a question for vegitarians
 

would you be willing to eat meat from something like the cow in hitchhikers guide to the galaxy(an animal that wants to be eaten and can infact state that it does).

No. The thought of eating a cow (especially one that requests to be eaten) is nauseating.

Cows are not on my menu. Even if they request me to eat them. Same with any other animal.
- DH

My gosh, do you guys eat anything fun?

Of coruse we do. :) Vegie frankferters with beans and mash potato is very nice. . . How about a salad cream sarnie? Or egg, lettace and salad cream? Mmmm. . . Actually I cna't be bothered to think of fun food right now.
- DH

Very good point Sydney. *throws-up*

So, Pinky, you call a cow which requests to be eaten fun food?


PS, to Sydney: Did you get that PM I sent you?

[ December 26, 2001: Message edited by: Gluk Schmuck ]

What is fun about devouring the bloody corpses of beings who were violently and unwillingly killed?

Gluk: I just replied to it now.

[ December 26, 2001: Message edited by: Sydney ]

I have very little to add, except to agree with Sydney on this one...

*Slaps forehead* Oh My gawd, I was talking about just eating fruits and vegetables all the time. Not cows. I don't eat cows myself. It's fun to eat! :D! Bwahahaha...

1 Eating isn't meant to be 'fun' anyway. It's to keep you alive.
2 Please stop thinking that all meat-eaters are barbarians. We don't 'devour' our food or jump on it slathering and frothing at the mouth... we eat just as civilisedly as you do.
3 It's not bloody when you eat it.
4 They are not 'beings'. Cows, chickens and turkeys, for instance, are deeply stupid. Turkeys are so stupid that they don't have enough sense to come indoors when it's cold and raining, and you can frighten a turkey to death by fluttering bits of paper at it.
5 I don't believe that reputable companies like Sainsbury's would sell meat that hasn't been humanely killed.
6 The topic we're discussing is whether you'd eat an animal that actually wanted to be eaten.

To respond to Steve' original question, I see no problems with eating something that wants you to.
Another question for vegetarians: you all seem to be against factory farming. How do you feel about eating animals that have died in the wild of natural causes after leading long and happy lives?

1. You don't need meat to keep you alive; my point was referring specifically to meat eating, not food in general.
2. I didn't say anything about barbarians. Nor did I say that you jumped on your food, or frothed at the mouth. If you deny that you devour meat, I guess that makes you a vegetarian.
3. I described it as bloody for dramatic effect, which I thought was obvious.
4. A creature of low intelligence isn't stripped of its definition as a being.
5. If botched electric shocks and slitting throats isn't considered violent by you, I don't know what is.
6. I was responding to Pinkhaired's general comment against vegetarianism.

If I was a vegetarian, I would be more skinny as I am now. I'm not that skinny, I do have like muscke and curves and stuff, I don't look anorexic or anything. Meat fills me up, I will go insane if I just eat legumes. We don't devour meat like barbaric animals Sydman. Add alittle adventure to ya life. Meat! Bwahahaahahahah. Yummy. No excuse me, I gotta eat this cheeseburger with pickles and ketchup and everything *drools*

[ December 27, 2001: Message edited by: PinkHaired Mudokon CWR ]

Do you vegie guys eat fish from shops? I just want to know.

Heck no! I think that'd be really sick; I certainly wouldn't kill it and eat it; sure I'd kill it if it was suffering or something, but not eat it.
Hitchhikers guide is a great series though. "I'm so cool you could keep a slab of meat fresh in my pants for a week, and I'm so hip I can't see over my thighs!" Ah that wacky Zaphod.
Edit: Oh, and to that fish question: Eugh! I've always hated seafood, even when I was still eating meat!

[ December 27, 2001: Message edited by: The Magog On The March ]

We don't eat fish from shops, rivers, helicopters or anywhere!

For one ,I HATE VEGITABLES, and what, you guys have never had at least a BOLUNGIA [its' pronounced 'bolonie'] sandwich?

...Mudokon101

The first time I heard of a bolony sanwich was on Friends and this is the last time I've heard of it. I've never seen one in a shop.
Is it Italian? I've had a Napoli which was soooooooo yummy!
I can't find anywhere that sells Naopis in England. I had my first and last Napoli in Old Sacramento. *loves California*

You, MAKE , them at your house, I think its' 2 slices of bread with Cheese and usually 2 slices of Bolungia in the middle ....sometime people put Mustard on them.....yyyyyeeeeeewwuuucccccckk

...Mudokon101

I hate bologna.. (I think that's how you spell it e_e) But I love mustard! heh. especially honey mustard! But the best things are those Morning Star Vegitarian Buffalo Wings..

Ooo, a double oxymoron. 'Vegetarian buffalo' and 'buffalo wings'.

Oh yes, Meat is certainly adventurous, isn't it... I'm sure your heart pounds as you sink your teeth into the sausage, not knowing what lies within...

I may not be a veggian...but if I meet an animal that begged me to kill eat it it would sicken me...I would be thinking has he no will to live?.
Yes I do believe that all animals are intelligent each in their own way. I do agree with DH that it would be better if we all hunted our own food, but we have become too moderized now. My point is this: If mankind hadn't gotten so far away from nature...we wouldn't be having this debate.

Why? Because we'd still be barbaric Hunter-Gatherers?

*drools* That sounds so goodd!!1 I already know what lies in it. That's why I love it :D

we weren't 'barbaric'...it may have seemed that way though...we did what we did to survive..you know...the old 'survival of the fittest' thing.

I'm just asking - when you said "we wouldn't be having this conversation if we hadn't grown so far from nature", did you mean that that would be a good thing or a bad thing?

"If mankind hadn't gotten so far away from nature...we wouldn't be having this debate."

What I meant here was that if humans stayed as Hunter/Gathers the world would still be in balance..which is a good thing. Due to our advancement the world is fast becoming unbalanced...which is a bad thing.
The world will recover yes...but it will take a long time after humans stop destroying it for it to do so.
Another way I think you are asking goes back to another topic (I don't remember which one it was), where I mentioned that our advancement was causing us to weaken our gene pool...thus preventing favorable advancement in an evolution sense.

I disagree. The world has never been, and never will be, in balance. And I think it is a good thing that people who would [by your rules] have died in the wild are now being given the chance to contribute something to the world. The fact is that, for better or worse, evolution among humans no longer occurs by survival of the fittest. If you had a genetic disability, would you still be preaching that people like you should have died to encourage favourable evolution?

if I am not fit to survive, then so be it...let nature do as it will to me. If something was to happen to me and only a machine would be keeping me alive...I would chose death.
But that is just me. As I stated in another topic, I do not wish that we suddenly just stop using that which has kept us alive. Nay...that would cause too much suffering and pain...which I do not wish upon anyone.
But one more point. If man had never left the way of nature...there wouldn't be any of those with 'defects' to preach to...as they would have perished not long after birth.

I'm not talking about being on artificial life support, I'm just talking about genetic disabilities that would mean that a person would not survive in the wild, but can be allowed to live a full life in our society.

My point is: Do you think that would be a good thing?