Why bother with religion? -

MrBoj · #31 10-09-2003, 11:13 PM

Jesus thinks you're a jerk.

TheKhanzumer · #32 10-10-2003, 01:02 AM

To answer your question Lucipher, God has done a lot for me. My religion has been a very good influence on my life and I think that it would be great if everyone were Christian.

That being said, I think a lot of what you and Jacob said is true. Religion does cause problems. But it isn't a flaw with the religion, it is a flaw with humans. People always mess up what the Bible or the Quran, etc... is teaching them. But don't assume that religion is pointless. I get annoyed by plenty of "Christians" who think they know what they are talking about. Although I believe that obeying God's teachings in the Bible will help me live the best life (and death) I can, that doesn't mean I'm better than you.

Basically what I'm saying is that religion is always good, but religious people are often bad.

Facsimile · #33 10-10-2003, 07:20 AM

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Originally posted by Jacob
And the other one is pestering you to join them also.

Don't forget the brochures. Arg! The brochures!

***Alcar*** · #34 10-10-2003, 07:24 AM

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Originally posted by TheKhanzumer
To answer your question Lucipher, God has done a lot for me. My religion has been a very good influence on my life and I think that it would be great if everyone were Christian.

That being said, I think a lot of what you and Jacob said is true. Religion does cause problems. But it isn't a flaw with the religion, it is a flaw with humans. People always mess up what the Bible or the Quran, etc... is teaching them. But don't assume that religion is pointless. I get annoyed by plenty of "Christians" who think they know what they are talking about. Although I believe that obeying God's teachings in the Bible will help me live the best life (and death) I can, that doesn't mean I'm better than you.

Basically what I'm saying is that religion is always good, but religious people are often bad.

That is my exact stance on Christianity. While I don't hold a strong belief in the legitimacy of the Bible, I believe in the core beliefs of Christianity. These core beliefs are something that can't be changed, no matter how much a human may persist in trying to taint it.

Concerning power hungry people. If I recall, a few Popes in history have had the power of being 'Pope' go to their heads. They basically deemed themselves the title of 'God'.

That, like the creation of every denomination, is a result of greed and power. Although, there were a few legitimate denominations, like Calvinism. John Calvin (founder of Calvinism) could see the flaws in Catholicism, but he still believed in the core beliefs - somewhat similar to myself.

Alcar...

Oddfan · #35 10-10-2003, 07:49 PM

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Originally posted by TheKhanzumer
To answer your question Lucipher, God has done a lot for me. My religion has been a very good influence on my life and I think that it would be great if everyone were Christian.

That being said, I think a lot of what you and Jacob said is true. Religion does cause problems. But it isn't a flaw with the religion, it is a flaw with humans. People always mess up what the Bible or the Quran, etc... is teaching them. But don't assume that religion is pointless. I get annoyed by plenty of "Christians" who think they know what they are talking about. Although I believe that obeying God's teachings in the Bible will help me live the best life (and death) I can, that doesn't mean I'm better than you.

Basically what I'm saying is that religion is always good, but religious people are often bad.

I agree with u also, and I wasn't trying to offend anyone I was just saying that ppl should pick a religion and stick with it because half of u ppl are looking at different religions and hoping from one to the other like ur deciding on which movie you should rent next. So i'm sorry that I offended anyone I was being a bit biased. alls i'm saying is whatevr religion u belive in stick with it and don't act like all the religions are true cause there has to be one religion that is right.

Facsimile · #36 10-10-2003, 11:57 PM

There doesnt' have to be one that's true. Religion is made up of beliefs. Everyones religion is true to them in it.

Lucipher · #37 10-12-2003, 10:20 AM

Basically, popes, jahovas (shudders at thought of their brocures) and religion being sadist to one another should really be abolished to ensure a safe future and less maybe even no wars. I have already started, like the time when I stabbed a vicar to death with a rapier........i've said too much.

TheKhanzumer · #38 10-13-2003, 12:37 AM

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There doesnt' have to be one that's true. Religion is made up of beliefs. Everyones religion is true to them in it.

I do not understand how anyone could believe this. Two religions that say they are the only true religion cannot both be right. They might both teach good things, but they can't both be the one true religion. Either one, or both of them have to be wrong.

Also, religions contain many beliefs, but that is not all. The beliefs are based on fact. There is a lot of archeological and scientific evidence to support many Biblical events. One example is the world wide flood. You can't ignore the fact that nearly all major civilizations have some sort of flood story. Many of them are startelingly similar. Also, there is scientific evidence to support the flood, such as water erosion in deserts and mountains, as well as fish and whale bones in the middle of deserts.

Facsimile · #39 10-13-2003, 01:23 AM

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Originally posted by TheKhanzumer
I do not understand how anyone could believe this. Two religions that say they are the only true religion cannot both be right. They might both teach good things, but they can't both be the one true religion. Either one, or both of them have to be wrong.

What I was trying to say was that if people believe in a religion, it means it is true to them. I am not saying two of them are right. Or any for that matter.

Floods can be caused by anything. Many civilizations may speak of one, but floods aren't the rarest occurance in the world, they may have all had different ones, at different times.

Jacob · #40 10-13-2003, 10:41 AM

Jesus had the nails hammered into his wrists.

Stigmata takes place on the palms of the hands.

You do the math.

If you can't i shall explain.

People, such as me recently, believe that Jesus was nailed to the cross through the palms.

They believe in him so much that they cause the Stigmata effect.

This links to the whole Prayer thing.

Were someone will Pray to God, believe with all his Heart he will listen, and their Prayer comes true.

God isn't doing it. That person is. Its like Witchcraft, using one's own energy to do shtuffs...yes.

Facsimile · #41 10-15-2003, 02:10 AM

That's what I think too. They make it happen themselves.

Lucipher · #42 10-16-2003, 05:27 PM

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Originally posted by MrBoj
Jesus thinks you're a jerk.

I think jesus is a jerk and should get a hair cut

***Alcar*** · #43 10-17-2003, 04:27 AM

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Originally posted by Lucipher
I think jesus is a jerk and should get a hair cut

Honestly, we don't need to stoop down to insults, no matter how sarcastic. Some people will take it quite seriously, as an act of offence to their religion.

Alcar...

MrBoj · #44 10-17-2003, 10:13 AM

well, I seriously think Jesus would be very disappointed with with the way some people have interpreted his teachings. It becomes as simple as that SNL espisode where the only comfort Christ finds during Christmas is when watching the Charlie Brown Christmas special, and seeing that a CHILD truly understands the meaning of Christmas, and Christianity in general, while society is just concerned with using his teachings for their own personal game.

Fanatics and greed have basically ruined the idea of relgion for some people, which is tragic to say the least.

Blitz · #45 10-19-2003, 08:16 AM

hey lucifer do u reckon it wld b cool if u cld strap a nuke 2 som1s sole n kill god when the sole goes upstairs? im gonna try that! any volentiers!

oko · #46 10-19-2003, 10:36 AM

god has acterly done many things for me (serios) for example: i ones prayed for help finding a coin i could use in the arcade, dident find one they were moving in new games and lett uss play for free

Fez · #47 10-19-2003, 10:48 AM

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Originally posted by Blitz
hey lucifer do u reckon it wld b cool if u cld strap a nuke 2 som1s sole n kill god when the sole goes upstairs? im gonna try that! any volentiers!

what the hell did he just say...

Hobo · #48 10-19-2003, 10:54 AM

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Originally posted by ferill
what the hell did he just say...

I think it was: I am an irritating spammer, will peter please ban my ass........

paramiteabe · #49 10-19-2003, 03:44 PM

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Originally posted by hobo
I think it was: I am an irritating spammer, will peter please ban my ass........

Teehehe!

***Alcar*** · #50 10-20-2003, 03:05 AM

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Originally posted by hobo
I think it was: I am an irritating spammer, will peter please ban my ass........

You can be a total crack up when you want to be, you know?

Alcar...

Lucipher · #51 11-29-2003, 03:49 PM

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Originally posted by GrigtheSlig
WOW! I once had an acsidental religion thread... "The Debate Thread"... but I didn't do it on purpose... and I can't see why anyone would start a thread like that on purpose... it just makes people mad and hurts their feelings... so Lucipher, this is not a good way to start on the forums... Too late now...

If this thread hurts peoples feelings then that is exactly why i started it i just like to add colour in my life.

DarkHoodness · #52 11-29-2003, 11:12 PM

Maybe I shouldn't post in this topic yet because I haven't read half of it yet. .. *is too tired. Will read it when he's more awake* But let me just say this:

After a bit of thinking I did a while ago about existance, as a result of a conversation I was having with my girlfriend, I relaised that one of the main reasons religion exists is because people need something to live for - A reason for thier existance, and the existance of the things around them. A reason to live. It's what keeps people going.
There are very few people who can face the fact that our existance may be completely and totally pointless.

As for myself, I choose not to belive in anything. For me, life just exosts. It's here, infront of us all. But I don't really care about why it exists or why I exist.
All I live for is my friends, my family, and my pets. If I ever life for myself at any moment by keeping my life as fun and as happy as it possibly can be, is to stop me from going insane.
- DH

Lucipher · #53 12-13-2003, 02:20 PM

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Originally posted by Blitz
hey lucifer do u reckon it wld b cool if u cld strap a nuke 2 som1s sole n kill god when the sole goes upstairs? im gonna try that! any volentiers!

You should REALLY get off the drugs blitz I mean A NUKE TO A BLOODY SOUL! WHAT WERE YOU THINKING!!!!