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07-07-2011, 07:15 AM
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THIS JUST IN! - anyone who writes a book that's supposed to suggest a moral message is a conman! Such authors as...

Homer
Virgil
Aeschylus
Plutarch
Matthew
Mark
Luke
John
J. R. R. Tolkein
J. K. Rowling
Mary Shelley

...and many, many more, are now to be considered con artists, and their works as deceptions to take your money. Up next, is nearly every single movie ever made a con? More at eleven!
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An account is a record of something that happened. Dante made up pure fantasy and tried to sell it as religious cannon; he is a conman.
Can you not comprehend the bold text. J.K. Rowling never tried to convince people that there were really wizards living amongst us in society and in Scotland there is a magical castle where they learn to do magic. Dante sold books which declared what he knew to be bullshit as truth.

EDIT: And Homer as an author of a morality story? I think Mein Kramf has about as much moral as the Iliad.

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He didn't sell it as religious canon, this is primarily signalled by the fact that the main protagonist in his story is...well himself. He never actually said that he had been to Hell and only made Allighierian Hell based on presumptions and what he perceived Hell to be like. He didn't actually say to people that this is Hell, he was even exiled for the work. Over hundreds of years however, some people believe his canto's to be truthful.
What he perceived hell to be like? How did he come up with that perception then?

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07-07-2011, 07:25 AM
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Haha

Nice contradiction.

Dante sold books on the premise of what he knew to be bullshit as truth

But

At the same time, his version of hell was his perception of it

Which is it?

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EDIT: And Homer as an author of a morality story? I think Mein Kramf has about as much moral as the Iliad.
Hitler was forwarding his own morals and ethics in Mein Kampf, Homer was forwarding Grecien morals and ethics in the Iliad and the Odyessey. How do you not see that?
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Can you not comprehend the bold text. J.K. Rowling never tried to convince people that there were really wizards living amongst us in society and in Scotland there is a magical castle where they learn to do magic. Dante sold books which declared what he knew to be bullshit as truth.

EDIT: And Homer as an author of a morality story? I think Mein Kramf has about as much moral as the Iliad.



What he perceived hell to be like? How did he come up with that perception then?
My perception of your posts is that they are full of shit.

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07-07-2011, 07:46 AM
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Haha

Nice contradiction.

Dante sold books on the premise of what he knew to be bullshit as truth

But

At the same time, his version of hell was his perception of it

Which is it?
I never claimed that it was his perception of hell. That was entirely my point; he had no reason to believe that in hell you are attacked by a three-headed-monster (and then go on to describe it in detail) so obviously it is bullshit; and he knew it.


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Hitler was forwarding his own morals and ethics in Mein Kampf, Homer was forwarding Grecien morals and ethics in the Iliad and the Odyessey. How do you not see that?
And how do you not see that it does not matter whose morals they are. I was not saying Homer was immoral I was saying the story was.
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07-07-2011, 07:52 AM
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And how do you not see that it does not matter whose morals they are. I was not saying Homer was immoral I was saying the story was.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_universalism

Homer did not have the same moral compass as you. His works espouse and glorify cultural virtues.
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I know very little very little about Dante's motivations behind writing, apart from a vague understanding it was politically motivated.
Pretty much spot on that it was politically motivated. I think he also wrote it somewhat for himself, as he did put himself next to his favourite poet for the whole journey.

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I never claimed that it was his perception of hell. That was entirely my point; he had no reason to believe that in hell you are attacked by a three-headed-monster (and then go on to describe it in detail) so obviously it is bullshit; and he knew it.

And how do you not see that it does not matter whose morals they are. I was not saying Homer was immoral I was saying the story was.
Your perception of something is basically how you look it it. If that is how he imagined Hell, then that is his perception, and that is all that he wanted to share with other people. Much like any fiction book, or any other vaguely religious text.

Saying that he had no reason to believe in those things? Well, what reason did anyone have to believe that Jesus came back from the dead, that the Red Sea was parted, and that the world was made in six days by some kind of almighty being? Nothing. It was just people's perception of what happened.

Also, The Iliad and The Odyssey both had pretty well defined moral ideals, some even applicable today.
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I think he also wrote it somewhat for himself, as he did put himself next to his favourite poet for the whole journey.
So it was fanfiction?
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So it was fanfiction?
Ahahahaha, I suppose, in a sense, it IS ancient fan-fiction
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