Minecraft - OWF server

[Phylum]

Ok, so you found a glitch and abused it to give yourself lots of items that would otherwise be very hard to obtain. It's alright, though, because you mined all of your iron legit!

[RoryF]

Ok, so you found a glitch and abused it to give yourself lots of items that would otherwise be very hard to obtain. It's alright, though, because you mined all of your iron legit!

You can't on purposely trigger it, how many time do I have to tell you, I didn't even know roses were very hard to get, thanks for telling me.

And well done taking my iron post out of context by the way.

[Havoc]

Look, you were flying and spawned in blocks (doesn't matter which kind). Even if you were telling the truth you admitted to having a 'high jump program' installed which is cheating non the less, so your ban stays in place.

But frankly I don't believe anything of what you're saying. As far as I'm concerned you are using a hacked client that gives you the ability to fly and spawn blocks at will and that won't be tolerated on our server.

[dripik]

You can't on purposely trigger it, how many time do I have to tell you, I didn't even know roses were very hard to get, thanks for telling me.

They are hard to get if you look for them in ravines. Personally, I use bonemeal on grass.

You can count your glitched items all you like, but you still used them instead of saying anything about the server being glitchy or something. Either way, arguing about it goes nowhere, you don't need to justify yourself anymore, it is no longer a concern. Your house will probably become a memorial, as usual in such cases.

[RoryF]

So you're not going to bother trying to find out the cause for the block problem? And it's not a client, it's only a high jump mod, my screenshots are proof I have no clients installed. I've also told you blocks are handled client-side, it's impossible for a mod to spawn blocks, mods only work locally.

EDIT: I did mention it... I said the server's item handling is buggy on the first screenshot.

[Phylum]

It doesn't matter how it happened. You obtained blocks through illegitimate means, be it deliberate or not. You then used these blocks rather than saying anything about them.

For clarity, we don't care how you got them. We care that you used them.

[Manco]

Oh, apparently, Idk how but oddman's house was burned to the ground. Still remains left but, wow.

I thought this was server tradition for banned users.

Has anyone else experienced the glitches OddMan is claiming to have?

[RoryF]

It doesn't matter how it happened. You obtained blocks through illegitimate means, be it deliberate or not. You then used these blocks rather than saying anything about them.

For clarity, we don't care how you got them. We care that you used them.

I guess you missed the part before this happened that I said the server handles items strangely. How about you just go check before you make assumptions that I never said anything about it. You do care how I got them, otherwise the server wouldn't tell us to report any bugs we find, I'm pretty sure this is some form of bug report. You're not worried someone else might join in future and find the same problem and maybe do more stuff with it?

Most people on servers if they get free diamond and stuff out of nowhere, they're going to want to use it, this should have come as no surprise to you when someone finds a glitch like this. Don't be so shocked when it happens and somebody manages to somehow use it, it's what happens when a person manages to do something like it, I'm no different.

[enchilado]

If a glitch caused me to get free diamonds I'd throw them into lava.

[RoryF]

If a glitch caused me to get free diamonds I'd throw them into lava.

Yeah, sure you would, I believe you.

[Wings of Fire]

Yeah, sure you would, I believe you.

Protip: Not everyone is like you. Some people appreciate fair play.

[RoryF]

Protip: Not everyone is like you. Some people appreciate fair play.

Protip: Most people wouldn't throw free diamonds into lava.

[Manco]

“Oh no, a server glitch has occurred and has given me free stuff. My choices are:

• Inform an admin at first available opportunity;
• Tell no one what has happened;
• destroy the dupes myself;
• use the items like it’s no big deal.

Which of these could result in my being removed from the server?”

[Wil]

I guess you missed the part before this happened that I said the server handles items strangely. How about you just go check before you make assumptions that I never said anything about it.

Saying the server 'handles items strangely' is not in the least bit bringing a bug to our attention, much less is a lack of response a green light to go ahead and take advantage of it.

You do care how I got them, otherwise the server wouldn't tell us to report any bugs we find, I'm pretty sure this is some form of bug report. You're not worried someone else might join in future and find the same problem and maybe do more stuff with it?

For the purpose of being able to make a judgement call on whether we trust you to have access to the server, we don't care how you got them.

Most people on servers if they get free diamond and stuff out of nowhere, they're going to want to use it, this should have come as no surprise to you when someone finds a glitch like this. Don't be so shocked when it happens and somebody manages to somehow use it, it's what happens when a person manages to do something like it, I'm no different.

And if someone does retain cheated items and is discovered and punished, I should hope they don't act so indignant. It stands to reason that if you cheat, we aren't going to be happy. As it happens, I trust the vast majority of people with server access to dispose of their illicit gains all by themselves. We're a whitelisted server exactly because we don't want any old glitch-abusing scoundrel to set up camp.

[RoryF]

Saying the server 'handles items strangely' is not in the least bit bringing a bug to our attention, much less is a lack of response a green light to go ahead and take advantage of it.

So you're saying my screenshot of a clearly glitched up amount of gold and text below saying the server has weird item handling doesn't show up as a bug to you at all? I guess if that's the case then there shouldn't have been a problem here in the first place since it's obviously normal I mean, if it was a bug wouldn't a screenshot be pretty clear?

For the purpose of being able to make a judgement call on whether we trust you to have access to the server, we don't care how you got them.

So if anyone finds a bug and reports it, you're going to judge if they should be allowed on the server, you don't want to know any information about any glitches? If you don't want to hear or care about any information about a bug, don't make an announcer telling users to submit bug reports on the forums!

And if someone does retain cheated items and is discovered and punished, I should hope they don't act so indignant. It stands to reason that if you cheat, we aren't going to be happy. As it happens, I trust the vast majority of people with server access to dispose of their illicit gains all by themselves. We're a whitelisted server exactly because we don't want any old glitch-abusing scoundrel to set up camp.

Well according to you a clear screenshot of a bug isn't a bug so it's not cheating then, and if you weren't so uptight about bug reports, maybe there would be less bugs to exploit. How about that?

[Wil]

I can't decide if you're intentionally misinterpreting all that for the purpose of kicking up a fuss, or if you're so frustrated you're honestly not reading properly. Either way, all your responses miss the points I've just tried to clarify to you.

[RoryF]

No, you misinterpreted my posts in the first place, I said I explained what happened because your server said to report bugs, then you started saying you didn't care about it, which means you don't care about bug reports despite the fact you're the ones asking for them. Go back and read it all through again then maybe it will make sense to you.

[Wings of Fire]

And how exactly is that relevant to you exploiting the glitch?

If you think that it's okay to use exploits as long as you off-handedly mention it, you've clearly never played an MMO before.

[RoryF]

And how exactly is that relevant to you exploiting the glitch?

If you think that it's okay to use exploits as long as you off-handedly mention it, you've clearly never played an MMO before.

I'm not on about me exploiting the glitch, you guys said I never mentioned it anywhere, I pointed out where I first said it, you guys ignored it, so I had to explain it again, then you started whining on about it and saying you didn't care about how it happened. Since you didn't care about how it happened, you obviously don't care about glitches on your server which contradicts the server telling users to report bugs. Wil replied to me when I said you do care about how it happened otherwise the server wouldn't ask for it saying they judge if you're trusted on the server. That's completely unfair meaning if someone posts a bug report they might get banned.

Do you need anymore help reading the recent posts?

[Wings of Fire]

From where I'm looking, you got banned because you exploited the glitch and not because you attempted to report it.

Do you need anymore help reading posts that weren't made by you?

[RoryF]

Who said anything about me being banned because I bug reported? I never said I got banned because of a bug report, I was merely explaining why Wil's post didn't make any sense.
You clearly do need help reading.

[Crashpunk]

I had a feeling something like this would happen when the server went more 'Public' to the other members.

Also talking back to other members like that isn't really going to help you.

[RoryF]

You have to talk to other members like that or you don't get your point across and you get called a 'whiner' when it makes no sense, not saying you do it crashpunk but a majority of the people on here act like assholes unless you talk to them like that.

[Havoc]

Let me make this clear for you.

1. Items were glitching and you decided to post a screenshot and very vague comment about it.

2. Instead of getting rid of glitched items you decided to use them while any sort of common sense would dictate that you can't do that.

3. I have not heard of any sort of replication glitches since early beta days and not a single other person on the server has had this problem. I've not seen any bug reports on any Minecraft related sites that complains about this since 1.3 but if you can find some then please share a link.

4. You were seen flying (not just jumping high, which is not okay either, btw) on multiple occasions and you blamed this on a glitch as well which non of us has been able to duplicate either.

5. All of the above are strong indications that a client side hack is involved. And yes this is very possible and documented time and time again, which you know very well.

6. Based on all of the above you have been banned permanently and it will not be lifted so I suggest you stop putting energy into trying to convince us otherwise.

[RoryF]

3. I have not heard of any sort of replication glitches since early beta days and not a single other person on the server has had this problem. I've not seen any bug reports on any Minecraft related sites that complains about this since 1.3 but if you can find some then please share a link.

You can't have looked far at all, the way that happened to me is one of many ways I've found out this can happen. Do a search on YouTube for craftbukkit 1.3.1 duplication glitch. I guarantee you there will be at least a few on there reporting the bug, maybe not the same as me but a bug that has the same outcome.

4. You were seen flying (not just jumping high, which is not okay either, btw) on multiple occasions and you blamed this on a glitch as well which non of us has been able to duplicate either.

I never blamed it on a glitch, I said on the server I was using a mod but took it off when I was told I can't have it...

5. All of the above are strong indications that a client side hack is involved. And yes this is very possible and documented time and time again, which you know very well.

I removed it when I was told I wasn't allowed to fly and read your post, the client only allowed highjumping, waypoints(which really I just used to find my house after I went far out looking for animals) and flying which in itself is strange since I could get hurt by things on the ground.

[Crashpunk]

I can imagine Havoc with a judges wig whilst reading that.

*bangs Gavel*

[STM]

Well, when one door closes, a window opens. I'm like a pidgeon, I flew through the window when it opened. After a year my ban was lifted today, I'm back everyone. =)

[Crashpunk]

I don't know why you were banned in the first place.

[STM]

I blew up the beach, replanted cacti everywhere, refused to admit what I'd done wrong and was generally a knob.

[Crashpunk]

So that was your doing. That beach in Genesis is still covered in cacti.