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Danny · #31 02-22-2002, 11:23 PM

EDIT: Sorry about this...

*deletes next two posts*

Gluk Schmuck · #32 02-22-2002, 11:28 PM

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Originally posted by Surfacing
1. but in war i have never heard a women been caught by the enemy and Tortured for answers.

2. And the only way a women could probebly hurt you is if she's flying a plane dropping bombs on you or she had a gun, when it comes down to it men dominate the military force, they have been doing it much longer than women, women are just an Accessorie.

*is staggered by Surfacing's amazing ability to be more misogynistic every post*

1. That shows that they can avoid being caught!

2. I must have missed the issue of New Scientist which had that article which proved beyond reasonable doubt that women are crap at wars and sport. Ah yes, I remember why. It's because New Scientist isn't misogynistic!

3. I don't care if you don't like the artists Dan mentioned, I like some of them. It's all about opinion and I don't base my tases on whether or not artists have penises.

Edit: Don't worry about Dan, he's just been drinking whiskey and smoking pot...
He'll appologise in the morning or maybe in the afternoon...

Surfacing · #33 02-23-2002, 12:23 AM

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Originally posted by Gluk Schmuck

*is staggered by Surfacing's amazing ability to be more misogynistic every post*

1. That shows that they can avoid being caught!

2. I must have missed the issue of New Scientist which had that article which proved beyond reasonable doubt that women are crap at wars and sport. Ah yes, I remember why. It's because New Scientist isn't misogynistic!

3. I don't care if you don't like the artists Dan mentioned, I like some of them. It's all about opinion and I don't base my tases on whether or not artists have penises.

Edit: Don't worry about Dan, he's just been drinking whiskey and smoking pot...
He'll appologise in the morning or maybe in the afternoon...

Why are you guys getting so offeneded about what i'm saying? This topic is about sexism, so there was bound to be a bit of a conflict, and no i have not been smoking pot i don't smoke, and i have'nt had any whiskey, and i will not be apologizing in the morning. I'm not saying that women are bad at everything only Wars and bands. Even if kittie did have penises they would still suck does'nt matter what type of sexual organ is in there pants its the way the intruments are played. Why are you starting to judge me just over this anyways?

Gluk Schmuck · #34 02-23-2002, 12:42 AM

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Originally posted by Surfacing
1. Why are you guys getting so offeneded about what i'm saying? This topic is about sexism, so there was bound to be a bit of a conflict

2. and no i have not been smoking pot i don't smoke, and i have'nt had any whiskey, and i will not be apologizing in the morning.

3. I'm not saying that women are bad at everything only Wars and bands.

4. Why are you starting to judge me just over this anyways?

1. Because you are being a bigot.

2. Since when have I ever called you Dan? I was talking about Dan, called 'Danny' acording to his username.

3. But they're not bad at wars or bands. No worse than men.

4. I judge everyone by what I know about them and end up having their profile in my long-term memory. For example,

Name: Summarised profile
Surfacing: Misogynist
Dan: Friend, Left
Sydney: Admin, Left
Pinky: Right

Et cetera

Sl'askia · #35 02-23-2002, 12:44 AM

Air Cadets eh? I am the Air Force and there are female officers (highest I have personally seen is Major, but I am sure there are women of higher rank then that). On the enlisted side I have seen female Chief Master sergeants (the highest rank you can go other then Chief Master Sergeant of the AF). So perhaps your 'Air Cadets' is a bit sexist. I know the Air Force isn't. I can't speak for the other services though.
As for the being captured bit...maybe women just make doublely sure they don't get caught. *grin* I know I would.

Malice: Hows the ice?

Spider: It's starting to give way under him...

Malice: oh boy...

Melvin:squeeking paramite · #36 02-23-2002, 01:30 AM

Well, I think that most that has been said here summarizes what I would say(save for Surfacing), if they hadn't replied... Especially Drag, because she has a first hand look in the military. I mean, how can you say women aren't out fighting in wars? Of course they are! You have very 1800's like thinking, there...
About women not being good musically, that is outrageous too... I mean, we can't really take that opinion. After all, you like some guys who wear creepy masks, and then go out and scream as loud as they possibly can into microphones. How about P.J Harvey? Bjork? Portishead? (Ok, I haven't really heard much of theirs, but I like what I have heard...) Smashing Pumpkins have a woman on bass, and some vocals... Many others... I just don't see why you find women to be so weak.

Edit: Agh! Dan is really drunk/high in here, isn't he? He really should refrain from posting when this happens...

Surfacing · #37 02-23-2002, 01:58 AM

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Originally posted by Dragadon
Air Cadets eh? I am the Air Force and there are female officers (highest I have personally seen is Major, but I am sure there are women of higher rank then that). On the enlisted side I have seen female Chief Master sergeants (the highest rank you can go other then Chief Master Sergeant of the AF). So perhaps your 'Air Cadets' is a bit sexist. I know the Air Force isn't. I can't speak for the other services though.
As for the being captured bit...maybe women just make doublely sure they don't get caught. *grin* I know I would.

Malice: Hows the ice?

Spider: It's starting to give way under him...

Malice: oh boy...

Are you Australian, because some of those ranks you just mentioned i have never heard of before, But your with the airforce huh? i guess that's pretty cool, so are you like learning to be a pilot? What is your rank anyway? Cause if your higher than me i'm gonna have to start calling you maim, Arhhh! Well i repect any member of the airforce be it male or female, how ironic this situation has become.

Sl'askia · #38 02-23-2002, 02:12 AM

I live in the USA and I am a Staff Sergeant. (5th rank up FYI). I work administrative stuff and take care of the computers and frankly I am quite happy at a desk job. I am not the 'go out and shoot someone type'. I despise(sp) guns in fact...
Anyway...we are getting off topic here...

Gluk Schmuck · #39 02-23-2002, 11:58 AM

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Originally posted by Dragadon
I live in the USA and I am a Staff Sergeant. (5th rank up FYI). I work administrative stuff and take care of the computers and frankly I am quite happy at a desk job. I am not the 'go out and shoot someone type'. I despise(sp) guns in fact...
Anyway...we are getting off topic here...

Thank you for closing your font tag.
Ahh, I never knew what you did in the military.

Anyway, Sophie Ellis Bextor; Pink; Dannii Minogue...

abe22 · #40 02-24-2002, 06:36 AM

About this Women being weak it's Bullshit. Ok I'm boasting a bit here but I don't care because I can beat any boy in a arm wrestle (Ok I can't remember how to spell it at the moment) and mercy where you bend their hands back so yeah *Spits tounge out.*

Who said women were trying to compete againest men in music? The new women singers arn't competing they're actually just showing off their bodies for money that's all.
Randy Crawford is a good singer Oh wait you wouldn't know her she doesn't do head banging stuff.

Statikk HDM · #41 02-24-2002, 06:21 PM

All of the classic and favorite bands for me are all or almost all guys. If a chick could play the bass like Les I would be impressed, but then again that wouldn't make her as good as claypool. I like a guy vocalist in a band way more than a girl lead vocalist, all right. Wow a few good bands, Dan, but kitty is no Slayer, all right. They aren't pantera or iced earth or morbid angel. good granted, but not epic. also, you would be a fool to deny that the miltary is built almost exclusivly on the oppressed backs of men alright. Women will get into college at a rate of almost 10 for every six by 2007. They almost always get payment and custody of children and all major assets after a divorce. I should know because my mother and father are divorced and are not friendly at all. They hate each other with an undying furvor. Guys are usually classified as learning disabled and disturbed. It is damn hard to be a guy in this world. Girls make way more moey, outway a guy in monetary assets by 141% and have hundreds of organizations looking out soley for them. Once aain guys are on the short end of the stick. So, Surfacing is right about the bands and the military and I am his men's lib supporting shill.

Surfacing · #42 02-25-2002, 02:34 AM

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Originally posted by Statikk HDM
All of the classic and favorite bands for me are all or almost all guys. If a chick could play the bass like Les I would be impressed, but then again that wouldn't make her as good as claypool. I like a guy vocalist in a band way more than a girl lead vocalist, all right. Wow a few good bands, Dan, but kitty is no Slayer, all right. They aren't pantera or iced earth or morbid angel. good granted, but not epic. also, you would be a fool to deny that the miltary is built almost exclusivly on the oppressed backs of men alright. Women will get into college at a rate of almost 10 for every six by 2007. They almost always get payment and custody of children and all major assets after a divorce. I should know because my mother and father are divorced and are not friendly at all. They hate each other with an undying furvor. Guys are usually classified as learning disabled and disturbed. It is damn hard to be a guy in this world. Girls make way more moey, outway a guy in monetary assets by 141% and have hundreds of organizations looking out soley for them. Once aain guys are on the short end of the stick. So, Surfacing is right about the bands and the military and I am his men's lib supporting shill.

Finally somebody thinking clearly!, It's true Military and bands are a man job, sure women can join in but they will never be as good.

Statikk HDM · #43 02-25-2002, 08:03 PM

For me anyways, this topic was meant to be as fluffy as cotton candy, and not a battle of the sexes. Anywho, if you are to tag me as a hypocritical misogynist, I would like to say this. I wasn't serious about the title! It was an attention grabber, no more no less. Well, i kind of intended it as a quasi joke about how different sports would be coed and if people would think it would be interesting. Well, now that the topic has degenerated into a sprawling debate about misogynism, let's define this term. Isn't a misogynist someone who enjoys watching and making women suffer? I'm certainly not that. I'm just going out on a limb to say that girl bands often aren't as good as all guy bands and that the military is, was, and always will be unfortunatly, male dominated! If you examine these statements without shrill name calling, you will see how logical they are.
Also, props to Surfacing for at least making this into a good discussion instead of something about how much pain a gender can take.

Gluk Schmuck · #44 02-25-2002, 08:57 PM

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Originally posted by Surfacing
Finally somebody thinking clearly!, It's true Military and bands are a man job, sure women can join in but they will never be as good.

Ahh yes, I forgot the mile-stone all bands are measured against was Slipknot's Army. Who could beat the vocal talents of Captain Clown-Face or Nail Bob-Head? I very much doubt a mere female could sound anything like the Almighty Slipknot! No sirey!

And now to the non-ironic part of my post...
Well if you're going to like a band like Slipknot who shout incoherently and loud as far as I can tell, I don't suppose you would think much of females in the music industry.

And now to the overly-exaggerated part of my post...
We'd better look out for this one in the future, he'll be telling tabloids that any kind of failure such as loosing a penny is the fault of those damned women!
(A bit like Hitler, Fallwell and Anderson)

Surfacing · #45 02-25-2002, 11:08 PM

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Originally posted by Gluk Schmuck

Ahh yes, I forgot the mile-stone all bands are measured against was Slipknot's Army. Who could beat the vocal talents of Captain Clown-Face or Nail Bob-Head? I very much doubt a mere female could sound anything like the Almighty Slipknot! No sirey!

And now to the non-ironic part of my post...
Well if you're going to like a band like Slipknot who shout incoherently and loud as far as I can tell, I don't suppose you would think much of females in the music industry.

And now to the overly-exaggerated part of my post...
We'd better look out for this one in the future, he'll be telling tabloids that any kind of failure such as loosing a penny is the fault of those damned women!
(A bit like Hitler, Fallwell and Anderson)

It's not just Slipknot i love, there a plenty of other bands i like e.g

*Metallica
*Linkin Park
*Limp Bizkit
*Slayer
*Fear Factory
*Mudvayne
*Disturbed
*Kryptonite
*Alien ant farm
*Greenday
*Offspring
*Blink 182
*System of a down
*American Hi fi

You see! it's not just all about slipknot, I don't know about you but most of those bands i just listed are not Neo metal bands, And they are all male bands!

Danny · #46 02-26-2002, 08:57 PM

What is the point in arguing about music? Everyone's tastes are different. Surfacing, posting that list didn't impress anyone (I like 3 of the bands off your list), and it was pointless. You like certain bands, other people like others. I didn't post that list of female artists to start an argument about musical tastes, I posted it to show you that women can quite easily and successfully make it into the music business (not the pop business, either - notice that all of my list were either proper bands or fronted proper bands). Now that I have made my point, can we drop that one, since we've already established that it is entirely down to opinion...

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Originally Posted by Statikk HDM:
You would be a fool to deny that the miltary is built almost exclusivly on the oppressed backs of men alright.(1) Women will get into college at a rate of almost 10 for every six by 2007.(2) They almost always get payment and custody of children and all major assets after a divorce.(3) I should know because my mother and father are divorced and are not friendly at all. They hate each other with an undying furvor. Guys are usually classified as learning disabled and disturbed.(4) It is damn hard to be a guy in this world.(5) Girls make way more money,(6) outway a guy in monetary assets by 141%(7) and have hundreds of organizations looking out soley for them.(8) Once aain guys are on the short end of the stick. So, Surfacing is right about the bands and the military(9) and I am his men's lib supporting shill.[/b]

1. I will take this as hyperbole, since men have never been oppressed...

2. Statistics are bollocks. Predicted Statistics are even worse. How could anybody possibly know what proportion of different sexes will get into College by 2007?

3. That is because, generally speaking, women are better at taking care of children than men. That is not a discussion point, it is a fact.

4. What the hell are you talking about here?

5. Socially, I think you're right here, women have it easier. But on the other hand, they have a harder time getting a decent job, they have to suffer the discrimination of the many mysoginists in the world (mentioning no names), and have you ever tried having a period? Things are improving, but the sexes are not equal yet, not by a long chalk. This topic itself proves that...

6. Bollocks.

7. Equally bollocks. Plus you misspelled "outweigh"...

8. When men are as disadvantaged as women have been over recent years, then they'll get their pressure groups...

9. Leaving aside my own opinions here, in what way has anything you have said here had anything to do with the Military, or anything to do with Bands (apart from your own tastes)?

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I'm just going out on a limb to say that girl bands often aren't as good as all guy bands(10) and that the military is, was, and always will be unfortunatly, male dominated!(11)

10. That is your opinion. What use is it here? How can you expect us to look at your opinion and conclude that it is "logical"? My opinion happens to match yours here, but that doesn't mean that Women are incapable of making good music (which was what Surfacing was saying), as my list proves...

11. We are not arguing that is IS male-dominated. What Surfacing is saying (and what we are disagreeing with) is that it should be male-dominated...

Yachiro · #47 02-26-2002, 09:08 PM

I heard bits and pieces on this discussion the males are physically stronger than women.That's so totally a load of crap.Most of the outcomes I've seen in these discussion alone is that the individual is bad,not the female.Females,in my brain,can be equal to men in every way.Even strength.

Jacob · #48 02-26-2002, 09:21 PM

Recent poll has been taken to show that the men who state that women are the stupider and weaker sex...have no balls...due to the fact women have kicked them in that area. Basically...men need women for physical pleasure...men overlook this when stating that women are stupid. Women also have more stamina and are alot easier to get along with than men...i cant stand the male sex...bastards the lot of them. Women...they kewl th0.

PinkHaired Mudokon CWR · #49 02-26-2002, 09:23 PM

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Originally posted by Surfacing

Finally somebody thinking clearly!, It's true Military and bands are a man job, sure women can join in but they will never be as good.

No, No-doubt.

PinkHaired Mudokon CWR · #50 02-26-2002, 09:24 PM

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Originally posted by Jacob
Recent poll has been taken to show that the men who state that women are the stupider and weaker sex...have no balls...due to the fact women have kicked them in that area. Basically...men need women for physical pleasure...men overlook this when stating that women are stupid. Women also have more stamina and are alot easier to get along with than men...i cant stand the male sex...bastards the lot of them. Women...they kewl th0.

YES!

Beer guzzling, pot-belly, homer simpson male race!

Jacob · #51 02-26-2002, 09:36 PM

lol to what Pinky put. What makes me laff is that males way of thinking...especially straight males. Its like 'Whoa...he cross' his legs when he sits...he so must be gay' or 'Look at him...he dunt play/like sport...he has to be a puff' while women jus' think 'He mite be gay...he mite not be...lets ask' and actually ask the peep if they are gay or straight. And if they get the answer to be 'I'm straight' they dont do...what man str8 lads do...go like 'Ur so not str8...look at u...u must bat 4 pakistan' Also women (Non-butch women of corse) Dont make inuendo's up and then laff at them...such like...'Lord of the Rings' (

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Statikk HDM · #52 02-26-2002, 09:59 PM

The frequent use of bullocks has left me confused. Dan, isn't a bolluck a bull without it's, uh, balls. At least that is what it means in farmsburg U.S.A. True, it is all musical taste. Secondly, although I hear where you are coming from Surfacing you put like the godfather of all satanic thrash metal("All the best rock bands come from hell" Sifl and Olly) on the same list as Blink 182! What next? Anthrx with N'Sync? U2 with Megadeth? Tell me when it will all end, the hating and the fights, the odd musical taste and gender inequality?!! Why Sweet Jesus, why!!!

Danny · #53 02-26-2002, 10:01 PM

Chris, I hate to have to point this out, but you're not gay... You really shouldn't need reminding of this...

To the best of my knowledge, Tom and myself are the only people remotely homosexual on the forums...

PinkHaired Mudokon CWR · #54 02-27-2002, 12:18 AM

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Originally posted by Danny
Chris, I hate to have to point this out, but you're not gay... You really shouldn't need reminding of this... To the best of my knowledge, Tom and myself are the only people remotely homosexual on the forums...

How would you know? Did you ask everyone? I thought you were bisexual.

Surfacing · #55 02-27-2002, 05:37 AM

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Originally posted by Danny
What is the point in arguing about music? Everyone's tastes are different. Surfacing, posting that list didn't impress anyone (I like 3 of the bands off your list), and it was pointless. You like certain bands, other people like others. I didn't post that list of female artists to start an argument about musical tastes, I posted it to show you that women can quite easily and successfully make it into the music business (not the pop business, either - notice that all of my list were either proper bands or fronted proper bands). Now that I have made my point, can we drop that one, since we've already established that it is entirely down to opinion...

1. I will take this as hyperbole, since men have never been oppressed...

2. Statistics are bollocks. Predicted Statistics are even worse. How could anybody possibly know what proportion of different sexes will get into College by 2007?

3. That is because, generally speaking, women are better at taking care of children than men. That is not a discussion point, it is a fact.

4. What the hell are you talking about here?

5. Socially, I think you're right here, women have it easier. But on the other hand, they have a harder time getting a decent job, they have to suffer the discrimination of the many mysoginists in the world (mentioning no names), and have you ever tried having a period? Things are improving, but the sexes are not equal yet, not by a long chalk. This topic itself proves that...

6. Bollocks.

7. Equally bollocks. Plus you misspelled "outweigh"...

8. When men are as disadvantaged as women have been over recent years, then they'll get their pressure groups...

9. Leaving aside my own opinions here, in what way has anything you have said here had anything to do with the Military, or anything to do with Bands (apart from your own tastes)?

10. That is your opinion. What use is it here? How can you expect us to look at your opinion and conclude that it is "logical"? My opinion happens to match yours here, but that doesn't mean that Women are incapable of making good music (which was what Surfacing was saying), as my list proves...

11. We are not arguing that is IS male-dominated. What Surfacing is saying (and what we are disagreeing with) is that it should be male-dominated...

Danny the reason i put up a list of bands i like is to firstly to prove how many i like and also to prove that they were all male bands, the whole point of listing them was to show that the majority of great bands around the world are yes male. I'm sure you like more male bands than female bands, arn't i right?

Gluk Schmuck · #56 02-27-2002, 02:04 PM

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Originally posted by PinkHaired Mudokon CWR
How would you know? Did you ask everyone? I thought you were bisexual.

Bisexual is more homosexual than hetrosexual is. I'll draw a diagram...

Hetro Bi Homo
See, Bi is closer to Homo than Hetro is!

And yes, Dan asked. Sydney also asked in his questionnaire.

Stattik, Dan said 'bollocks', not 'bullocks'!
Bollocks are those things that, according to Chris, you either don't have or will soon lose!

Danny · #57 02-27-2002, 07:46 PM

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Originally posted by Surfacing
the whole point of listing them was to show that the majority of great bands around the world are yes male.

That list proved nothing though. Can't you see that you can't use your own opinions to try and prove something that is objective?

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I'm sure you like more male bands than female bands, arn't i right?

Yes, I do. In what way does that make you right? Just because most of the bands we like are male, that does not mean that they are the only great bands. Different people's opinions are different, in case you haven't noticed. I find it irritating that not only do you use objective terminology to describe something that is inherently subjective (and, in fact, can never be anything but), but also you seem to actually believe that your opinions are absolute. The majority of the bands I like are also male, but I am able to see that that is my own opinion, and therefore I do not make sweeping objective statements about all female musicians...

Surfacing · #58 02-27-2002, 07:54 PM

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Originally posted by Danny
That list proved nothing though. Can't you see that you can't use your own opinions to try and prove something that is objective?

Yes, I do. In what way does that make you right? Just because most of the bands we like are male, that does not mean that they are the only great bands. Different people's opinions are different, in case you haven't noticed. I find it irritating that not only do you use objective terminology to describe something that is inherently subjective (and, in fact, can never be anything but), but also you seem to actually believe that your opinions are absolute. The majority of the bands I like are also male, but I am able to see that that is my own opinion, and therefore I do not make sweeping objective statements about all female musicians...

You see how ironic this is, i'm saying men have better bands and i'm taking this argument up with a male! i should be argueing with a female but obviosly female's agree with me cause they are not responding to what i'm saying, i want to argue this point to a female, what's the point of you argueing with me Rettick? let the women stick up for them selfves.

Danny · #59 02-27-2002, 08:50 PM

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Originally posted by Surfacing
You see how ironic this is, i'm saying men have better bands and i'm taking this argument up with a male! i should be argueing with a female but obviosly female's agree with me cause they are not responding to what i'm saying, i want to argue this point to a female, what's the point of you argueing with me Rettick? let the women stick up for them selfves.

It's not ironic at all if you realise that I don't split people up into two big groups called "male" and "female". If I disagree with what you are saying, I will argue. You said "i don't think i have ever heard one good women band think about it the greatest bands in the world are by men", I disagreed, and so I took you up on your point. So what if I disagree with another man and agree with a woman? Gender Segregation isn't enforced on the forums, is it?

Surfacing · #60 02-27-2002, 08:54 PM

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Originally posted by Danny
It's not ironic at all if you realise that I don't split people up into two big groups called "male" and "female". If I disagree with what you are saying, I will argue. You said "i don't think i have ever heard one good women band think about it the greatest bands in the world are by men", I disagreed, and so I took you up on your point. So what if I disagree with another man and agree with a woman? Gender Segregation isn't enforced on the forums, is it?

Nothing you can say or do can change the fact the males are more poplular and more skilled when it comes to bands, believe what you like but the truth is Females are no match againest Males in terms of bands. And yes the greatest bands in the world are by men alot of people would agree with me on that, would you like me to put a poll?