Formulation of New Rules

[Alcar]

Originally posted by Facsimile
I can not create the fire, only manipulate it...

I hope you know that I was being humourous in my last post

This thread seems to have gone off track though, and the initial intention lost... I should have made it more clear, I was asking for rules...

Or suggestions for changes to current rules.

Alcar...

[Facsimile]

Originally posted by Alcar
I hope you know that I was being humourous in my last post

Of course, it's just I had been waiting a whole 24 hours to use that quote from X-men 2.
Woot! 721st post! What a significant number!

[Joshy]

Tougher law on spamming... since i just saw some really spammy post.....

[Gryph the Slig]

What do you define as 'spamming'? Here are a few examples of what I would consider as 'spammy' posts:

asdf

cool
lol

[Facsimile]

Agreed.

















Thought I spammed didn't ya?

I am trying to work out that 'asdf' one.
As soon das fossible?

[Joshy]

Originally posted by Facsimile
Agreed.

















Thought I spammed didn't ya?

I am trying to work out that 'asdf' one.
As soon das fossible?

Nope didn't thought you spammed at all, since Agreed is not one of the spamming words listed lol...

Well spam can be classified as... well when you read it, you should have enough common sense to know its spam

[Statikk HDM]

For God's sakes, you can keep order here but done do these absolutely retarded things
Freak out on a joke or insults, and strangle the life out of the boards. It has happened to WAY too many boards I've seen
"Rabbit" out words. No it isn't cute. Nor is it effective. And it makes people sound REALLY idiotic. At least let people keep their dignity
Eliminate the use of any and all substitutions. I.E. treat the use of the word crap like a heinous crime. Please don't do what other websites do: Bust people's balls over using things like this !@#$ instead of certain words. Come on, would you rather have the more explicit version? I personally like this version of self censoring better than rabbiting, it has an old school comic book air to it and is a lot more classy than reading An act of love that should be carried out by married, heterosexual couples after marrige every time I mean !@#%.

[Joshy]

Why dont we sticky all of WTFZ post?? it can be put in the rules page and show everyone what spam are.

[Adder]

Originally posted by Facsimile

Woot! 721st post! What a significant number!

*Adder coughs "Relevence"*

You're right Alcar, the point was lost!
My brother is using a YABB! forum, incase ye want to change to one with a censor list.

[Alcar]

Originally posted by Adder
You're right Alcar, the point was lost!

My brother is using a YABB! forum, incase ye want to change to one with a censor list.

I've had encounters with YABB before, and while I won't knock it I'll say that I don't really think we'd ever use it...

vBulletin does have a censor and we do use, however only the word fuck is censored, and as you can see it is very easy to get around the censor.

Anyone want to suggest a new rule? Or nitpick at the old ones?

Alcar...

[Facsimile]

Originally posted by Adder
*Adder coughs "Relevence"*

I have seen other people writing "Yay! 500th post" and I wanted some of the action.

Please make sure that you post topics in the right forum. General Oddworld Discussion is for Oddworld-related topics only. Off-Topic posts should be made in the Off-Topic Discussion forum and so on.

People should be beaten for screwing it up. I mean how hard is it really to think, "Hmm... should this thread about my Encyclopaedia Britannica set be in the middle of General Oddworld Discussion?"

Also you should be harsher on spelling. Some people have spoken English all their lives and still can't spell 'believe'...

[Joshy]

Originally posted by Facsimile
I have seen other people writing "Yay! 500th post" and I wanted some of the action.


People should be beaten for screwing it up. I mean how hard is it really to think, "Hmm... should this thread about my Encyclopaedia Britannica set be in the middle of General Oddworld Discussion?"

Also you should be harsher on spelling. Some people have spoken English all their lives and still can't spell 'believe'...

1. Yay 1014th post, what a big number

2. Well sometimes, some topic can fit into both category like forum suggestion and help topic can also fit in Off topic, like wise

3. Remember this rule: I BEFORE E EXCEPT AFTER C

[paramiteabe]

Um um I know what spam is! Its actually meat that sold in Grocery Stores in a can!

Anyway back to topic if there is anything to make tough is the spam rules I think but thats just me


Paramiteabe...

[Joshy]

Originally posted by paramiteabe
Um um I know what spam is! Its actually meat that sold in Grocery Stores in a can!

Anyway back to topic if there is anything to make tough is the spam rules I think but thats just me


Paramiteabe...

OR

Unsolicited e-mail, often of a commercial nature, sent indiscriminately to multiple mailing lists, individuals, or newsgroups; junk e-mail.

In other words useless stuff...

[Wil]

I think there should be much more of an effort to make sure posts get put in the right place. Just today I saw a post in the OIPT forum that nothing to do with it, and should have been placed in General Discussion (of course the poster should have done a forum search for the information he was after, but that's not my point). Now it occurs to me that noobs won't actually understand what that forum is all about and so just get confused. Perhaps on top of the actual rules there should be some sort of explanation of what the OWF actually stand for and what some of the less self-explanitory forums are for, and also the Oddworld Questions topic in General Discussion.

The other thing that occurs to me is that quite often people are asking the same questions over and over, and I suddenly realise that is no proper Oddworld FAQ for all these repetative questions. I can sort that out, I've written an FAQ, and I could easily update it and put it up in the TOE construction site, just so newbies can be referred to it. I can probably do that by the end of the day.

Just a couple of suggestions. They're not rules, as such, just my observations that I'm sure you can base rules around. If you agree, of course. Perhaps a new rule could be 'Oi, noob, check this FAQ out,' or just 'Read the rules, already!'.

[Cloverfield]

My main gripes ...

1. Spammers
2. Flamers
3. People that post in the wrong place
4. People that sign up w/ multiple accounts cause they forgot their password and are too lazy to click the "forgot password" link

I also think once we formulate these, that a link should be put in the welcome email that people receive.

I like Max's idea w/ the FAQ. Trouble is if someone is new to Oddworld, they want to know about stuff, and will obviously ask about it. Of course there is the Questions and Answers thread, but people aren't going to be bothered to look through that. If you can write up a FAQ, that would be great Max. You can either host it on TOE, or we can integrate it into the Forums so that it looks like an official part of OWF. Or just create a thread in General Discussion yourself, and get us to stick it and close it. That way you can edit it all there without external linking or needing us to change stuff.

Although I did read some people saying about stickying a bunch of stuff.. we don't want too many sticky threads. So maybe three for General Discussion ... the two that are already there, and the FAQ which will be a closed thread.

I don't think we should be too strict on people who can't spell. Because some people really do have problems spelling. Sure you have lazy people who won't learn, but I knew people when I was in school who genuinely had difficulties spelling. It's unfair to pick on them. But yeah, I'd like to see bad spellers at least make an effort.

Abe Babe...

[Majic]

Though this may not be the best idea, there needs to be something that will actually catch a new members attention, but not like a pop up, or anything like that. Most would close it. I'm thinking more of....

*gasp*

"Introduction To The Oddworld Forums" forum made, to be at the top of Zulag one. This would just include basic information about searches, maybe a summarization of knowledge about new game information, some basic forum rules (with a link to the rules page for the more in depth things), and include the warning system and stuff. Person introductions could be made there instead (really, the subforum is hardly noticable), and since it would be right nest to General Discussion, most new people would see it, no? For the forum description, a nice, bold "THIS IS NOT TO DISCUSS ODDWORLD RELATED ISSUES" might do nicely also. With any luck (of course, who needs luck with my jeneyous brain) this can keep the stupid questions and wrong forum posts down to a minimum. If you wanted to, you could make the psots there not count, right? It seems like anything posted there probably wouldn't actually be of much importance.


*waits for Alcar to come and say theres too many forums as it is*
Though:-p You don't make all deciding factors.

[Facsimile]

Originally posted by Majic
jeneyous

It's spelled jenieyous.
Stoopid...

I think the FAQ is a good idea.
But I don't even get what the hell Majic is on about...

[Alcar]

Originally posted by Majic
*waits for Alcar to come and say theres too many forums as it is*

There are too many forums as it is!

Seriously, we could integrate a page where people have to read the rules using a javascript timer. We could also include common Oddworld answers, or Max's FAQ.

Alcar...

[Adder]

Originally posted by Alcar
There are too many forums as it is!

We could integrate a page where people have to read the rules using a javascript timer.

I guess that would work, but it'd cause a lot of people to stop coming. Maybe a list of rules after log-in that CAN be skipped by pusing "I agree".

As for people with multiple identities, send a warning message if they don't have more than 2 posts after 2 weeks.

As for too many forums: How long is it before you will move a thred to Necrum?

[Canned Gabbiar]

Actually, just because after 2 weeks a member doesn't have 2 posts doesn't mean they have multiple id's. Lots of people simply read the forums and reply to the odd thread. Others simply join and forget about their registration and go off and forget about the forum. The IP search is enough to deal with multiple id's I think. I think we just need a SLIGHTLY stricter control on swearing and a STRICTER control on spam.

And BTW ParamiteAbe, Spam is like a cheap meat substitute. Lots of them have very little meat in them. A little off topic but I just had to post that.

[MrBoj]

I don;t think an FAQ qould help anyhting here. People will always post in the wrong forum. It is inevitable. The more forums you have, the higher the chance is. I like the Oddworld FAQ, but an FAQ for the board would nto solve anything.

As for swear words, well, I am totally against any sort of censorship. But I do realize that some people are unconfortable with seeing swear words on the screen. I personally think we should all get over that fact these words are "bad" and realize they are jsut words. But there are immature people on the boards who would get an anxiety attack if "bad words" were outlawed with threat of punishment and someone uttered "****". There would be an outcry and a very silly commotion. The sad part is I feel there is a strong chance I will get flamed for saying that last two sentences. So while I feel curses should not be "eliminated" as has been said, try to be immature and not use them like a 10 year old who just found out what the word means. Again, I suppose some people cannot control the urge to type swear words. A shame really.

What people need to realize is that you have to respect other members and not takle the internet so seriously. I mean, what are the chances of any one of us meeting the other unless actual effort is given.


So, that's my basic view on this board, and the one I had when I left a while ago. I suggest offering more to the members, as boredum will lead to more scrutiny and childish name calling.

If you've read this far, just remember that stupidity is the building block of the universe. Jsut keep that in mind.

[Adder]

Originally posted by MrBoj

As for swear words, well, I am totally against any sort of censorship...

I agree if it's censoring an opinion, but swear word were designed and are used only to cause offence!

Originally posted by MrBoj
I personally think we should all get over that fact these words are "bad" and realize they are just words...

They are words, but words have meanings. While most people will use them from reflex to argue, there might be people using them for what they mean. Yes, they are more than likely immature, but they are flamming, which is againt rules.

Well, that's my view...
Any comment? (Positive or negative)

[Wil]

swear word were designed and are used only to cause offence!

No, they were designed by people who were bored and wanted something to complain about, so they found a bunch of words and decided to make them all naughty and taboo. There, I think I've made clear my opinion on the matter...

They are words, but words have meanings. While most people will use them from reflex to argue, there might be people using them for what they mean. Yes, they are more than likely immature, but they are flamming, which is againt rules.

Well, if the worst comes to the worst and somebody flames someone else, we can have a go at them for that. I want to be able to 'swear' for emphasis and slang (although I'm aware I don't much on these Forums), because I don't believe in the inhibition of vocabulary.

[TheKhanzumer]

My opinion on swearing is that, although many people don't take offense to it, some people do and it is polite (if nothing else) to refrain from swearing if you know some people will get offended.

I actually don't swear for that reason alone. There are a lot of words that I would use if I knew that nobody had a problem with them. But since people do have a problem with them I just use other, "less offensive" words to get my point across.

I haven't really noticed a swearing problem on these forums though, so what's the big deal anyways?

[Facsimile]

I think, there should be an option to toggle, as to whether you have a censored account. Where any swearwords would not show up for that person, and would be replaced by stars.

so they found a bunch of words and decided to make them all naughty and taboo

I have always wanted to know who decided which words were bad. As if they hadn't been made like that, there would be no problem with people using those words.

[MrBoj]

well, the "F" word dates back to medieval times.

Fornication Under Consent of the King. you can figure out the rest. So the meaning of the word always curtailed a derogatory meaning because it was a drag to get consent form the king in order to get it on, and people would do so anyway with or without.

anway, what I was saying, stars may work for the curse words, but you would have a lot of spam with just stars made my people out of spite, and just out of immaturity. Sorry, but I have a very pessimistic attitude lately.

[Wil]

MrBoj, fuck comes from the German. There's something on the Internet about it, but I doubt I'll be able to dig it up. That Fornication Under Consent of the King is just a joke. You can read about it's very first appearance in print at Dictionary.com.

[MrBoj]

heheh, I know dude. I was joking myself. I guess I should ahve used a smilley face to show that. heheh, "people would have sex with or without the consent of the king, those bastards!"

ah, whatever, nevermind.

[Cloverfield]

I don't really think there's anything wrong w/ swear words in general. I mean, I don't really want to censor them on here ... it's kind of seen as being a little too strict, if that's the right word for it. I would like to think that people are sensible enough to use them at the right times. As long as they are not over-used or are not flaming someone/used offensively, then I don't see a problem with someone using one occasionally, and if appropriate.

I actually saw some forum once that had a user swear option. You could opt to censor swear words or not as part of your user CP. I wonder if it's going to be a vBulletin 3 thing.

And like Fax, I always wondered why swear words were deemed as such ... who decided it was an offensive word and who didn't. Because for each swear word, there is a word that means the same thing basically, but it's not a swear word.

Abe Babe...