretation (used to justify slavery and still used by white-supremists) is that Noah's son Ham was punished for lewd behaviour so that all his descendants were black.

So, really, I don't have any answers there. Just know that you're not going to convert any believers with the race point.

In terms of dinosaurs: some people say that the world was created 'fully formed' - meaning that the dinosaurs, ice ages and carbon dating was set in by creation. Some people say that God used evolution as a tool and that the six days of creation are meant figuratively for the six ages of the universe (big bang, forming of stars and planets, etc). My personal favourite interpretation is based on the Kabbalah story that the world has been created and destroyed six times - each time God set the world 'tasks' but the world did not fulfill them. So we're currently in the seventh and final incarnation of the world. And you can see that in the past billion or so years there have been six major extinctions that wiped almost all the life off the planet.

I'm not trying to convert anyone here, I just find it interesting.

[Havoc]

On illustrations pretty much every character in the bible is portrait as white.
It's not my goal to convert believers into non believers. I'l leave the vice versa situation up to the church. I was merely stating my views on things, and the reasons why I treat the bible as just another fairy tale.

The Kabbalah story you mention sounds interesting enough. I think they used that story in The Matrix :P as well. It's not something that would draw me over the line though. This planet is toast no matter what happens. Tommorow, next week, or in a few hundred years. We raped this planet to death pretty much and IMO we don't have to look at the skies to see who is responsible for that, all we need is a mirror.

But like I said, I'm not judging anyone for what they believe in (well there are exceptions), I'm judging the religion itself, because I just find it strange that people believe in something you can't see, hear or touch.

[Joe the Intern]

You have no idea how much flaming this will cause.

It won't cause any, because no one here has the balls to call anyone else on their bullshit. You're all a bunch of pussies who won't speak your minds because you're afraid of offending people.

[OANST]

You must not have read the pedophile thread.


Cocksucker

[Joe the Intern]

Cocksucker

Now you're getting it.

[OANST]

You'll get my cock.......to suck.......I mean....if that's okay with you........maybe.....

[SeaRex]

It won't cause any, because no one here has the balls to call anyone else on their bullshit. You're all a bunch of pussies who won't speak your minds because you're afraid of offending people.

I call bullshit, because that was pure bullshit.

[used:)]

I agree. Yo busco el verdad.

[a flock of seagulls]

Actually, I agree with JTI.
Most people are afraid to speak their minds because someone will get offended.
But back to religions.
Probably the wierdest religion I've heard of is pastafanariaism(sp?).
Is anyone else here an actual follower of this?

[Kimon]

My friend and I founded a religion called Rupism, where we worship the seven "RUPERTS", which are just lines. There is one line for each day. Monday is Righteousness, Tuesday is Understanding, Wednesday is Playfullness, Thursday is something I forgot, Friday is something else I forgot, Sunday is Tumultuous Fun and and Sunday is Sunday. We are two prophets, known as Fahxwaldo the Lanky and Justinian the Puffy.


Awww, yee.

[Leto]

Actually, I agree with JTI.
Most people are afraid to speak their minds because someone will get offended.

**** you, fatass, go sleep wit'cho mamma.

I think OWF is pretty loose in that catergory. I mean, look at some other tightass forums, like TES forums. You get a warning for saying '****', and someone becomes a mortal enemy if you tell them to 'shut up'.

{Insert religion commentary}

[mitsur]

I'm Christian, but I don't really like going to church because it seems like all they can talk about is how great God is, how God did this, God did that, blah blah blah. It's like that are uncapable of saying how bad a custodian He is. I mean, look at the world today. Millions starving, illiterate, and dying every day. If he actually did all of what it says in the Bible, why can't he help us out?

Plus they sing to much, and I am a horrible singer

[Nate]

On illustrations pretty much every character in the bible is portrait as white.

That's because the paintings are done by white people.

The Kabbalah story you mention sounds interesting enough. I think they used that story in The Matrix :P as well.

Yeah, The Matrix was a mishmash of religious references. Quite apart from the fact that Neo was obviously Jesus.

When I can be bothered, I'll try and explain my current stance on religion. But first I'll have to decide what it is.

[used:)]

Not to mention the city of Zion, plus all the names of the team people and stuff. Morhpeus god of sleep.

[metroixer]

Well I am teh christian. My parents ain't christian which make sthem think i'm wierd :P. But whatever. I have learned a long while ago that saying "RPNT!" in public can lead to bad things. (Getting kicked out of a water park for example >____>). Anyway I don't really care now if people don't believe in God. I'vebecome nuetral IME.