Darwinism vs. Fundamentalism

[Danny]

Originally posted by PinkHaired Mudokon CWR:
Ha! Your the one getting all the insults from me(1) and reusing them to make them cheap and stupid. You and Gluk rarely make spelling mistakes?(2) Puhlease. You two think your sooo perfect it's a shame.(3)


There are differences between an animal and a human.(4) I'm not going to convice you or even try because you guys don't listen and think your right all the time so I won't talk on this one.(5)

When I talk about "proof" on evolution, I mean real proof. Like how was the earth created, humans and stuff like that. Not stars and all that crap. Where's the real proof?(6)

Why am I flamming at you? Because I'm sick of your attitude that your all high and mighty and never make mistakes!(7) If I made spelling errors, I'm sorry! Ya happy? Atleast I admit my mistakes and I know that I am not perfect.(8) As for you, you know everything and other people's belief's are wrong and what you believe in is correct.(9) Goes for Gluk also. *Phew*

1. Name one.

2. Name one example.

3. What makes you say that? The fact that we spell things right?

4. Of course there are differences between Humans and other animals! There are also differences between Natterjack Toads and other animals. Does that mean that Natterjack Toads are not animals?

5. WE don't listen? Give me one example of a time when you have said something and we have not listened! Then I will return with 20 examples of when we have said things and [/i]you[/i] have not listened...

6. WHY CAN'T YOU JUST ANSWER MY QUESTION? It's not a complicated question. What evidence is there for Creationism?

7. When did we say we never made mistakes? All we said was that we rarely make spelling mistakes, which is true!

8. No you don't. You have never even admitted the possibility that you might be wrong! Just look at what you said there, for example. "IF I was wrong..." You didn't admit you were wrong, you implied that you still believe that you are right. By apologising for something that you refuse to believe happened, you are just trying to make yourself out to be the good guy here. My advice to that end is to stop insulting us and start arguing about the issue!

9. No we don't. We believe we are right. So do you. But at least we are prepared to admit that we may be wrong when given sufficient evidence. IF you were to give me some evidence for your beliefs, I would believe in them [as long as your evidence outweighed mine]. However, not only have you done no such thing, but you have also refused to even listen to our evidence...

[ January 17, 2002: Message edited by: Rettick ]

[PinkHaired Mudokon CWR]

Your such a liar!

I stated I'm Christian and I believe God created the Heavens and Earth and he's real and you guys don't listen! I'm sick of this! If I was an atheist, of course you would have a different approach towards me. Just because 90% people here are atheist, does'nt mean you have to treat the 10% with total disrespect! I don't care anymore if you don't believe me, but your never going to stop me from believing in God. Your making it seem like it's a crime or some blind faith. I can name 20 or more reasons on how you did'nt listen to me or how you insulted my religion.

Why don't you just leave it alone and except what people believe in? Why does it bother you so much? Just because you had such a bad child hood with christianity, does'nt mean that your problems are going to happen to every christian! So stop stereotyping everything on Christianity and the bible!

How can you say that the bible does'nt talk about dinosaurs when you don't even read the bible!?

[ January 17, 2002: Message edited by: PinkHaired Mudokon CWR ]

[Danny]

Originally posted by PinkHaired Mudokon CWR:
[b]Your such a liar!

I stated I'm Christian and I believe God created the Heavens and Earth and he's real and you guys don't listen!(1) I'm sick of this! If I was an atheist, of course you would have a different approach towards me. Just because 90% people here are atheist, does'nt mean you have to treat the 10% with total disrespect! I don't care anymore if you don't believe me, but your never going to stop me from believing in God. Your making it seem like it's a crime or some blind faith. I can name 20 or more reasons on how you did'nt listen to me or how you insulted my religion.(2)

Why don't you just leave it alone and except what people believe in? Why does it bother you so much? Just because you had such a bad child hood with christianity,(3) does'nt mean that your problems are going to happen to every christian! So stop stereotyping everything on Christianity and the bible!

How can you say that the bible does'nt talk about dinosaurs when you don't even read the bible!?

1. I LISTENED! You have to work out the difference between someone who disagrees with you and someone who doesn't listen. I disagree with you, but at least I listen. How else would I know that you believe in Creationism and the Bible? YOU, on the other hand, don't listen. Why else would you repeatedly ask questions that we have already answered?

2. THEN WHY DON'T YOU? Because you're lying, that's why. If you're not, then don't just say "I'm not", post those examples...

3. I do accept what people believe in. What I don't accept is people who repeated insult me for not believing the same thing as them. What I don't accept is people who are not even prepared to argue their side, but instead resort to childish name-calling. I began debating with you with the best of intentions, trying to find out why you believe what you do. Unfortunately, instead of admitting that it was blind faith, you started pretending you had concrete evidence proving that everyone else was wrong, and whenever we asked you to post that Evidence, you got angry and started insulting us. Oh, by the way, For Your Information, I have never had any major bad experiences with Christianity. My mother is a reasonable Atheist, which is why I am able to see Christianity from the unbiased viewpoint that I do.

Now I will say this again: Post the Evidence you have for your beliefs.

[PinkHaired Mudokon CWR]

You know what Dan,

I've seen liars before but you take the cake. You don't listen if your saying whatever I believe in is wrong. I do listen to your beliefs, but I am not trying to convince you on to stop believeing on what you believe in. I mean I seriously think that you can't see because I've noticed that in all your post. When I said that evolution does'nt make any sense to me, you thought I was ignorant and you guys really don't even understand the bible and I did'nt call you guys stupid. That's being hypocritical all the way. You need to just read your post. I never heard you said that you were sorry. You have so much pride all the time and expect people to say sorry to you!

[Gluk Schmuck]

Pinky, could you tell us about the evidence to support the creationism theory?
Please?

[PinkHaired Mudokon CWR]

Okay Gluk, I will since you ask so nicely. I think I will just tell you because I don't feel like telling Rettick because he's sooo mean and he knows my evidence before I even say it because he knows everything.

[Danny]

Originally posted by PinkHaired Mudokon CWR:
You know what Dan,

I've seen liars before but you take the cake. You don't listen if your saying whatever I believe in is wrong.(1) I do listen to your beliefs, but I am not trying to convince you on to stop believeing on what you believe in.(2) I mean I seriously think that you can't see because I've noticed that in all your post. When I said that evolution does'nt make any sense to me, you thought I was ignorant and you guys really don't even understand the bible and I did'nt call you guys stupid.(3) That's being hypocritical all the way. You need to just read your post. I never heard you said that you were sorry.(4) You have so much pride all the time and expect people to say sorry to you!

1. This is what I am talking about: I disagree with your beliefs. In order to do that, I have to first read what they are. This I have done. You can't say that I didn't listen to you. I did listen, I just didn't agree.

2. Then why do you repeatedly tell us that we are going to Hell for not believing what you believe?

3. We didn't call you ignorant for thinking Evolution didn't make sense, we called you ignorant for thinking Evolution didn't make sense after we explained it to you. You don't have to agree with it to admit it makes sense. Your beliefs make sense, I just believe they are wrong. What's your problem with that?

4. I have not yet done anything to be sorry about, except occasionally for getting angry when you insulted me, and I did apologise for that. Also, I don't expect you to apologise, I expect you to admit you have been wrong...

Since you ignored my question last time, choosing instead to call me a Blind Liar, I will ask you again: What is this "proof" for Creationism that you claim to have?

Edit: Oh, I'm "mean" am I? Could you just outline for me exactly what I did that was mean, apart from ask you to give us your proof, and retaliate when you flamed me?

[ January 17, 2002: Message edited by: Rettick ]

[PinkHaired Mudokon CWR]

why do you lie alot? I did'nt say that you were going to hell. Someone said earlier "If I was an atheist all my life and found out that God exist, will I go to hell?"

I think that was Daniel. I said yes, but I was answering his question and telling him what God said. I did'nt say it randomly?

[Danny]

Pinky, do you expect me to be happy that you believe that I am going to Hell? Just because you didn't think of it yourself doesn't mean that it is any less insulting. If you had said "God says that you're going to Hell, but I don't believe that", I wouldn't have minded at all, but you do believe that. Can't you see how insulting that is to me?

[PinkHaired Mudokon CWR]

Well sorry, I did'nt mean to hurt anyone. I was just answering someone's question.

[Danny]

Ok, this is an honest question, because I am finding this concept difficult to get my head round. If you had a friend who was an Atheist [or a Muslim, Homosexual, or any other of the people the Bible condemns], and a very nice person, and they asked you if you believed that they were going to go to Hell, would you reply Yes? If so, how can you expect someone not to be offended when they are told that you believe that they are destined for eternal damnation? Are you actually unable to see the problem there?

[MudokonOddball]

Okay, I'm done now.
Thanks for responding everyone! It was very interesting to see people's different views on the matter...to a point. Thanks again!

PS: Hey, look, I got a star!
~does a little happy dance~

[ January 17, 2002: Message edited by: MudokonOddball ]

[Sydney]

Originally posted by PinkHaired Mudokon CWR:
I find it sad and ignorant if you can't tell the difference between an animal and a human being. I mean, are you blind?

There are many diferences between human beings and other animals. Just as there are many differences between the ring-tailed Lemur and other animals. Analogy: A lollipop is still a candy.

Originally posted by PinkHaired Mudokon CWR:
Sydney, what was your mitochondria thing again? I did'nt mean to ignore it. I apologize.

Apology accepted. Click here for my original post on Mitochondrial DNA as evidence for evolution.

The insults are really getting out of hand. Angry paragraphs on each other's spelling errors makes for a really dull read. Can we try to keep with the topic at hand? Among most others here, I find this discussion interesting, trailing off into pointless bickering only waters down the fun.

[Danny]

Originally posted by Sydney:
The insults are really getting out of hand. Angry paragraphs on each other's spelling errors makes for a really dull read. Can we try to keep with the topic at hand? Among most others here, I find this discussion interesting, trailing off into pointless bickering only waters down the fun.

Out of hand? We'd only just got them in hand... After all, there haven't been any insults since Pinky's second
-to-last post, so we're doing quite well...

Although she still hasn't answered my question...

[PinkHaired Mudokon CWR]

Originally posted by Rettick:
Out of hand? We'd only just got them in hand... After all, there haven't been any insults since Pinky's second
-to-last post, so we're doing quite well...

Although she still hasn't answered my question...

Puhlease, you started it.

[Danny]

Don't start that again, Pinky. What I was trying to say is that we weren't arguing any more, although you had to go and prove me wrong, didn't you...?

Anyway, could you answer my question, please? I really am interested to know what the answer is...

[PinkHaired Mudokon CWR]

Answer to what?

[Danny]

Ansdwer to this:

Originally posted by Rettick:
Ok, this is an honest question, because I am finding this concept difficult to get my head round. If you had a friend who was an Atheist [or a Muslim, Homosexual, or any other of the people the Bible condemns], and a very nice person, and they asked you if you believed that they were going to go to Hell, would you reply Yes? If so, how can you expect someone not to be offended when they are told that you believe that they are destined for eternal damnation? Are you actually unable to see the problem there?

[Sydney]

Originally posted by Rettick:
Out of hand? We'd only just got them in hand... After all, there haven't been any insults since Pinky's second
-to-last post, so we're doing quite well...

Thankyou Dan. I was looking at an earlier post when I was typing that, I should have made sure I was responding to a later post. My mistake.

Pinkhaired (for the third time), are you going to answer my question about Mitochondrial DNA?

[Disgruntled Intern]

i don't want to get into this..although you all (besides Pinky) have made revelant points. well most of you anyhow.
some one said we have no proof that animals can't laugh and cry..or something along those lines.
it has been scientificly proven that Rats can infact laugh.
i have a rat named Suzi, and if you flip her over and tickle her stomach she makes a very quiet laughing noise.
i saw it on tv, a guy had a Mic. that picked up high frequency sounds and tickled a rat...he played back the noise and it sounded like..well rat laughter. you really had to have seen it i guess...

[SeaRex]

Well, I decided to butt-in about the whole "dinosaur" thing that Pinky mentioned way back on the first page. I think what she is getting at is that dragons are mentioned in the Bible several times. I mean, think about it. If someone comes along and finds a... lets say, T-Rex fossil back in Bibical times, they are going to think it just died a few days ago. This would give them reason to put such things as "dragons" in the Bible, as it would help explain why they just found a gargantuan skeleton laying around.

Well, whatever. Everyone's gonna ignore this post anyway. Just a thought I had.

[Steve]

few days? in my experiance it takes a few years.

[SeaRex]

Originally posted by SeaRex:
...they are going to think it just died a few days ago.

Key word here = think. They wouldn't know that this skeleton has been sitting here for millions of years.

[Steve]

actually I meant they wouldn't think it would only be a few days because it takes a while for the flesh to rot away.

[SeaRex]

Days, weeks, months, whatever. That's not the point.

[Fazerina]

Originally posted by Majic_Abe:
why can we tame animals? because they knwo we take care of them.

That sounds kinda silly. How could animals think like that? And I don't know about all animals but if you take domestic dogs for an example, they're not tamed. If some pet dog had puppies and those puppies would never see any humans they would act just like wild dogs and it would be impossible to make them get used to humans later. The reason why dogs are "tame" is that they get used to people from their very first days.
I'm not saying that if you let them free they would act like wolves. They wouldn't, because they wouldn't have anyone to teach them to hunt and so on, because their parents would be pet dogs and they wouldn't know how to survive in the wild because they were never taught by their parents.
If you would let a domestic dog puppy in the wild right after it's birth it would be a wild dog but it would die of course. And because you would have to let it go right after the birth it would die just about right away cause it couldn't see or walk or anything.. So it really wouldn't be possible.. but never the less the dog would be wild.