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Phylum · #31 06-05-2012, 04:45 AM

While I'm not thinking about being a parent now I know that at some point it would be wonderful to have a child. Having recently spent time with my 7 month old niece and my cousin's several week old baby I can see lots of good things coming from the experience.

You'd be incredibly hard pressed not to love your child, no matter how much they act like little shits. People have remarkable bonds with the children they've raised. Overall it's a really great thing and I look forward to being ready for it one day.

That said, with enough luck I'll have a good few years of assing around the world with my flute after uni before I settle down to that.

MeechMunchie · #32 06-05-2012, 04:57 AM

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That said, with enough luck I'll have a good few years of assing around the world with my flute after uni before I settle down to that.

Suddenly I had visions of the Pied Piper. You should get some tights and a bag of trained rats.

Phylum · #33 06-05-2012, 04:59 AM

That could be a really effective flashmob. I need to play piccolo and arrange for a large group of children to follow me around suddenly.

I think I might need to go recruiting at my old primary school tomorrow.

Manco · #34 06-05-2012, 05:04 AM

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assing around the world with my flute

Play the brown note!

OANST · #35 06-05-2012, 06:36 AM

It's not always easy to be a good parent, much less a great one, and sometimes you get things wrong, but the most important part is the easiest. Make sure that child knows that you love it, and never ever has to question that. If you can manage that then you will have the greatest gift another human being could ever give you. Unconditional, and trusting love.

**JayDee** · #36 06-05-2012, 06:57 AM

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It's not always easy to be a good parent, much less a great one, and sometimes you get things wrong, but the most important part is the easiest. Make sure that child knows that you love it, and never ever has to question that. If you can manage that then you will have the greatest gift another human being could ever give you. Unconditional, and trusting love.

This. Makes me want to have a kid someday.

Bullet Magnet · #37 06-05-2012, 03:58 PM

Assuming I ever become capable of fully supporting another person in addition to myself, I'd like kids someday. Cloned, naturally. I don't know how else I can get one.

Mac Sirloin · #38 06-05-2012, 04:03 PM

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Assuming I ever become capable of fully supporting another person in addition to myself, I'd like kids someday. Cloned, naturally. I don't know how else I can get one.

I wish I could be naturally cloned. I gotta use some kind of an agency otherwise.

Sekto Springs · #39 06-05-2012, 04:03 PM

BM, we need to have the talk.

STM · #40 06-05-2012, 04:28 PM

Aww, BM, all sweet and innocent like.

enchilado · #41 06-05-2012, 06:48 PM

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I like how everyone in this thread seems to be oblivious to the fact that almost nobody wants kids at their age, and will have probably changed their minds by the time they're 35.

Since this is pretty much exactly what I was going to post I'll just Q it FT. Plenty of young kids can't imagine that they'd ever want to have sex but they sure as hell will. It's hard if not impossible to imagine feeling or thinking differently (I believe this is why some people think that, E.G., non-human animals are not conscious; I can't imagine what it's like to be a dog but that doesn't mean a dog doesn't experience anything) but that doesn't mean feeling or thinking differently is impossible itself.

Also, the people who rant about how much they actually hate children baffle and sicken me.

Sekto Springs · #42 06-05-2012, 06:52 PM

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I like how everyone in this thread seems to be oblivious to the fact that almost nobody wants kids at their age, and will have probably changed their minds by the time they're 35.

I'm not oblivious to this fact, but I stand by that even if I do eventually want kids, I would be an awful father. I am quick to anger, I'm irresponsible, and I have far too many other things I'm invested in to take care of any larvae.

Also, 35 is a bit steep. Your biological clock kicks in about 10 years earlier than that. Even earlier for girls.

Bullet Magnet · #43 06-05-2012, 06:56 PM

The second two tend to change after having kids if you're a half-way decent human being.

As for the first, they'll manage. I did.

Sekto Springs · #44 06-05-2012, 07:05 PM

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The second two tend to change after having kids if you're a half-way decent human being.

I'm not.

Bullet Magnet · #45 06-05-2012, 07:10 PM

You're at least two-thirds. You'll be fine.

Sekto Springs · #46 06-05-2012, 07:13 PM

I really really do not want kids. If that changes, I'm going to be pissed at my future self.

Bullet Magnet · #47 06-05-2012, 07:17 PM

I'm only saying that you would not suck, not that you secretly do or will want kids. Even though you might.

Sekto Springs · #48 06-05-2012, 07:22 PM

I'm pretty sure I would suck. I can be very patient, but I already have so much self loathing. Adding "bad father" to the repertoire would probably put me in the grave.

If I absolutely had to have a child (which I don't, and for me to instinctually feel otherwise seems like an evolutionary flaw), I would do what Strike Witch would and adopt. The world has enough fucking people. Might as well take one of the spare ones.

Bullet Magnet · #49 06-05-2012, 07:27 PM

Harder than you'd think, competition is high.

Sekto Springs · #50 06-05-2012, 07:38 PM

Then why are so many kids still orphaned?

Fluff [: · #51 06-05-2012, 08:20 PM

I bet your a good father OANST. its inspiring actually

***Nate*** · #52 06-06-2012, 12:00 AM

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Then why are so many kids still orphaned?

How are you counting 'so many'? There are actually very few orphaned kids in the developed world these days.

moxco · #53 06-06-2012, 12:28 AM

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Also, the people who rant about how much they actually hate children baffle and sicken me.

I don't hate children, I just hate how adults think about them.

EDIT: I'm not talking about paedophilia.

Wings of Fire · #54 06-06-2012, 01:09 AM

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I don't hate children, I just hate how adults think about them.

EDIT: I'm not talking about paedophilia.

You hate how adults have a compassionate protective urge towards the very young and defenseless?

MeechMunchie · #55 06-06-2012, 05:02 AM

The world would be a lot simpler if everyone was acutely aware that their instinctive love for their offspring was a base evolutionary strategy that makes them blind to pretty much every other priority in life... but it wouldn't be any nicer.

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Also, 35 is a bit steep. Your biological clock kicks in about 10 years earlier than that. Even earlier for girls.

It's a liberal estimate. Note the use of the qualifer "by the time".

OANST · #56 06-06-2012, 06:38 AM

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The world would be a lot simpler if everyone was acutely aware that their instinctive love for their offspring was a base evolutionary strategy that makes them blind to pretty much every other priority in life... but it wouldn't be any nicer.

How would it be simpler?

Slog Bait · #57 06-06-2012, 07:40 AM

My basic instincts say I want kids, but I really don't. Too much money, work, and even though I know this tends to change after a child is born, I'm way too selfish. I dislike children. Occasionally I'll run into one phenomenal kid with a great personality and fun to talk to, but that doesn't really change my view on kids. I'd much rather care for any other young or newborn animal out there than a human.

Even if I had decided yeah sure I'll raise a kid, I'd prefer to adopt because there's already a lot of people in the world and I don't want to add on to our already massive population. Unfortunately because of personal reasons it would be incredibly difficult for any adoption agencies to even consider me as "qualified".

Sekto Springs · #58 06-06-2012, 08:15 AM

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How are you counting 'so many'? There are actually very few orphaned kids in the developed world these days.

The statistic changes every year for the US, but it's always somewhere between 2-5%. That's still several million.

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Unfortunately because of personal reasons it would be incredibly difficult for any adoption agencies to even consider me as "qualified".

This. I've gone down the list of qualifications from CPS and the like, and I do not meet their standards for raising a child by a mile. If they say I'm not qualified to adopt, then I'm not qualified to parent my own either.

STM · #59 06-06-2012, 12:20 PM

We're all the children of a humanoid alien race...and they hate us.

Anyone else seen it yet? ;D

***Nate*** · #60 06-06-2012, 05:33 PM

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The statistic changes every year for the US, but it's always somewhere between 2-5%. That's still several million.

Without having seen the statistics, I suspect you're talking about kids in need of foster care, rather than orphans. There's no way that the parents of 2-5% of children in the US are both dead.

Foster care is a very different legal situation. You're not their legal parent and you really don't get a chance to raise the child as your own. They can be taken back if their parents clean their act up.

I only know the stats for Australia, but on a national level (population of 23 million), there are something like 8 internal adoptions every year. By 'internal', I mean Australian parents adopting Australian-born children. And most of those are children being adopted by members of their extended family.