Farenheit 911

Volsung · #1 07-06-2004, 08:58 PM

I have been gone for some time now due to lack of accessible internet. This is sad. But what I found sad upon returning (Other than the enormous amount of debating and new information I missed) was the lack of something I felt made Off-Topic interesting.

Heated arguments, pointless controversy, and the eventual honing and defining of psuedo-meaningful arguments. That is to say: Politics.

Sadly I must jump on the bandwagon of urging those of you (In the states, of voting age) to see this frightening documentary about the events that took us to war and the minds behind it.

If you love Micheal Moore, realize he's very little in the film. If you hate Micheal Moore, see the film anyway and criticise here. Hopefully your points will be valid. For those of you disinclined to worry about the state of the nation and its far-reaching effects, just see the film before hardening you're mindset.

And if you already have an opinion type fast, because I'd like to hear it and I'll be gone for a month past July 11.

Shell Man · #2 07-06-2004, 09:25 PM

Like I said in the other thread, Bush doesn't need Moore to make him look stupid, but if this movie will help people make up their minds, then people should see it. I don't think I need to see it since my mind is pretty much made up on the Bush administration.

the brew master · #3 07-07-2004, 01:43 AM

GEROGE BUSH!!........did someone say GEORGE BUSH!!..........*takes out a shotgun and shoots a picture of george bush on the wall*

paramiteabe · #4 07-07-2004, 03:32 AM

Micheal Moore is a lazy fat son of bitch. If he thinks that his pathetic film which he labels (dare I say) as a documentary did any effect on changeing the mindset of "normal America," then he really is full of himself. For crise sake Spider Man 2 made more than he did.

I know for a fact I am republican and conservative and I support Bush for his effort in protecting our nation since 9/11. So far it works there hasn't been one attack on our soil since 9/11. God bless George W Bush! Now I know you librals want to argue with me about George W Bush on how he dident protect us since 9/11 or on how you believe he lied to the public of weapons of mass destruction or say that I am a retard because I support Bush. But mind you Saddam did use the weapons on his people, but all I say to you librals out there is your full of it and you will see come election 2004.

Do any of you see the good news comming out of Iraq? Of course not because the media which is being funded by the Libral Democrats are not allowing that good news to surface. Another conservative that I admire for bringing you librals down is Rush Lymbaugh. For a society who is brain washed by the media and the Libral Democrats, Rush knows what the hell he is talking about when it comes to you people. Dare I call you libral left wing democrats out there fools, you just need to wake up and realise that we are at war against thugs and people who want to kill us to make a point. Hello you can't negotiate with terror, you can't talk peace with thugs muderers it will never happen. As God as my witness it will never happen because they will laugh in your face and kill you anyway. Rush was right about you democrats. You want us to lose the War on Terror and its nothing but politics with you people. Its nothing but politics and polls which means nothing come election time. Did you not see the Pres on Thanksgiveing bringing moral to the troops in Iraq? Did you not see for the last 4 years our Pres do what ever it takes to protect us from terror? Hello the Vietnam war is over this is not Vietnam! Of course how would any of you know seemingly you never lived in that era. Oooh I shouldn't be talking about that I never lived in that era eather!

Another conservative that I believe in is Glen Beck now there is a man who makes sense among a nation of left wing fools who want to become the ****ing new age Nazi party. Glen Beck is a man who knows how to talk to young men an women like myself in a way that makes sense to my age group. He more or less is a conservative who is more comedian than serious like Rush is. Yeah I know what you left want you love Hitler and all his works and you love Communism so its know wounder your against Bush who wants to bring down terrany. Hey I just realise something I am an evil conservative who wants to pollute the world with SUVs. I just have to mann, it is the will of George W Bush! Hey I also have a shirt that says John Kerry the real terrorist of the 21s centary. Hehe I lied I don't have a shirt but I think ill make one. Oh you people are just funny that it tickles my funny bone anyway I can go on and on about you left for hours on end but I have a life so tootles!

Codek · #5 07-07-2004, 04:18 AM

Enough said.

Hobo · #6 07-07-2004, 06:01 AM

I shall see this film as soon as it comes out where I am, as I am an avid reader of Michael Moore and I find myself agreeing with him 99% of the time.

Nice picture Death

Codek · #7 07-07-2004, 06:03 AM

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Nice picture Death

Codek.

You're welcome.

ClaireBear · #8 07-07-2004, 06:03 AM

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I shall see this film as soon as it comes out where I am, as I am an avid reader of Michael Moore and I find myself agreeing with him 99% of the time.

Its this Saturday CJ... well it is at our arthouse cinema in the town!

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Nice picture Death

I cant see it! Just got red crossy thing again! No fair! *huff*

Hobo · #9 07-07-2004, 06:19 AM

Sorry Codek. I associate Death with your avatar and as I only glanced at who'd posted it I forgot about the name change.

Have a cookie *offers jar*

Codek · #10 07-07-2004, 06:29 AM

You tell me to take a cookie yet you offer me the jar? I can't eat the jar. That would hurt! Besides, I'd rather have the cookie.

Oh the cookies are inside the jar? Right, well in that case... *eats whole shebang*

SeaRex · #11 07-07-2004, 07:53 AM

As posted in the Summer Movie thread:

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Just got back from 'Fahrenheit 9/11.'

I must say I'm impressed. I went into the theater thinking the whole movie would be pure garbage and it turned out that only half of the movie was pure garbage. Surprisingly enough, Moore's bias and the way-out-of-context quotes didn't take away from his general message... which is... Bush is bad.

It had it's moments and the film generally got better when it started dealing with the war in Iraq. The plot structure was basically "Intro/Bush's election ---> Ties between Bush/Saudis/Bin-laden family ---> War in Iraq." The friendly US relations with Saudi Arabia segment was basically Moore just listing off the names of random people and conglomerates in the same format accompanied by weak accusations that were as unimportant as they were boring. However, the movie started to pick up when it moved to some good ole' mudslinging about US retaliation against the 9/11 attacks.

So, if you're a lefty (or just plain anti-American), go see it. If you're conservative, this movie probably won't change your mind about anything. Therefore, you shouldn't give your hard-earned money to a man you're going to end up hating by the end of the movie.

As a respectable documentary, I give it a -1 out of 5. As a truth-bending propaganda film, I give it a 4 out of 5.

On a side note, I'm quite surprised Moore neglected to mention the potential Draft. You would think that would be a major selling point on convincing the audience not to vote for Bush...

***Xavier*** · #12 07-07-2004, 10:12 AM

Go Michael Moore
shoot on Georges W. Bush

something like that

Killa_47 · #13 07-07-2004, 10:16 AM

the film is good i can see all films before they come out but i wont spoil it i will just rate it:

out of 100%...........82%

The Red Muse · #14 07-07-2004, 11:07 AM

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Enough said.

Heehee! I've seen many of those! That's from Helsinki, I believe

Killa_47 · #15 07-07-2004, 11:09 AM

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Heehee! I've seen many of those! That's from Helsinki, I believe

yeh i saw that too.....and on funny junk.

Esus · #16 07-07-2004, 11:17 AM

Too.Much.Propaganda.
Now I'm sure he brings up a few truthful and valid points, but it's obviously so swamped in propaganda I have begun to detest the man.
Of course, Bush is just as bad on the propaganda scale, and I don't like it

Shell Man · #17 07-07-2004, 11:57 AM

That's the other point I made, what goes around comes around. Bush is getting a taste of his own medicine.

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Yeah I know what you left want you love Hitler and all his works and you love Communism so its know wounder your against Bush who wants to bring down terrany.

Grow up. You can't just label everyone who's against you a Nazi. I wouldn't call Bush a Nazi, he's just an idiot.

Volsung · #18 07-07-2004, 12:07 PM

I thought the film was more about showing how war and profits are inter-related. Clearly Moore doesn't like Bush. But I gathered that a good deal of it was simply trying to show that a war against ideas was unwinnable. 1984 style.

Edit: My bad Searex, I was worried I might've missed some comments.

And Codek: That picture just made you my hero.

paramiteabe · #19 07-07-2004, 12:11 PM

Can we learn how to respect each others opinions or are you just going hate conservatives and republicans like myself who go to school and get a real job and make real money?

***Xavier*** · #20 07-07-2004, 12:47 PM

and make war to other countries without any real reasons.

paramiteabe · #21 07-07-2004, 02:13 PM

So murder is not a reason to defend ourselves?

Shell Man · #22 07-07-2004, 02:14 PM

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Can we learn how to respect each others opinions or are you just going hate conservatives and republicans like myself who go to school and get a real job and make real money?

What is wrong with you? Jesus you've got to be one of the most ignorant people I've come across, You actually believe that everyone who has a good job and goes to school is a republican? You obviously need to get out more. How about I stoop to your level: At least Democrats actually LEARN when they go to school, instead of just coasting through on the football team.

And no, I'm not a democrat, nor a republican. It doesn't take political ideals to have common sense. (Or lack therof)

paramiteabe · #23 07-07-2004, 02:28 PM

You should be ashamed of yourselves 3000 people died and you sit there and say this isn't justified? I said enough.

Shell Man · #24 07-07-2004, 08:00 PM

W.W.J.D. ?

***Xavier*** · #25 07-07-2004, 11:08 PM

I still wait to see the proof Irak had something to do with 9 11
especially when Bush dares to tell us after they were not sure there was weapons of massive destruction

the brew master · #26 07-07-2004, 11:22 PM

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I said enough.

good.......

and that picture of hitler and goerge bush is so true..........

ClaireBear · #27 07-07-2004, 11:41 PM

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And Codex: That picture just made you my hero.

I can't see the picture I only get red crossy thing still!!!!

the brew master · #28 07-07-2004, 11:48 PM

its a poster of hitler and george bush.........and it says "same shit!"......"different asshole"

Esus · #29 07-08-2004, 01:16 AM

Why do label people so, ParamiteAbe? What is with your obssession with varius political ideals. You seem to dispise this so called 'left' of yours, and you appear to believe that all people who are 'left' are Hitlers. You are the most ridiculous person I've seen on a forum.
You generalise everyone else under stupid little political titles which literally mean nothing. I'm sure I don't like it when people generalise Americans, but what you do is the same as saying:
"I hate all you ****ing Americans, all you ****ing do is torture civilian prisoners and then laugh on their corpses you disgusting pieces of shit - all of you."

Shell Man · #30 07-08-2004, 01:19 AM

There was a documentary thing on TV today, where some people who knew Osama Bin Laden were interviewed. What continues to disturb me is how they use exactly the same logic to justify what they did to us, that people use to justify what we are doing. When asked about how they felt about the 911 attacks, they mentioned Hiroshima and all that. And yes, when Hiroshima was bombed, millions of Americans were cheering in the streets, regardless of how many innocent people(including children) were killed. Just like Al Queida. Bottom line, all religiously violent people are fools, there's no right or wrong about it.