Incest! -

shaman · #31 06-19-2009, 02:22 AM

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I know you were joking, don't crap your pants.

I agree that siblings having kids is taking it too far. However I do think that as long as they aren't hurting anyone else they should be able to do as they please. If that means humping your dad every day then so be it :s.

By any means though, I don't think a sexual relationship with a blood relative should be classed as illegal.

Totally agree...

Havoc · #32 06-19-2009, 03:19 AM

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But the worst kind is unknown incest where 2 people get married or somthing and don't know they are related.

That would be fun to see happen. Can you imagine the look on someone's face?

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As someone who never had any brothers and sisters to grow up with (I have a half brother and half sister) I don't know the sibling love feeling. On the matter of incest I've always thought to myself that if I would have had a sister I wouldn't have had any problems with it if something did happen with me and the supposed sister. The idea always appealed to me because it's so 'not done' and as you all know I'm into things that are 'not done'

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So my question to people who do have a brother/sister, has there ever been a time where you had a thought of things that could happen between you and your sibling? I'd assume a hormone driven teenager has had such thoughts at least once, but for all I know the sibling bond is much stronger than that, I dunno.

AlexFili · #33 06-19-2009, 03:34 AM

According to Wikipedia (Which isn't always 100% true about everything)
Inbreeding causes the following;

* reduced fertility both in litter size and sperm viability
* increased genetic disorders
* fluctuating facial asymmetry
* lower birth rate
* higher infant mortality
* slower growth rate
* smaller adult size
* loss of immune system function.

The reduced genetic diversity that results from inbreeding may mean a species may not be able to adapt to changes in environmental conditions. Each individual will have similar immune systems, as immune systems are genetically based. Where a species becomes endangered, the population may fall below a minimum whereby the forced interbreeding between the remaining animals will result in extinction.

joshkrz · #34 06-19-2009, 03:44 AM

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[FAMILY TREE IMAGE]

Yeah. that's a serious picture.

THATS FUCKED UP! Kids having kids with there parents! :O

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I find incest messed up. The thought of been attracted to someone in your family makes me cringe.

I reckon if you want to, to keep it in your fantasys.

There is a girl at our school who is apparently imbred and people bully the shit out of her. She dosent deny it though which I find stupid, you wouldn't want people knowing that kind of thing.

Fuzzle Guy · #35 06-19-2009, 04:07 AM

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There is a girl at our school who is apparently imbred and people bully the shit out of her. She dosent deny it though which I find stupid, you wouldn't want people knowing that kind of thing.

Unless she enjoyed the attention.

Laser · #36 06-19-2009, 04:07 AM

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Yeah. that's a serious picture.

Any suprises he looked like this and had several things wrong with him mentally?

used:) · #37 06-19-2009, 07:53 AM

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I could be off my nut here, but aren't royal family bloodlines known to inbreed? Aren't there stories of royal families having babby after babby until one is 'acceptable' as an heir, due to the genetic difficulties encountered with inbreeding; killing off the hideously deformed ones?

I vaguely recall there being stories like this; royal families believing they were 'cursed' because of all the hideously deformed children.

King Tut had a long list of medical problems which I think are believed to have come from incest.

T-nex · #38 06-19-2009, 10:13 AM

I guess im one of those who doesn't have a grudge against incest at all, as long as it's consensual, in the legal sex-age(dunno what it's called) and they don't make children... As much as it pains me that they can't have children, it's not secret that offspring from siblings may have on or more problems... If that was to be fixed somehow I wouldn't have a thing against that either.

If people think incest is wrong, they should rethink their openness... Cos it doesn't hurt anyone(as long as the above conditions are true of course).

EDIT: oh.. And just wanted to say that I myself couldn't ever be with any sibling and I dont find the thought hot to me at all.

***Wil*** · #39 06-19-2009, 11:33 AM

I’m surprised by the amount of tollerance towards limited incestuous relationships that’s being expressed here. It’s such glimpses of a thoughtful, understanding community that make me glad I stick around.

I love you guys. Incestuously.

I completely understand the opposing view of incest; in turn I appreciate the tollerance between the opinions themselves.

used:) · #40 06-19-2009, 11:35 AM

I suppose I'm OKAY with it as long as it doesn't infringe on anyone else's individual rights.

This must be how conservative libertarians feel about gay marriage.

T-nex · #41 06-19-2009, 11:54 AM

How the hell can incest infringe on other people's rights? Incest happens between two people and the rest of the world doesn't matter. It's just love... Or lust...

used:) · #42 06-19-2009, 12:02 PM

Infringe being if any of the participants don't agree to it, rape.

T-nex · #43 06-19-2009, 12:04 PM

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Infringe being if any of the participants don't agree to it, rape.

Oh... Well that's a given >_< that's what everyone have said so far.

Rape is bad ^^ Unless its consensual... Which makes it roleplay... why am I saying this= D=

Havoc · #44 06-19-2009, 01:00 PM

Rape, per definition, is never consensual.

T-nex · #45 06-19-2009, 01:21 PM

Sigh... <.< But there is something called "Consensual rape".. Look into it if you wanna know more.

Havoc · #46 06-19-2009, 01:28 PM

Yeah but if you're roleplaying a rape, aren't both parties actually consenting to the role play and thus no forcing of any kind is being done? Hence the word rape does not apply.

Wings of Fire · #47 06-19-2009, 01:29 PM

Definitions of words slide to suit purpose, the concept 'Consensual Rape' stands no matter how traditionally logically fallacious and frankly bizarre it is.

Bullet Magnet · #48 06-19-2009, 01:37 PM

Most of us, myself included, have an automatic knee-erk reaction of disgust towards incest. For many people, that seems to be enough basis to declare something right or wrong and therefore organise sweeping social and legal consequences. Not an attitude I can understand, I need a little more substance to back my moral stances.

The fact is, I can't fathom any way a sibling relationship can harm anyone. If it is the product or cause of some deeper problem that is affecting their social and mental health, then action should be taken, but for those reasons rather than the incest itself. There is a difference between a loving if incestuous relationship, and abuse. Children should really be avoided, though. Parent-offspring relationships are a different matter. There is far greater scope for abuse, harm and paedophilia, and the risks for any children are also greater.

Basically, under the "right" circumstances, I would willingly tolerate it, though I don't advise it.

That said, we might have different opinions if we consider it in the context of our own future children. That would be a bit of a dilemma, make no mistake.

Havoc · #49 06-19-2009, 01:57 PM

Speaking strictly in legal age, consenting relationships, I wouldn't see a problem for parent-offspring relations either. Fact is though that those kind of relations happen a LOT less (in fact I can't recall ever hearing about it, now that I think about it) then a sibling relation.

As for my own future children, if they reach the age of 16ish and on some unfortunate day I find out they are messing around with each other, consenting and all, then I won't make a big fuss about it. I'd sit down with them and have a chat, ask some questions (for the love of god, tell me you didn't get your sister pregnant!) and would respect their decisions in the matter unless they start talking about having kids.
A household can get a little tense in a situation like that though. In the back of your head you'll always be asking yourself as a parent if they are upstairs doing their homework or learning for a biology exam.

ArtemisPanthar · #50 06-19-2009, 01:57 PM

I read somewhere that, typically, people tend to react more violently toward the concept of incest over the concept of other things like necrophilia and bestiality even though its generally the most consensual. Conceivably this is because we're wired to oppose inbreeding due to the genetic problems not being conducive to furthering our line. Of course, we're not all wired the exact same way.

However, I don't care what people do unless it hurts other people (I mean actually hurt them, not the 'it offends my ethics' bull). I certainly don't think they should have kids but I really have no control over that. Incest is preferable over...so many things. Would that it could be the worst a person could do.

Personally, however, I find the idea very squicky. I have a lot of siblings I'm close with, though, so it might just be that I can't understand how someone could feel like that for a sibling. I'm also a twin and have had some such lewd comments made about that which I've never appreciated. Bah.

OANST · #51 06-19-2009, 02:00 PM

Well, I find it to be rather gross, but that doesn't mean it's wrong. I also think sushi is pretty gross.

Havoc · #52 06-19-2009, 02:01 PM

Hehe twins are the fantasy of just about every male on this planet I think. I doubt the fact that you're siblings even matters to most guys, it's just simple math:

1 hot girl < 1 hot girl with duplicate.

And of course, Sushi is just wrong.

Wings of Fire · #53 06-19-2009, 02:03 PM

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I read somewhere that, typically, people tend to react more violently toward the concept of incest over the concept of other things like necrophilia and bestiality even though its generally the most consensual. Conceivably this is because we're wired to oppose inbreeding due to the genetic problems not being conducive to furthering our line. Of course, we're not all wired the exact same way.

Actually it's probably more to do the memetic social stigmata from tribal times when it was far more lucid and profitable for your tribe to marry your children off to other tribes so they pay your tribe dowries. This explains why female monkeys teach their children sex as a form of social interaction but female humans do not.

One of Freud's more accessible theories.

Anonyman! · #54 06-19-2009, 02:03 PM

Horse fuckin' and corpse lovin'.

are we going to make a necrophilia thread now

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I loved reading my mother's Freud books when I was in my early adolescence. He was an amusing person.

ArtemisPanthar · #55 06-19-2009, 02:53 PM

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Actually it's probably more to do the memetic social stigmata from tribal times when it was far more lucid and profitable for your tribe to marry your children off to other tribes so they pay your tribe dowries. This explains why female monkeys teach their children sex as a form of social interaction but female humans do not.

One of Freud's more accessible theories.

Aye, very good point. We do seem to get the bulk of our psychological responses via social conditioning over biological conditioning. But it could be a blend. I know animals like hyenas drive the related males out of the pack when they come of a certain age to prevent any inbreeding. Which seems to suggest there's biological 'thought' behind it that humans may also carry.
But, then, we're much more psychological in our behaviours than other animals.

***Nate*** · #56 06-19-2009, 06:55 PM

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I'm also a twin and have had some such lewd comments made about that which I've never appreciated. Bah.

Are you saying that people just assume you play around with your twin? You know some wierd people.

Is it an identical twin and, if not, brother or sister?

ArtemisPanthar · #57 06-19-2009, 10:59 PM

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Are you saying that people just assume you play around with your twin? You know some wierd people.

Is it an identical twin and, if not, brother or sister?

Oh, nono, nothing like that (at least not that I've been told). Its more like guys making comments about threesomes and whatnot. I'm pretty sure most of them were (half) joking, but an inordinate amount of guys think they're clever saying it to one of us without realizing its rather inappropriate.
It's not really offensive or anything, its just one of those things you get tired of hearing, like "If I punch your twin does that mean you'll feel it?"

Naw, we're fraternal, sisters. Twins run in my family, actually, and are almost always pairs of fraternal girls (my mother is one too). Although my cousins are fraternal brother-sister twins.

used:) · #58 06-19-2009, 11:07 PM

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Naw, we're fraternal, sisters. Twins run in my family, actually, and are almost always pairs of fraternal girls (my mother is one too). Although my cousins are fraternal brother-sister twins.

Hmmmm. Very intereshting.

joshkrz · #59 06-20-2009, 03:55 AM

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"If I punch your twin does that mean you'll feel it?"

Why would anyone say that to you, was it just a random guy who said that?

OANST · #60 06-20-2009, 06:00 AM

Hey, if I have sex with your sister, would you feel it? Hmmmm?