Sports and schools should be seperate

Statikk HDM · #1 03-21-2005, 10:22 AM

If any of you guys live in Germany, maybe you can clarify this a bit. Anyhow, I was in German class and before it started(we usually have 4 or 5 minutes to just shoot the breeze with a professor before class starts) we were talking about sports. Basically, the teacher said something that was pretty shocking to us all: Most private schools and almost all public schools don't have sports. The kids just go in these private leagues called Bundes or whatever and the biggest ones are gymnastics, tennis and football. The more I thought about that the more it made sense. Why should people who don't give a rat's arse about high school sports(me and my mom) have to pay higher tuition costs, usually 100 dollars or more, to prop up the sports department? In college its even more ridiculous. They basically have a slave program going. Kids and government grants pay for it and the school rolls in the money from tickets, merchandising, people going there because of the sports program, etc. Its a potentially multimillion dollar situation, with some coaches earning money in the 6 to 7 didgit range. And the players, the ones making it all possible get a full ride or tuition assistance if they're lucky. What a crock of shit. And while everyone is creaming themselves over the cash money business that is college sports the other parts of the college like Science, Arts, or Computers departments are lucky if they don't get budget cuts. Sports should be private, period.

Rich · #2 03-21-2005, 11:24 AM

Heh, I just skip sports class. Damn stupid compulsary choices. However in England sports are not compulsary after GCSE's. So 6th form and College are sport free if I desire.

TheRaisin · #3 03-21-2005, 01:24 PM

Statikk, you da man. For as long as I can remember I've been pissed off with the way the schools around here focus so much on sports. It is indeed, as you say, a crock of shit.

Facsimile · #4 03-22-2005, 12:26 AM

Oh our school has to be one of the worst at focusing on sports. For example the principal never goes to any schooling competitions like music things, but never misses a First 15 Rugby game.
Considering how many people stop doing sports as soon as it isn't compulsory, I don't know why they still push it so much.

***Alcar*** · #5 03-22-2005, 02:13 AM

Sport is compulsory for just about every student in New South Wales. I think once you get into Year 11 or 12, you can choose, but I guess that depends on the School you attend. For me, it is compulsory. But I'm not complaining: I miss out on two periods every Thursday, not too mention leaving School a lot earlier than usual, meaning I am able to meet up with mates whom I would not be able to on a normal day.

While I'm not the best sports player, admittedly, I'm only really exceptional at Gymnastics, and fairly good at Squash, I still think they are valuable in teaching life-skills. So, in answer to this thread's question, I'm for the current system of intertwining School and Sport.

Alcar...

Esus · #6 03-22-2005, 10:03 AM

Sports are never a big deal in England. One to Two lessons a week, for years 7-11 (I forget Primary school things) and you tend to do less and less in the lessons as time goes on. By the end of year 11, you do nothing on those lessons, except maybe have a game of football.

Oddish · #7 03-22-2005, 10:46 AM

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Sports are never a big deal in England. One to Two lessons a week, for years 7-11 (I forget Primary school things) and you tend to do less and less in the lessons as time goes on. By the end of year 11, you do nothing on those lessons, except maybe have a game of football.

Exactly how it is here.

Physical Education is good, because doing exercise is good for your health, like burning calories and fats. Too much sugar thses days.

Majic · #8 03-22-2005, 11:45 AM

Though I don't know how it plays into national standards, round these parts a student is required to take 1.5 years of sports during high school. Luckily, with my horrible sporting ability, band counts as half a years worth of athletics/PE/whatever. And hell, it's an earned credit. Marching band = a bitch.

In regards to sports associated with schools, I don't really mind. It provides an easy system to sign up with friends, keeps kids in shape, and provides motivation for passing classes. Let's face it, students involving themselves in school activities isn't a bad thing. There may be an overemphasis on certain sports, but the payoffs aren't bad.

Facsimile · #9 03-23-2005, 12:29 AM

I wouldn't mind if it was just stuff like running, and actual exercise things, but sports. Screw that, I was fairly happy to sit on the sideline and occasionally hide behind a tree.

Joshy · #10 03-23-2005, 12:45 AM

Doing sport keeps the students at school healthy, therefore a healthy population = less strain on the medical system if its public and a more productive workforce = more goods and service = higher economic growth = improve living standards = higher HDI

soulstice · #11 03-23-2005, 04:57 AM

I hate PE, basically I like the sports but my teacher can't teach to save his life.

Rich · #12 03-23-2005, 12:42 PM

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my teacher can't teach to save his life

Funny you should mention that. My PE teacher comitted suicide last week.

sligster · #13 03-23-2005, 05:29 PM

bah, I hate P.E.

that's why I take band (it replaces P.E.

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Anyway, my school is huge on sports. Every game (the main one is football) is like a party, and the coaches are awesome (one is my math teacher- he's cool). They do a pretty good job too, seeing as how as hardly lose.

Should sports and schools be seperate?

It really depends on the students and teachers running everything.

***Wil*** · #14 03-25-2005, 06:55 AM

Should sports and school be separate? No, I don't think so. If children didn't have to do physical activity, far too many wouldn't. Education isn't just about sitting down and learning facts, it's about become a well-rounded person. If kids aren't taught to partake in sporting activities then they'll, well, they'll become well round.

I go to a private/public school, and we do ‘games’ every Tuesday and Thursday afternoon. The lower years have to do rugby, hockey or cricket depending on the term. The next two years you get put into ‘potted sports’ where you get moved between all kinds of sports so can build up a good experience of a variety of activities. It's not until the final year and the sixth form you can choose what you want to do willy nilly, and even then you have to do rugby, hockey, cricket or athletics if you're good at it.

The assumtion is, though, that children learn from all this. I know I sure as hell hated team and contact sports, but I sure learnt about fitness, excercise, balance and diet when doing PE (once a week, quite separate from games). It's somewhat totalitarian, but humans are growing ever-fatter enough as it is.

Rich · #15 03-25-2005, 09:50 AM

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It's somewhat totalitarian, but humans are growing ever-fatter enough as it is.

It's evolution preparing us for the next ice age. We need that extra fat!

TheRaisin · #16 03-25-2005, 02:31 PM

Max, I don't think Statikk is talking about physical education. Yes, schools should have physical education. As much as I hate it, I see the need for it and I don't really want it to change.

But Statikk is talking about extracurricular athletics. And those are definitely screwed up. In my opinion.

soulstice · #17 03-27-2005, 01:02 AM

My school is really lenient about sports. As I'm in my GCSE years I can opt to go and sit in the library and write up courseworks or revise so not many people really participate in the lessons unless they're in the GCSE P.E. Course.

soulstice · #18 03-27-2005, 01:03 AM

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Funny you should mention that. My PE teacher comitted suicide last week.

That's really weird...

Rich · #19 03-27-2005, 01:13 AM

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My school is really lenient about sports. As I'm in my GCSE years I can opt to go and sit in the library and write up courseworks or revise so not many people really participate in the lessons unless they're in the GCSE P.E. Course.

My God! I'm moving to London now!

Fuzzle Guy · #20 03-30-2005, 10:57 AM

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Sports are never a big deal in England. One to Two lessons a week, for years 7-11 (I forget Primary school things) and you tend to do less and less in the lessons as time goes on. By the end of year 11, you do nothing on those lessons, except maybe have a game of football.

I agree, we have a double games lesson, but we spend the first games lesson and half of the second games lesson listening to the teacher whiles he tells us what to do.