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In the labor union pic I see a crowd of mudokons, a glukkon, a gloktigi and to new creatures (one could be a Steef with a weird hat )...

Raymond had to make hundreds of those pictures, so he couldn't really put too much detail into it.

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The focus of the picture is what's happening on the platform. It makes sense that Raymond would put most of his time making that look good and only outlining the characters in the foreground. They're mudokon-shaped but just simple sketches.
Considering the Mudokon in the foreground has the strand of hair from it's head, but the rest don't, that seems to show they're different. They're also a somewhat different colour to the Mud in the foreground. Even if they're only meant to be simple and done quickly, a couple of strands of hair wouldn't take long, surely? It seems unlikely that that level of confusion would be created merely because of a few missing hairs. Their head shape is also quite different as well.

Regardless of 'quick sketches' or not, it seems unlikely that level of difference between the two would be created merely because it was a quick job.
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Excuse me for my ignorance, but what's a chronicler? Were they in Stranger's Wrath?
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Excuse me for my ignorance, but what's a chronicler? Were they in Stranger's Wrath?
A simple search would of got you the info.

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Firstly look at this http://oddworldlibrary.net/archives/...M/CAOM0004.jpg As you can see the big red round shape with a lighter figure drawn in the middle of it, now i will outline said picture with crappy Photoshop Elementls 3.0. But as you can see.....ITS A STEEF! Or atleast thats what i think it is; horns, five fingers, kinda large in the upper torso area.

I think that OWI migh do this due to the fact theres an gloktigi, in this pic, http://oddworldlibrary.net/archives/...M/CAOM0003.jpg beside the gluckon. Also i think 1 of the 2 other creatures Xav mentioned could be just a set of controls(the smaller blockier one to the left)
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Considering the Mudokon in the foreground has the strand of hair from it's head, but the rest don't, that seems to show they're different. They're also a somewhat different colour to the Mud in the foreground. Even if they're only meant to be simple and done quickly, a couple of strands of hair wouldn't take long, surely? It seems unlikely that that level of confusion would be created merely because of a few missing hairs. Their head shape is also quite different as well.

Regardless of 'quick sketches' or not, it seems unlikely that level of difference between the two would be created merely because it was a quick job.

Are you stupid? Did you not pay attention to what Xavier said, and not to mention, what Nate said (which you even quoted)? Open your eyes before shitting all over the topic.
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Considering the Mudokon in the foreground has the strand of hair from it's head, but the rest don't, that seems to show they're different. They're also a somewhat different colour to the Mud in the foreground. Even if they're only meant to be simple and done quickly, a couple of strands of hair wouldn't take long, surely? It seems unlikely that that level of confusion would be created merely because of a few missing hairs. Their head shape is also quite different as well.

Regardless of 'quick sketches' or not, it seems unlikely that level of difference between the two would be created merely because it was a quick job.
For comparison: with hair, without hair:

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That should be "would have" or "would've". A common mistake, but spread the word.

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Firstly look at this http://oddworldlibrary.net/archives/...M/CAOM0004.jpg As you can see the big red round shape with a lighter figure drawn in the middle of it, now i will outline said picture with crappy Photoshop Elementls 3.0. But as you can see.....ITS A STEEF! Or atleast thats what i think it is; horns, five fingers, kinda large in the upper torso area.

I think that OWI migh do this due to the fact theres an gloktigi, in this pic, http://oddworldlibrary.net/archives/...M/CAOM0003.jpg beside the gluckon. Also i think 1 of the 2 other creatures Xav mentioned could be just a set of controls(the smaller blockier one to the left)
You shouldn't draw too many in-depth conclusions from a (very) conceptual piece like this, especially when the art is full of Earth designs and the only definite Oddworld feature is what we assume to be Abe there.
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No need to flame.
Even though it probably is just a sketch for insperation, I reckon Abe's freind is a Scubatoad, and the demon like creature depicted is actually a Steef (Quite ironic in a way, their dipction of a saviour is our depiction of the opposite), which agrees with Nick's theory.
Or it could be some form of natural threat, which would be refreshing, not having all of the baddies industralists, but then again, Ocatgis were dipicted in this way.
The read seems to indicate it's a threat or danger though, so maybe it isn't a Steef.
But BM is right, we shouldn't draw too much in from this, as it is probably just insperation, and the strange creature next to abe is probably made quite normal or simple, but it is obviously not a mudokon, giving implications on maybe the way Lorne wants the story to be headed.
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Excuse me, but what does look like the character with Abe? And returning on the second pic, I think it could be a revolution of the Mudokons and the Labor Union a place where the worker meet and discuss for winning freedom "versus" the Magog Cartel (I am trying to explain my opinion, but I can't do it very well ).
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But BM is right, we shouldn't draw too much in from this, as it is probably just insperation, and the strange creature next to abe is probably made quite normal or simple, but it is obviously not a mudokon, giving implications on maybe the way Lorne wants the story to be headed.
Given that this is by Lorne, I think the assumption that it is supposed to be expressing nothing more than the emotion, atmosphere and majesty of Abe's rediscovery of his cultural inheritance is a fair one.

His companion is just that: a companion. I doubt it represents any design of the character's physical form and appearance, that is not what Lorn does (so far as I am aware). The ambiguity may be that the companion, if Abe is even intended to have one in the story, has not yet been developed yet. Depicting him/her as a mudokon may colour concepts later on.

Again, as this is a Lorne concept, I don't think it betrays anything about the story at all beyond the emotion, atmosphere etcetera of a particular point in the plot. Nothing more. Therefore, that Abe even has a companion here should not be awarded any more significance than that.

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Excuse me, but what does look like the character with Abe?
I think you mean references to the "scuba toad"?

This is a scuba toad:

(the fat guy)

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Firstly look at this http://oddworldlibrary.net/archives/...M/CAOM0004.jpg As you can see the big red round shape with a lighter figure drawn in the middle of it, now i will outline said picture with crappy Photoshop Elementls 3.0. But as you can see.....ITS A STEEF! Or atleast thats what i think it is; horns, five fingers, kinda large in the upper torso area.

I think that OWI migh do this due to the fact theres an gloktigi, in this pic, http://oddworldlibrary.net/archives/...M/CAOM0003.jpg beside the gluckon. Also i think 1 of the 2 other creatures Xav mentioned could be just a set of controls(the smaller blockier one to the left)
I wouldn't be surprised if you're right; the wider goal of Munch's story is to travel up the mongo so it's likely that Abe will hear about the Steef race at some stage.

As for the gloktigi, they weren't designed solely for SW. They're distant relatives of Glukkons so it would make sense that Molluck would use them as his personal bodyguards.
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Gloktigi were included in the MO section of The Art of OWI. that was a pleasant (at first) surprise when I found them in SW.
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I wouldn't be surprised if you're right; the wider goal of Munch's story is to travel up the mongo so it's likely that Abe will hear about the Steef race at some stage.
Yes, I wouldn't be surprised, as Strangers story was supposed to be helping Munch, it's possible Steefs will meet Abe in some movie



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I want to ask to BM where is the wallpaper of the Mongo River on the web I really want that (I know this request isn't on topic, but... please!).

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Gloktigi were included in the MO section of The Art of OWI. that was a pleasant (at first) surprise when I found them in SW.
But what is the Gloktige in SW that is emerging from the water at the ending?
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But what is the Gloktige in SW that is emerging from the water at the ending?
I think you're referring to Sekto. Sekto is a Gloktopi, and he took over the Elder Steef's body in order to do things a normal Gloktopi couldn't.
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I think you're referring to Sekto. Sekto is a Gloktopi, and he took over the Elder Steef's body in order to do things a normal Gloktopi couldn't.
I am not referring to Sekto. I am referring to the Gloktige that emerges from the Mongo River. I don't know if it is Sekto, but I attach it so you can see what I am trying to describe.
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Sekto is an Oktigi guys, and yes it's the one in the picture you attached too, Abe is now!

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Are you stupid? Did you not pay attention to what Xavier said, and not to mention, what Nate said (which you even quoted)? Open your eyes before shitting all over the topic.
Ahem, I was countering what they had said, and giving my personal point of view and suggestions. And don't you tell me I'm shitting all over the topic, when you yourself aren't exactly doing anyone any favors. So STFU, to be frank.

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As for the gloktigi, they weren't designed solely for SW. They're distant relatives of Glukkons so it would make sense that Molluck would use them as his personal bodyguards.
Venks told me they were a genetically created thing between Glukkons and Oktigi...

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I see your point, there. Though surely, I don't think the vast majority of Mudokons lack hair in this way, and even so, Alf still has the little wooden thing or whatever stuck on his head. The figures in the picture have completely bald heads, devoid of anything.
I also mentioned the different head shape, though that might just be me.

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Sekto is an Oktigi guys, and yes it's the one in the picture you attached too, Abe is now!
But I saw Sekto in his office in a SW's clip and he doesn't look like that in this pic. In his office he has two arms but in this one that I posted he has some tentacles. Why?
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I want to ask to BM where is the wallpaper of the Mongo River on the web I really want that (I know this request isn't on topic, but... please!).?
I'm not sure what you mean. There are many pictures of Mongo on the web. TOGG is always your friend.

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I see your point, there. Though surely, I don't think the vast majority of Mudokons lack hair in this way, and even so, Alf still has the little wooden thing or whatever stuck on his head. The figures in the picture have completely bald heads, devoid of anything.
I also mentioned the different head shape, though that might just be me.
It is known that the scrubs in MO have their feathers/hair shaved off, though it is hard to see this due to the fact that they also wear hats. This may be a recent trend on Oddworld for slaves, localised to the MO areas, or possibly a retcon for all mudokon slaves. It remains to be seen as to whether the slaves in the film will be dressed circa AO, MO or something new entirely.

I think the altered head shapes are simply an artefact of the drawing.

Remember people, these are conceptual. We are attributing to these drawings a degree of accuracy that does not exist. It's like being told that a fossil is two million years old, then counting the years to its age since being thus informed.
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I'm not sure what you mean. There are many pictures of Mongo on the web. TOGG is always your friend.
I meant the "wallpaper" included in the Scuba Toad's pic that you posted, that with the image of the Mongo and this phrase: "Wish you were here, at beautiful Mongo River".
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Oh, the postcard? I haven't seen that anywhere else before. Though there are these similar postcards from Munch's Oddysee: Splinterz, Native Wall, Digestive Issues.
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But I saw Sekto in his office in a SW's clip and he doesn't look like that in this pic. In his office he has two arms but in this one that I posted he has some tentacles. Why?

He used his tentacles to latch himself onto the elder steef's head to take control, like a headcrab from Half Life 2.
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I wouldn't be surprised if you're right; the wider goal of Munch's story is to travel up the mongo so it's likely that Abe will hear about the Steef race at some stage.
Really? so Ma Spa (spelling) is around the mongo river? i never knew that and i still haven't figured out where the mongo river is on that map in the Art of Oddworld book. I am not doubting you, but could you tell me where you found this informatiuon i would like to further my knowledge of oddworldian things.

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Yes, I wouldn't be surprised, as Strangers story was supposed to be helping Munch, it's possible Steefs will meet Abe in some movie


Again, cool i never knew that. Also could you tell me where you found this out i want to know more
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Wait- I thought Stranger was created specifically to be separate from the Oddysee tales?
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Considering the Mudokon in the foreground has the strand of hair from it's head, but the rest don't, that seems to show they're different. They're also a somewhat different colour to the Mud in the foreground. Even if they're only meant to be simple and done quickly, a couple of strands of hair wouldn't take long, surely? It seems unlikely that that level of confusion would be created merely because of a few missing hairs. Their head shape is also quite different as well.

Regardless of 'quick sketches' or not, it seems unlikely that level of difference between the two would be created merely because it was a quick job.
Seems likely enough to me. And as others have noted, Mudokons do not all have ponytail. MO even introduced us to shaven‐headed Scrubs.

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Firstly look at this http://oddworldlibrary.net/archives/...M/CAOM0004.jpg As you can see the big red round shape with a lighter figure drawn in the middle of it, now i will outline said picture with crappy Photoshop Elementls 3.0. But as you can see.....ITS A STEEF! Or atleast thats what i think it is; horns, five fingers, kinda large in the upper torso area.
Interesting deduction. Going by its triangular share and demonic look, I had assumed it was a Glukkon, and that the horns were simply to make it seem more evil. This perception of Glukkons as bad would be new to Abe, who has been made to have great trust and respect for his bosses (although not so new if the whole Mudokon Pops/retirement plan idea still exists.

If it’s a Steef, does this mean Steef have been taken from the SW story and fitted into Abe’s. Are they replacing/being joined with Scrabs and Paramites as sacred animals hunted for food by RuptureFarms? Are they replacing Shrykull as something Abe can transform into? It’s hard to imagine exactly the role they can take in Mudokon society. Unlike Grubbs, Mudokons seem entirely capable of looking after themselves (with the military leadership of Abe), even if they had help from the Guardians in the past.

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Are you stupid? Did you not pay attention to what Xavier said, and not to mention, what Nate said (which you even quoted)? Open your eyes before shitting all over the topic.
Now when did you get so offensive? Shame on you.

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That should be "would have" or "would've". A common mistake, but spread the word.
Shame on me, for I have actually edited this mistake from people’s post in the past, along with that depressing ‘I could care less’ error.[/QUOTE]

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Even though it probably is just a sketch for insperation, I reckon Abe's freind is a Scubatoad
If it is, it’s good to see that their limbs have grown. Maybe they can row now.

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Or it could be some form of natural threat, which would be refreshing, not having all of the baddies industralists, but then again, Ocatgis were dipicted in this way.
Octigi form the richest industrial family there is. Ain’t a lot natural about them.

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Strangers story was supposed to be helping Munch
I don’t think that’s strictly true. Stranger’s actions undoubtedly helped Munch and the Gabbit species by allowing passage upstream from Sekto Springs Dam and removing the water that was flooding Ma’Spa, but we don’t know that any interaction between Stranger and Munch was ever planned, although it makes sense that it was at least considered in some capacity, considering the overlapping territories, time& scales, and stories of both of them.

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But what is the Gloktige in SW that is emerging from the water at the ending?
You should read the F.A.Q. It’s a cracking peruse. I like these paragraphs:
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The Steef that Stranger talks to is not Sekto, it’s the Olden Steef that used to protect the Grubbs. He was hunted and captured by Sekto, and used as a host body, while his horns hang on the wall directly above Sekto’s office.

The octopus creature in the water is the real Sekto, an Oktigi, a parasitic creature that takes control of a host’s body, in this case the Olden Steef. It seems he survived and escaped.
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Venks told me they were a genetically created thing between Glukkons and Oktigi...
This is correct. Gloktigi are hybrids created as ultra‐intelligent, ultra‐vain, elite bodyguards.

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Remember people, these are conceptual. We are attributing to these drawings a degree of accuracy that does not exist. It's like being told that a fossil is two million years old, then counting the years to its age since being thus informed.
QFT (the first time I remember ever doing this).

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I meant the "wallpaper" included in the Scuba Toad's pic that you posted, that with the image of the Mongo and this phrase: "Wish you were here, at beautiful Mongo River".
This does not exist anywhere else. The backround of the postcard is a still from the ‘army test’ CG test made for Stranger’s Wrath, in case anyone with the Movies of Oddworld DVD wants to create it themselves.

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so Ma Spa (spelling) is around the mongo river? i never knew that and i still haven't figured out where the mongo river is on that map in the Art of Oddworld book. I am not doubting you, but could you tell me where you found this informatiuon i would like to further my knowledge of oddworldian things.
Ma’Spa is the very source of the Mongo River. An early idea was that Sekto Spings Dam actually encircled Ma’Spa to get its water, but it was changed to a more regular dam for, I presume, two good reasons:
  • It means the spring water Sekto sells isn’t actually spring water, making him a liar.
  • It means the dam flooded the river valley upstream, making more of a commentary on the disastrous environmental effects of real‐world dams.
The Mongo River has never been explicitly identified on the map of Abe’s and Munch’s adventures. It could be the river from which Munch starts his Oddysee, although there’s no reason I know of that it need be. If it is, we can’t see its source, explaining why it doesn’t correlate with our map of the Mongo River.
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Why does everyone say that this http://oddworldlibrary.net/archives/...M/CAOM0004.jpg looks demonic? I see nothing demonic about it

I see a few things in that picture, the steef or w/e it is seems to be either embracing or holding back some great fire, which could either mean he destroyed a large place and now stands victorious, or his is trying to save something from being destroyed. Since the animals are running towards him i think its safe to assume he destroyed something that was harming the land, like Sekto Springs Damn. They run to him because the nature itself wants to thank him. It wishes to join him in his glory. The people gathering around him are just people who were lost, (specific colouring being dark and faded) but now now have found purpose. I don't know wtf the purpose of the hands could be. Something that symbolizes support.

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It's a cave painting standing in for actual mudokon culture because that sort of detail is the job of the production artists, not Lorne. That is all.
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Really? so Ma Spa (spelling) is around the mongo river? i never knew that and i still haven't figured out where the mongo river is on that map in the Art of Oddworld book. I am not doubting you, but could you tell me where you found this informatiuon i would like to further my knowledge of oddworldian things.
MaSpa is the source of the Mongo River, I asked it previously: there is an images attached in this thread. I think it is brilliant!
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