United States presidential election (2016)

[Varrok]

Bwahahaha. Wikileaks love any press they can get from claiming to be persecuted. That's what their fanbase wants to hear!

I never said they don't. I just don't doubt the informations they share would make some (maybe most) people they're talking about want to silence them.

[Nate]

I never said they don't. I just don't doubt the informations they share would make some (maybe most) people they're talking about want to silence them.

I agree with that. I was just saying (1) That Facebook wouldn't go to any effort to block something when it's inevitably going to leak out anyway and (2) Wikileaks management staff probably wouldn't rule out all possibilities before making a self-serving statement.

[Varrok]

I have little doubts that facebook, being asked by officials to 'unsuspiciously' try to help them wouldn't do that. And of course they wouldn't block 'the links to the links' or anything that, without doubt, would put them in a bad light.

I don't really know about Wikileaks. I don't follow their affairs that often, to be honest. That was just a guess on my side.

[Slog Bait]

Oh boy are you guys ready for this

So, I voted in the primaries Tuesday, and I already knew something was amiss because in my county, there were only 60 polling locations total. And, I live in a very small part of the metro area. Very, very small. Interestingly, there were 3 polling locations, all of which very accessible (also at churches??? but w/e) but no polling locations whatsoever in the next city over, which is 5 times the size of where I live. There were also only 1 polling location in a city that's lower class, and primarily hispanic and native american. There were no polling locations at all in one of the three major cities of the metro area. IIRC, over 800,000 people in AZ went to vote.

The polling was supposed to last from 6am to 7pm.

While I'm sure for the most part you guys know what I'm getting at, it doesn't quite stop there. Hillary won the dem vote for AZ.... but she was announced the dem winner at 7:30PM the day of polling. People were still voting when the dem candidate was officially announced and were waiting in line to vote well past midnight.

While people were going to vote, this was only happening to people registered democrat as far as I've read and know of, they were being turned away and told their votes weren't going to be counted because the system said they were registered independent. Some people even walked into the Secretary of State with their voter identification after being turned away only to find the system had them registered as a democrat despite the fact the polling services stated otherwise.

I heard Tuscon had a bunch of false evacuations and similar situations but I don't live in that county, I didn't vote in that county, and the win-loss margin wasn't nearly as vast as my county's was.

In my mind, if Hillary had won it wouldn't have been by such a large margin, due to the fact that Arizona's population is (I'm not giving hard numbers, but a quick drive through AZ will give you enough visual evidence I'm not pulling things out of my ass) at least 1/3rd Mexican and 1/3rd Native American, and Bernie is the only candidate that has gone in detail how he plans to assist the native american population and hasn't in anyway throughout his history condemned mexican immigrants.

You can also sit there and claim that he's only appealing to the youth, but there hasn't been a single person over 30 down here that I've spoken to about the election that in any way supports Hillary. Even the republican voters I've spoken with are more for Bernie than Hillary. Yes, this is anecdotal, but things weren't adding up.

Anyway, that's a super paraphrased rant of the problem, I've got loads of links for you guys if anyone's interested enough in US politics.

http://www.commondreams.org/news/201...neral-election

http://www.cbs5az.com/story/31569689...tial-primaries

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016...ry-issues.html

http://ktar.com/story/984298/arizona...0k-signatures/

http://www.inquisitr.com/2918836/ari...investigation/

http://usuncut.com/politics/5-exampl...form=hootsuite

TL;DR- Election fraud and corruption what else is new

[Moot]

I'm Canadian, so I don't care.

But Trump sounds like a crazy person, and Hilary lost my respect when she (and her supporters) said "we women have to stick together, so you're obligated to vote for her" I'm paraphrasing, but it's gross nonetheless.

Aside from that, good luck America. You guys sound fucked either way.

[Slog Bait]

Other than the whole facism side of Trump's campaign I still believe he's a way safer option than Hillary

And anyway, campaigns are all about manipulating people to vote for the candidate. We're due for a woman president, I just don't think Hillary is the right choice for the first female president. I can only see a potential scandal and potential impeachment on top of another unnecessary war disguised as fighting terrorism or a fals threat with her in office. I only see her occasionally putting a bill on the table to keep democratic liberals somewhat satiated, but otherwise having a massively conservative run which is the last thing the US needs right now: someone sitting by and just letting shit happen. Again.

Trump is just a reactionary, weirdly liberal (not very adept) businessman who had genuine interest in trying to "fix the country". The only concerns I have are the parallels between him and Hitler, but considering people have been hyperfocusing on these parallels, I don't see him gaining presidency leading to another holocaust or anything resembling an incident that bad.

Also thank u canada pal I hope that new pm is doing you guys well

He sounds like a pretty cool guy so far

e- wahaha

[Moot]

Also thank u canada pal I hope that new pm is doing you guys well

He's not. Better then Harper I've heard though.

But I meant it sincerely, politics are a messy business! I hope things turn out for the best.

[Varrok]

I wouldn't call Trump crazy. I think all about his appearances seems like it has a thought behind it.

[Xorlidyr]

I actually think that Trump shall win, but be powerless.

[STM]

Oh boy are you guys ready for this

So, I voted in the primaries Tuesday, and I already knew something was amiss because in my county, there were only 60 polling locations total. And, I live in a very small part of the metro area. Very, very small. Interestingly, there were 3 polling locations, all of which very accessible (also at churches??? but w/e) but no polling locations whatsoever in the next city over, which is 5 times the size of where I live. There were also only 1 polling location in a city that's lower class, and primarily hispanic and native american. There were no polling locations at all in one of the three major cities of the metro area. IIRC, over 800,000 people in AZ went to vote.

The polling was supposed to last from 6am to 7pm.

While I'm sure for the most part you guys know what I'm getting at, it doesn't quite stop there. Hillary won the dem vote for AZ.... but she was announced the dem winner at 7:30PM the day of polling. People were still voting when the dem candidate was officially announced and were waiting in line to vote well past midnight.

While people were going to vote, this was only happening to people registered democrat as far as I've read and know of, they were being turned away and told their votes weren't going to be counted because the system said they were registered independent. Some people even walked into the Secretary of State with their voter identification after being turned away only to find the system had them registered as a democrat despite the fact the polling services stated otherwise.

I heard Tuscon had a bunch of false evacuations and similar situations but I don't live in that county, I didn't vote in that county, and the win-loss margin wasn't nearly as vast as my county's was.

In my mind, if Hillary had won it wouldn't have been by such a large margin, due to the fact that Arizona's population is (I'm not giving hard numbers, but a quick drive through AZ will give you enough visual evidence I'm not pulling things out of my ass) at least 1/3rd Mexican and 1/3rd Native American, and Bernie is the only candidate that has gone in detail how he plans to assist the native american population and hasn't in anyway throughout his history condemned mexican immigrants.

You can also sit there and claim that he's only appealing to the youth, but there hasn't been a single person over 30 down here that I've spoken to about the election that in any way supports Hillary. Even the republican voters I've spoken with are more for Bernie than Hillary. Yes, this is anecdotal, but things weren't adding up.

Anyway, that's a super paraphrased rant of the problem, I've got loads of links for you guys if anyone's interested enough in US politics.

http://www.commondreams.org/news/201...neral-election

http://www.cbs5az.com/story/31569689...tial-primaries

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016...ry-issues.html

http://ktar.com/story/984298/arizona...0k-signatures/

http://www.inquisitr.com/2918836/ari...investigation/

http://usuncut.com/politics/5-exampl...form=hootsuite

TL;DR- Election fraud and corruption what else is new

Absolutely, and well-fucking-done for noticing this. Gerrymandering is fucking cancer to politics. Why do you think Clinton is doing so well in Latino states? She doesn't give a fuck about Latinos.

[Varrok]

http://www.isidewith.com/

On this side there's a quiz that's supposed to show which candidate you should vote for, based on your opinions.

Here are my results, but I didn't answer many questions I'm not familiar with, also, I didn't choose the importance for most of the questions I have answered:
http://www.isidewith.com/elections/2...ial/2215553362
Who the fuck is Gary Johnson?

[STM]

Well done.

Also Bernie, obviously.

[Alf Shall Rise]

I did that a while ago and got Bernie too. Nice.

[EVP_Glukkon]

Hahahaha I got 89% Donald Trump

[STM]

Let's build a big wall around EVP_Glukkon.

[Varrok]

And these damn Lulu funders are going to pay for the wall!

[Slog Bait]

Update on the Arizona voter suppression nonsense for anyone interested:

http://usuncut.com/politics/arizona-...hearing-chaos/

http://heavy.com/news/2016/03/arizon...ffiliation/13/

https://www.rt.com/usa/337496-arizon...earing-recess/

While keeping up with this I'm hearing there were voter suppression issues in Illinois too. I'm not sure about the details there.

[Varrok]

Hilary's gonna win, whether the voters like it or not lol

[Slog Bait]

Probably, but that's not really the issue at this point.

[Manco]

In more entertaining news:

Well it's not even noon Eastern and Trump's campaign manager has been arrested for battery and hired a lawyer who once bit a stripper

— Tom Tomorrow (@tomtomorrow) March 29, 2016

[Slog Bait]

Oh hell yes, stripper biting lawyers are the best kind of lawyer

[MA]

i'm reminded of this

"what are you in here for?"
"i hired a hooker, she bit my tongue off, i beat the shit out of her." :/

[EVP_Glukkon]

Let's build a big wall around EVP_Glukkon.

Funny, but I never understood the attitude towards this. An Australian co-worker made a comment that Trump is the kind of guy keen on building walls around countries.

Is the concept of a wall for security between US and Mexico really that serious enough for people to say something like that? No one mentioned a wall anywhere else.

And these damn Lulu funders are going to pay for the wall!

LOL!

[Slog Bait]

People mock it because there's already a wall at the Mexican border and the number of mexican immigrants we've been getting has been on the decline. The only reason there was an issue at all with mexicans in the states were because there were so many here illegally, not paying taxes, not taking care of property, not bound by our laws because they were skirtting the system. Enough action has been taken that illegal mexicans are nearly a non-issue now. A lot of them have their citizenship, have been deported, or are working on their citizenship.

So basically, by saying he's going to build a wall between the states and Mexico, then saying he's going to make the Mexican gov pay for it, he comes off as this absurd racist who thinks he has way more power than he actually does.

[Varrok]

In more entertaining news:

Well it's not even noon Eastern and Trump's campaign manager has been arrested for battery and hired a lawyer who once bit a stripper

— Tom Tomorrow (@tomtomorrow) March 29, 2016

Video recordings don't lie. At least not in that case.

[EVP_Glukkon]

So basically, by saying he's going to build a wall between the states and Mexico, then saying he's going to make the Mexican gov pay for it, he comes off as this absurd racist who thinks he has way more power than he actually does.

IF what you say it accurate, then it seems Trump is misinformed about what is going on. The only thing I can say though is that having looked at the current wall, it doesn't seem capable enough to stop anyone determined to climb it.

Not to argue any actual data you may have that incidates a real decrease in people getting through but just on plain aesthetics you couldn't keep Abe out with that thing. .

[Xorlidyr]

Donald Trump is not a psycho. He is a very profound political project and a good actor. I do not like what might stand behind him.

[Slog Bait]

IF what you say it accurate, then it seems Trump is misinformed about what is going on. The only thing I can say though is that having looked at the current wall, it doesn't seem capable enough to stop anyone determined to climb it.

Not to argue any actual data you may have that incidates a real decrease in people getting through but just on plain aesthetics you couldn't keep Abe out with that thing. .

Dude, we're humans. We can do nearly anything if we're determined enough. The whole reason mexicans were fleeing their country and illegally immigrating here to begin with was because their living situation in Mexico was horrible, and the country itself was going through extreme turmoil that made it dangerous to live there. It still has problems, but it's been resolving a lot of their issues as of late.

You really can't prevent people from doing what they really need/really want to do. They'll find a way. Fortifying the border just feels like an arrogant fuck you to people who aren't even of any concern anymore. I could have understood it when the illegal immigration was at it's worst, but not now.

And anyway, the wall think likely wouldn't happen even if Trump got in office and revealed he was serious about it the whole time. What do you expect when you say "lol im gonna make THEM fuckers pay for no passage into our cuntry"

[Varrok]

You really can't prevent people from doing what they really need/really want to do. They'll find a way.

Of course you can. That's the purpose of jails.

[Slog Bait]

Implying people never escape from prisons