a question for vegitarians

[Sl'askia]

to be honest and quite frank, yes. The gene pool would be purer that way. But again...only if we hadn't strayed from the path of nature. I would not ask that a disabled or 'defective' individual be left out in the wild to die now. I may have 'unfavorable' opinions about this...but I am not an inhumane monster.

[ December 28, 2001: Message edited by: Dragadon ]

[abe22]

Originally posted by Dragadon:
The world will recover yes...but it will take a long time after humans stop destroying it for it to do so.

I don't think the world will recover. Humans are so bloody greedy and selfish these days and most of the world doesn't care about it only a few do which is sad. It will take a real, real, real long time before the human race gets their act together but by then the sun will have engulfed the earth already oh well I wont be around to see that.

[Steve]

humans are a case of overperfection (I know we aren't perfect but thats what it's called) much like sabertooth tigers. sabertooth tigers were so good at what they did they killed all available food then died out but in this case this happened many times. we if we don't stop what we're doing will become extinct only we will take a lot of animals with us.

[Danny]

Originally posted by abe22:
I don't think the world will recover.(1) Humans are so bloody greedy and selfish these days and most of the world doesn't care about it only a few do which is sad.(2) It will take a real, real, real long time before the human race gets their act together but by then the sun will have engulfed the earth already oh well I wont be around to see that.(3)

1. Yes it will. Life will adapt. Billions of years ago, oxygen was a poison. It was the waste product produced by the new microbes, and it was slowly killing the Earth. But then life adapted to use oxygen, and Evolution continued. It will be like that. The Earth will adapt to whatever conditions we leave it. I am not saying that it is a good thing that humans are going around killing everything, I'm just saying that the Earth is Foolproof. Even against such ingenious fools as humans...

2. Agreed. Depressing, isn't it?

3. Now this is a bit exaggerated, isn't it? The Sun will not become a Red Giant for sevral Billions of years, which is longer than most species can expect to survive naturally anyway. By the time the Sun kills everything, Humans will have been and gone, and Earth will have recovered, and then probably had to face another threat, and recovered from that as well...

[abe22]

Still Humans will keep on cuting down forests for more humans in this world to live in, and they'll keep on killing animals untill most are extict like tigers nearly are. In five years or so tigers will be wiped on this earth due to humans. Alot more wars will start because of humans And then way in the future this world will be so hi-tech it will be all electric. This world will turn out to be a BIG shit hole.

Well thats my prediction on what the earth will turn out as due to humans.

[Sl'askia]

There was a movie once called 'Silent Running' (I think). It was about a ship that held that last of the Earths wildlife in pods that were transperent on the top to let sunlight in. Earth by then was nothing but one big city.
One day an order came through from Earth for the crews of these ships to destroy the pods and come home. One guy however, wanted to continue to preserve the last of the wildlife...but the rest of his crewmates only cared about going home. In the end he ended up killing the rest of his crewmates and took control of the ship, by then all but one of the pods have been destroyed.
Knowing he was being persued this guy went on the run. But soon he realized that the further he got from the sun...the more the plantlife wilted and started to die. As a last resort, he set up an array of artifical lights to keep the plantlife alive and set a small robot to the task of maintaining it. He then ejected the pod...sending it out and away from those that would want to destroy it...and destroyed the ship..himself along with it.

Now...if we do not stop now...this may very well happen. Do we really want the Earth to become nothing but concrete and steel? I don't...I think wildlife is much prettier...

[Disgruntled Intern]

I know i'm straying off topic a bit, but i need to ask this-
Do any of you feel it's wrong to eat or drink dairy products? or to eat eggs?
Because well...that's just silly, but i'd be curious to know how many of you vegans feel that way.
As far as the animals being horribly slaughtered, well unfortunatley, i used to work in a slaughter house for a brief time, and while it is gory, the more modernized ones don't seem to interested in slitting throats and electrocuting them.
In the SH i worked at, it was all very quick.
The cow was simply shot in the head with what looked like an industrial rivet gun..thing.
Anyway my point is this-
Some people enjoy meat, and i for one, love it.
You'd think after working in a slaughter house i'd be repulsed by meat, but i'm not. Does this make me barbaric? no. It just means that i'm aware of the fact that these animals would die any way, so why not enjoy what they have to offer? tasty tasty meat!
mmmm...
and as fr as your sausage comment Rettick-
i tend to stay away from hot dogs, just cause of what's in 'em.

[Danny]

People seem to have misinterpreted my sausage comment; I was just trying to show how stupid the idea that meat was 'exciting' was. Still, I think what people thought I said was more interesting than what I really said anyway...

A while back, Sydney [I think] posted a picture of all the baby chicks who were being thrown away because the farmer people wanted eggs, and these ones had been fertilised. I know that the Egg and Milk industries also cause suffering to animals, but I still eat, because I like Eggs and Cheese a lot. But at least I don't try and justify it like you lot try and justify eating meat... Besides, I only eat Free Range eggs, as that causes infinitely less suffering than Battery Farming...

EDIT: I just noticed Disgruntled's comment:

these animals would die any way(1), so why not enjoy what they have to offer? tasty tasty meat!(2)

1. No they wouldn't, because they wouldn't have been born, they wouldn't have had to live in those cramped conditions, or die in that painful way [because whatever you say, getting herded into a Slaughterhouse to die does not sound like my idea of a good day, even if you get shot].

2. Meat is vile stuff anyway. It is unhygenically prepared, and has been linked to several diseases, including several forms of cancer. Besides all that, it doesn't taste very nice either - Even my non-vegetarian friends prefer to eat meat substitute products than meat, because they say it tastes so much nicer...

[ December 30, 2001: Message edited by: Rettick ]

[abe22]

Did you know that most veggies and fruit are made by genetic engineering or geneticle made something like that and do you know how you get fruit but its not the season when they are ripe. The year before in the season which it is ripe they put it in this thing (can't remember what it's called) and put all this stuff on it and they keep for ages in this special thing then it gets shipped to the supermarkets so where eating things which are nearly a year old.

[Danny]

Originally posted by abe22:
Did you know that most veggies and fruit are made by genetic engineering or geneticle made something like that(1) and do you know how you get fruit but its not the season when they are ripe. The year before in the season which it is ripe they put it in this thing (can't remember what it's called) and put all this stuff on it and they keep for ages in this special thing then it gets shipped to the supermarkets so where eating things which are nearly a year old.(2)

1. People have been Genetically Engineering their fruit for thousands of years, and I don't hear anyone complaining about Nectarines or Kiwi Fruits...

2. Have you never heard of Importing? That is how we get fruit at the wrong time of year...

[abe22]

Originally posted by Rettick:
Have you never heard of Importing? That is how we get fruit at the wrong time of year...

I have actually been to a place where they spray on the chemicals and put it into those things to keep them ripe for different seasons. (still can't remember what they are called) and yes I have heard of importation.

[General Grakkus]

well in my opinion theyd eat us if they could or had to...