aliens and astronomy -

MA · #**841** 12-01-2011, 09:51 AM

wormholes escape space. dunno about the worms, though.

STM · #**842** 12-01-2011, 10:37 AM

They're bait for the celestial fish.

LDG519 · #**843** 12-04-2011, 12:05 AM

I don't think they escape space, just connect two distant locations in space

MA · #**844** 12-04-2011, 09:50 AM

NO THEY ESCAPE SPACE TRUST ME I KNOW THIS

FUCK

GODDAMN

MeechMunchie · #**845** 12-04-2011, 11:21 AM

I went outside space the other day, and I can confirm the presence of wormholes there.

STM · #**846** 12-04-2011, 01:42 PM

Where there dinosaurs?

MeechMunchie · #**847** 12-04-2011, 01:54 PM

Only dead ones.

MA · #**848** 12-04-2011, 01:59 PM

you need to open your mind, STM. open your mind.

STM · #**849** 12-05-2011, 07:48 AM

Yeah you'd like that wouldn't you.

MeechMunchie · #**850** 12-05-2011, 09:43 AM

If you open your mind too much, your brain will form a wormhole to the dinosaur dimension.

LDG519 · #**851** 12-05-2011, 09:03 PM

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NO THEY ESCAPE SPACE TRUST ME I KNOW THIS

FUCK

GODDAMN

how can anything escape space? i'ts space, theres literally nothing beyond it, it's like trying to escape existance, unless I'm missing something, if i'm missing something pleas try to explain it to me cause I would like to know

Scraby · #**852** 12-06-2011, 01:15 AM

as i know there was nothing before big bang...? and space is expanding,so he is expanding into something

moxco · #**853** 12-06-2011, 02:02 AM

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how can anything escape space? i'ts space, theres literally nothing beyond it, it's like trying to escape existance, unless I'm missing something, if i'm missing something pleas try to explain it to me cause I would like to know

I would assume, the fourth dimension.

Imagine life was two-dimensional. You want to get from point A to point B and do so by jumping. By doing thus you move through the third dimension and escape the area of your 2D world. I hope I sort of explained it.

Bullet Magnet · #**854** 12-06-2011, 08:53 AM

That's not leaving space, that's exploiting another dimension of it. Discovering a literal new direction.

MA · #**855** 12-06-2011, 09:35 AM

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how can anything escape space? i'ts space, theres literally nothing beyond it, it's like trying to escape existance, unless I'm missing something, if i'm missing something pleas try to explain it to me cause I would like to know

STM's the big dawg on that subject, you wanna ask him. i'm a mere follower. a mere, cock-sucking follower.

MeechMunchie · #**856** 12-06-2011, 12:45 PM

He can penetrate my fourth dimension any day.

STM · #**857** 12-06-2011, 12:47 PM

Yeh but I love it and so do you

I might even have to ask my superior...BM, but from what I understand about physics, there really is nothing beyond space, if you can comprehend nothing, I'm it's not easy. The universe is expanding because mass is radiating outward from the explosion of the big bang. It's not filling up emptiness it's just pushing outwards.

MeechMunchie · #**858** 12-06-2011, 12:50 PM

It's just expanding. The word 'expanding' never suggests any external space. Otherwise we'd call it 'filling'.

Bullet Magnet · #**859** 12-06-2011, 04:45 PM

Space itself is expanding, like a stretching rubber sheet. Or a balloon's skin as it is inflated. It isn't expanding into anything. If you like, it creates the space as it goes. There's no edge or center. Every point in the universe is rushing away from every other point. On the subatomic right up to the human scale electromagnetism and the strong nucleic force hold objects and people together while the negligible (at such scales) expansion occurs underneath. On larger scales like star systems, galaxies and galactic clusters gravity holds things together while the expanding space between them whooshes past unnoticed. But on scales larger than that, the intergalactic distances between clusters, there is so much distance that the space expanding between them makes everything rush away from everything else, and this is quite noticeable. A Doppler shift occurs to the light, lengthening the wavelength and changing the colours of distance objects as they appear to us. This is called the redshift. On the most distant of objects, part of that redshift may be due not only to the Doppler effect, but also the the actual expansion of space itself stretching out the wavelength as the light mores through it, something that could only be noticeable after billions of years of travel. Which such light has had.

Expansion appears to be speeding up. Sooner or later the furthest galaxies will be too distant to make out with any telescope, their light redshifted into the invisible portions of the spectrum, and eventually not even able to reach us as the space expands faster than the light can travel across it. Had humanity evolved during such a period in the universe's future, it would be quite impossible to learn anything at all about the nature and origin of the universe. All the evidence would have gone and left us behind.

If there is anything beyond the universe it cannot be thought of to have a position in relation to the universe. Coordinates only work inside the universe, where there are dimensions that the coordinates can correspond to.

Scraby · #**860** 12-07-2011, 02:21 AM

then if it is inflating,there must be an empty region to inflate in,you cant inflate a baloon in a small box becouse it would pop or get all twisted.and what happens as the scientists say when the universe tears,they said inteligent species could escape space....but what will they go into then?

Wings of Fire · #**861** 12-07-2011, 02:45 AM

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then if it is inflating,there must be an empty region to inflate in

I don't think you quite understand what it means to be outside of space.

STM · #**862** 12-07-2011, 08:54 AM

Tell the man about blue shift while you're at it BM hmm?

Scraby · #**863** 12-07-2011, 09:14 AM

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I don't think you quite understand what it means to be outside of space.

well could you tell me,who has ever been outside of space? we can only guess whats behind the dark matter shroud

Wings of Fire · #**864** 12-07-2011, 09:25 AM

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well could you tell me,who has ever been outside of space? we can only guess whats behind the dark matter shroud

To talk of space 'filling out' beyond space is logically ridiculous.

Space creates its own space to fill out as it goes along, that's the point.

Scraby · #**865** 12-07-2011, 09:59 AM

well tell me what is it filling out

STM · #**866** 12-07-2011, 10:05 AM

Nothing is actually filling out Mike, literally, there is nothing for the Universe to fill up, it's getting bigger because atoms are being flung out into space, beyond that is nothing, I imagine it's just black, an absence of anything existing.

MA · #**867** 12-07-2011, 10:12 AM

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beyond that is nothing, I imagine it's just black, an absence of anything existing.

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I imagine it's just black

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just black

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black

even black is something. it wouldn't be anything. it'd be nothing, not even black.

just a pet hate of mine.

Scraby · #**868** 12-07-2011, 10:13 AM

well i get all of that,but i do think there might be some more universes in the eternal void... it would be stupid to say that there is only one universe,just like ppl say that we are the only ones in the universe sounds too stupid,,,

STM · #**869** 12-07-2011, 10:16 AM

Technically MA, black is the definition of nothing, if you want to go down the route that even nothing is something, I mean in terms of physics and mass.

Wings of Fire · #**870** 12-07-2011, 10:23 AM

Just a note:

If you somehow made a vessel that can travel faster than the expansion of the universe, and then explored outside the known universe then it would become the known universe with your vessel as its furthest distance point. There's no escaping space if you're made of matter.