I say we kick the shit out of idiots for a laugh...

Dino · #1 05-11-2005, 06:06 PM

Since Off Topic is really fucking boring at the moment, how about for really stupid threads we leave them open, and just let people flame the crap out of the idiot newbies that have been plaguing the forums lately?

It would provide entertainment (some of the people here are incredibly funny when they're flaming people), discourage newbies from making stupid mistakes, and potentially cause numerous idiots to leave in a very entertaining "OMG I CANT TAKE IT ANYMORE!" manner.

All in favour?

Gretin · #2 05-11-2005, 09:48 PM

No, I for one am not in favour.
You yourself said:

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Yes, stingbee was annoying, but oh my fucking GOD is this thread REALLY necessary?

I hope you don't get a warning for this Kimon, this really isn't like you and I have no idea what compelled you to post this shit. Making public threads solely dedicated to mocking people, regardless of how irritating you find them, is just plain wrong.

Now let's round this crap up here and pray for an early closure before anything stupid is said

And, yes, I know that what you just suggested would not be making threads, but I still believe it is "just plain wrong." Yes, some members can be extremely irritating at times, but I believe that's the moderating team's job to try and stop them.

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Respect is a key issue here. We expect that every member will be considerate of other members’ feelings and opinions. Everyone has the right to express his or her opinion, as long as it isn't posted with malicious intent. Such things as offensive language, flaming, using vulgarities or posting sexually explicit material is deemed as a spiteful attack against the receiving member(s). You can discuss or challenge members' opinions, but do so respectfully and thoughtfully.

Now, it's time for me to hide under a rock from the explosion...

Leto · #3 05-12-2005, 12:27 AM

Dino for presidente! Most definatley in favour. Ever since March the forums have been overun with n00bs, per se... Especially Off Topic Discussion. I mean, it isn't as interesting as it once was...

Coolmanbizkit · #4 05-12-2005, 06:57 AM

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Dino for presidente! Most definatley in favour.

Amen to that! Im in favour

Sinlight · #5 05-12-2005, 07:39 AM

He, you say "kick the shit out of the idiots". Yes, that would be amusing, beating somone up with words on an internet forum. LOL

Oddish · #6 05-12-2005, 07:43 AM

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Ever since March the forums have been overun with n00bs, per se... Especially Off Topic Discussion. I mean, it isn't as interesting as it once was...

Well this is a forums, we're people come and go. It's probably becuase of SW release.

Rich · #7 05-12-2005, 08:32 AM

I support him, even though it's hypocrital and contradictory considering what he said in the other thread.
I think it would be funny.

Dino · #8 05-12-2005, 06:26 PM

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I support him, even though it's hypocrital and contradictory considering what he said in the other thread.
I think it would be funny.

It is slightly hypocritical yes... but Kimon was making a silly mistake just openly furthering hatred toward stingbee... there was no point in it. I understand that a lot of people hate stingbee and I can honestly say I see exactly why. But we don't need to make new threads just to piss on people for no reason - lets just wait till we have a good excuse like them being idiotic...

What I'm saying here is that basically, we SHOULD teach idiots a lesson if they make really really stupid mistakes, because not only does it show that person that there are consequences to being an idiot, but also it shows all the other would-be morons around the forums that you can't get away with this sort of stuff. Plus it's entertainment.

Part of our problem at the moment is that despite how much we tell these people that they should read the rules, guidlines, FAQ and whatnot before they post, they still don't do it - no matter how many suggestions, they don't change their behaviour. They are wasting the time and resources of our moderators, they wind us all up, and despite all that we're supposed to just remain diplomatic and polite.

Heck I mean I'm not trying to start a crusade here but isn't about time we showed these people that idiocy gets them nowhere? If these people realise that good behaviour keeps them out of trouble, they might actually stand a chance of falling in line.

And we might stand a chance of being entertained.

Vote Dino for mayor.

Majic · #9 05-12-2005, 06:32 PM

If anybody starts an open flame war in Off Topic, even if directed at an idiot, I'm closing it. Tough break. I simply don't see the pleasure and/or entertainment in relentless mocking.

Dino · #10 05-12-2005, 06:36 PM

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If anybody starts an open flame war in Off Topic, even if directed at an idiot, I'm closing it. Tough break. I simply don't see the pleasure and/or entertainment in relentless mocking.

Just because you don't doesn't mean nobody else does, killjoy. Anyways, why would a moderator support the cause of idiots? All we're asking for is permission to flame people for uber stupid mistakes - if it's not uber stupid you can close it. Not like we're being unfair or anything.

Kimon · #11 05-12-2005, 06:46 PM

I would absolutely love the chance to have an official "Kick the Shit out of Losers" thread. But then I'd feel bad about making fun of people. At which point I'd drown my sorrows in alcohol and motor oil.

Anyway, if someone deserves an Internet beat-down, I'm all for it.

Leto · #12 05-12-2005, 09:33 PM

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It's probably becuase of SW release.

Yes, yes it was.

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If anybody starts an open flame war in Off Topic, even if directed at an idiot, I'm closing it. Tough break. I simply don't see the pleasure and/or entertainment in relentless mocking.

You are definatley acting like the adult within this group of bashers, but how can you not find mocking people even remotely amusing? :P

Hobo · #13 05-12-2005, 11:12 PM

Abuse them in a constructive manner. Don't just post flames. Prove all their opinions are wrong and all that.

Leto · #14 05-12-2005, 11:17 PM

Yes, now that IS fun.

Yes, we would never just say "oi u a asshole u suck ahaha", we would bum them out totally so they would never return to this place.

Rich · #15 05-13-2005, 08:50 AM

Dino, Hobo and Super Munch. I agree with everything you guys have said. All we need now is Alcars approval, I'm sure Hobo can win that for us.

Oddish · #16 05-13-2005, 09:11 AM

Have fun guys, but just remember not some "idiots" as yous say, want to start flaming. Becuase some of those become upset and take it very serously.

I'm bored.

Esus · #17 05-13-2005, 11:12 AM

You can't prove their opinions are wrong because they don't display opinions. They could be bots; they tend to make similar posts with limited grammar, terrible spellings and only of a lines substance. Often with things akin to 'do u like mulok i do'

Majic · #18 05-13-2005, 12:12 PM

If it's an actual person, always attempt constructive advice first. Keyword, advice. Keep it friendly. If that doesn't make a difference, that's when the harsher, INTELLIGENT criticisms come into play. Anything along the lines of "You're an idiot" yields little productivity. And I wouldn't count on Alcar supporting the cause, either.

Dino · #19 05-13-2005, 04:55 PM

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Abuse them in a constructive manner. Don't just post flames. Prove all their opinions are wrong and all that.

Yes, that would be what we would do. Posting random flaming isn't funny, but being an asshole in a constructive way is incredibly funny.

God I come up with all the best ideas.

Dino · #20 05-13-2005, 05:09 PM

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And I wouldn't count on Alcar supporting the cause, either.

That so, grasshopper?

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I don't see why people can't just go and belt whoever it is you're angry with.

Alcar...

AquaticAmbi · #21 05-13-2005, 05:35 PM

That is completely out of context, I believe. Alcar meant that some people come on the forums to vent anger they have built up because of someone else. He can't see "why people just can't go and belt" those who they are actually mad at instead of displacing their anger on the forums.

As far as this subject goes, I say let those who have no spammed/broken a forum rule, cast the first flame.

There's nothing wrong with constructive criticism. Or if needed, a bit of a harsher tone and maybe some tasteful satire/sarcasm. But full out abuse won't solve anything... So much for humaneness.

Dipstikk · #22 05-13-2005, 06:31 PM

Dino, I've done my fair share of humiliating, but I don't think we should take every new member of a month or so and burn them to a crisp. If they break a rule, then fine. But you don't just go and harass someone if they're not doing anything.

There have been members who had started out as the "idiots," as you call them, and turned into productive members of the forums. (I myself never used chatspeak, but I had a really cutesy attitude during my humble beginnings.)

In all honesty, I don't think Alcar would condone this. That's just not the kind of person he is . If you want a Moderator who would happily adopt this idea of yours, I think you're better off asking someone like Disgruntled Intern (who seems to have disappeared after his "You guys are just jerks" post). I've been here for at least 5 years or so, and in my time here I've come to know that Alcar would never just flame the everloving f*ck out of someone, escpecially not a new member.

On a side note: Dino, there's no reason for you to be double-posting, especially since you're the one who started this whole "Down With the Noobies" campaign. If you're trying to deal with people who break the rules, it's best to keep your own nose clean.

Dark Oddworld · #23 05-13-2005, 06:55 PM

Is it just me or I'm I the only newbie here who isn't trying to spam or make stupid threads.

Dino · #24 05-13-2005, 08:36 PM

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Is it just me or I'm I the only newbie here who isn't trying to spam or make stupid threads.

I dunno, I'd say your gumball thread was pretty fucking stupid. But that's besides the point.

People, people, people, you aren't hearing what I'm saying...I'm not condoning the random flaming of newbies - quote me please where I ever said newbies. You made the assumption that by idiots I meant newbies, which tells me that you yourself believe newbies to be idiots.

I'm talking about idiots who do stupid things - not nice new members who talk coherantly and make a good contribution. Sometimes a newbie makes a mistake, and I think that we should help them out. But there are also stupid people who make the mistake of pissing us off, and often they get their asses saved by moderators who close their threads before anyone can really say what they feel and properly tell them off for it. Why do we reward these people for their idiocy? They get to cause all this trouble and get barely anything back except mirth in the knowledge that they're probably causing blood pressure to rise. Either that or they are so clueless that they don't even know what they are doing and need waking up to reality.

To be honest I see their stupidity as an attack on us - they've already cast the first stone, fired the first bullet, shed the first blood. These people are just going to carry on being stupid and having their threads closed unless people show them that they are stupid.

Look at stingbee for example - he should've been banned for his stupidity, but because of our forumwide dissapproval of him he took a hint and left. This kind of stuff DOES work, and we all know it does. It's not undeserved or unfair, it's just life. If you smack someone in the mouth you get a punch back, and that's how you learn not to do it again. Dig?

sligster · #25 05-13-2005, 08:50 PM

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Is it just me or I'm I the only newbie here who isn't trying to spam or make stupid threads.

yes.

I'm in favor of the idea....

Majic · #26 05-13-2005, 08:51 PM

If an ignorant member, in all seriousness, makes a thread and it gets closed, he or she will question why, and take a hint. Spot me two or three recent exammples of a member creating a clone thread after the first one was closed, and then we'll talk.

Closing a thread from a serious poster, no matter how illiterate or retarded, is certainly not a reward. And mind you, if there's ever a truly problematic member, they're dealt with. Stop being so edgy/aggressive.

***Alcar*** · #27 05-13-2005, 10:30 PM

Sorry guys, but I will never flame / discriminate / torture / abuse / harrass any member on the forums. My approach has always been firm but fair discipline. The newer members may be annoying, but that doesn't give you the right to vent your frustration on them.

Jesus people, put yourselves in my shoes. I have to deal with them everyday, as well as take the hate thrown my way for trying to keep the forums sane. Why can't I flame the be-jesus outta them too?

Alcar...

odd chick · #28 05-13-2005, 11:34 PM

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That is completely out of context, I believe. Alcar meant that some people come on the forums to vent anger they have built up because of someone else. He can't see "why people just can't go and belt" those who they are actually mad at instead of displacing their anger on the forums.

As far as this subject goes, I say let those who have no spammed/broken a forum rule, cast the first flame.

There's nothing wrong with constructive criticism. Or if needed, a bit of a harsher tone and maybe some tasteful satire/sarcasm. But full out abuse won't solve anything... So much for humaneness.

I completely agree with this statement. I am a strong believer of constructive criticism and even sometimes satire (only when absolutely needed, though.), but flaming a member continuously will not solve anything. In fact, it may make certain members do these things (such as spamming) even more out of spite. :/ And besides, I'm sure we've all broken rules before.

Edit: Rich, I know what you mean by 'educating'. When I was referring to 'flaming constantly', I was only referring to when people ridicule or tend to curse at other members non stop. If you want to give them a firm warning about continuously posting the wrong things in the wrong spots, then be my guest.

Rich · #29 05-14-2005, 01:31 AM

I'd say what we're proposing is pretty democratic, people can read this thread and think "oh shit, I'd better read the rules". Then they can read the rules and hopefully post in the right place, post coherently, be relevant, ect...

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I've been here for at least 5 years or so, and in my time here I've come to know that Alcar would never just flame the everloving f*ck out of someone, escpecially not a new member.

Joining date: Nov 2002

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but flaming a member continuously will not solve anything.

Grrrrr! How many times, educating is what we shall do! If they post an abe drawing in off-topic, I will calmly tell them that it's in the wrong place and ask them to read the forum descriptions. If they then go on to post a behaviour complaint in the RPG forum, I will mercilessly slaughter them. That isn't flaming, it's educating.

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I have to deal with them everyday, as well as take the hate thrown my way for trying to keep the forums sane.

Lol! What abuse, what hate?

"OMG i h8 u u clsed mi tpoic!!!!!!!!!!1111"

Facsimile · #30 05-14-2005, 01:34 AM

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If an ignorant member, in all seriousness, makes a thread and it gets closed, he or she will question why, and take a hint. Spot me two or three recent exammples of a member creating a clone thread after the first one was closed, and then we'll talk.

The member called Alpha (I think) who kept creating god damned Halo threads outside of the main Halo discussion.