Faith

[Adder]

My type of christianity
Orthodox christianity
Protestant
Roman catholic

How are you differenticating "Orthodox" from "Protestant" and "Catholic"? Orthodox "... is typically used to refer to the correct theological or doctrinal observance of religion, as determined by some overseeing body." Both Catholisim and Protestism can be seen as Orthodox.

Religion is almost like an excuse for some people to not face the real world, and not face real problems and puzzles they can not understand.

So is Science. It's a way of guessing what's going on and then trying to prove it. Quantum mechanics, Big Bang theory, String theory, M theory, Holographic Universe, Chaos theory... I could go on. Science can complement {and attack} most religious ideas, but it certainly doesn't remove the need for Belief. You either have to trust science, or trust whichever book you consider "The Good Book"

[Primus inter pares]

With ortodox christianity i mean greek-catholic, with patriarchs as leaders in Moscow or St. Petersburg, Istanbul (which was the head city of the greek-catholic faith under the byzant time), and Jerusalem.

With the term "my type of christianity" i mean that type of christianity that i have according to the first post, but i think i will make it like Sea Rex said: "your own personal christian beliefs", but if some of you have the same beliefs as me, so post please, thank you.

Deism is a type of religion, when you belive that a supreme being are in all, and all are in the being, so the deist beliefs, that we all are a part of a devine being, and we are all like one, also all the dead things, so it will not wonder me if the deists are very peaceful, because who will do any harm to anyone if that anyone and you are one.

[Statikk HDM]

Its not for me to prove God doesn't exist, its on believers to prove it to ME. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. If I say you were abducted by aliens in the name of extraterrestial science is it up to you to prove you weren't?

[used:)]

Opus Dei perhaps? Masochists.

[Havoc]

So is Science. It's a way of guessing what's going on and then trying to prove it. Quantum mechanics, Big Bang theory, String theory, M theory, Holographic Universe, Chaos theory... I could go on. Science can complement {and attack} most religious ideas, but it certainly doesn't remove the need for Belief. You either have to trust science, or trust whichever book you consider "The Good Book"

The diffrence between religion and science is that science is actualy trying to figure out how everything works and that when they discover something new they come out and say: You know what, we were wrong before, this is how we think it is now.
I never heard the church say anything remotely like that.

Ofcourse things that happened 16 million years ago can't ever be accurate since no-one was there to confirm what happened. But science is based mostly on facts, while religion is pure believe without actualy being able to support an inch of your theory.
The big bang for instance, can't be fully proven, but there are bits and pieces that point out that something to that effect must have taken place. While the Adam and Eva story for example, can't be supported by anything but a book.
But the entire point to my remark was this: Religion is like an excuse because if you are to ask a religious person why his 17 year old brother bought a gun, messed around with it and got himself killed with it, he will probably answer something along the lines off: It was gods will. And that in my opinion is hiding from the fact that his brother was a f*cking moron who managed to shoot himself. Unless ofcourse, god wants all of us to shoot ourselfs in the head with a twin barrel shotgun.

[OANST]

Its not for me to prove God doesn't exist, its on believers to prove it to ME. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. If I say you were abducted by aliens in the name of extraterrestial science is it up to you to prove you weren't?

Noone here is trying to prove that god exists to you. Especially not me since I find it highly unlikely that he does. My point is that you claim that atheism is logical. It isn't. One of the first rules of logic is that you can't prove a negative. You can't prove something doesn't exist. You stated that god doesn't exist so the burden of proof is on you. If you had said that the idea of god seems farfetched then that would be a different story. The burden of proof would be on the other person. But you took a solid stance and now you are going to have to back it up or change it.

[Statikk HDM]

Because I can't say it better than Carrier, here is Carrier:
Proving a Negative
http://www.infidels.org/library/mode...er/theory.html

[OANST]

I've read that. And it doesn't come anywhere near doing what it says it does. You have to already buy that garbage for it to make sense.

[Dusan]

I want to complete my post from page 2 with some facts:
When my people (serbs) was under comunisam (Josip tito, after WW2 till '80), none weren't even talking about god or faith (i'm not supporting comunisam or Tito, but we had peace then). But after 1990., when we where under embargo (i'm not sure that you have this word, but i'll try) and war in Bosna, and et the end of '90 we had bombarding too (so ****EN decade), everyone where going to curch (spelling) to pray for themselfes.
What did I want to say with all this? Faith is good. People was looking for help in god when times where bad. I do not think that god helped them, but unless they had hope... and that, I think, shold be poent of faith.

(now, I think, you can see why I freaked out when Mutual F sad that in you know what thread)

[OANST]

Nope. Still can't see that.

[Dusan]

He said "we don't like your kind'

That was offtopic SORRY

[OANST]

Yup. I know what he said. And it is still obviously a joke.

[Jacob]

"WTF at the devil worshippers voting."

WTF at the idiocy. Since when was Satanism Devil worshipping?

"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."

It depends what you'd class as 'evidence' then, surely? There've been many-a-stigmatism-shenanigan, but would you accept them as 'miracles'?

[Kamille]

i pray but in my own way, i don't really have a religion i was raised catholic but my sister changed her religion shes muslim now and really i think as long as your nice to other people make love not war etc you don't need a religion

[used:)]

WTF at the idiocy. Since when was Satanism Devil worshipping?

Isn't Lucifer typically considered to be the Devil?

[OANST]

Yeah, but Satanists don't actually believe in god or the devil. They are really just hedonists who like to piss off christians.

[used:)]

Then doesn't that just kill the concept of Satanism entirely? My point is still made.

[OANST]

They call the religion Satanism so they can create a stigma of evil around themselves and piss off christians.

[Kamille]

do you ever think religion is just another way to divide people? no offense to people who are religious

[used:)]

They call the religion Satanism so they can create a stigma of evil around themselves and piss off christians.

I know, but what about the actual Satanists? you can't say they don't worship the devil if they are true Satanists.

[Primus inter pares]

Well some satanists actually belive in God and Satan, they are considered as being the most evil type of satanists, ruomurs clame that these people make blood sacrifice.

The satanists who don´t belive in God and Satan, consider satanism as a philosophy, in which you don´t shall give any charity to people that don´t deserve that.

[Dusan]

do you ever think religion is just another way to divide people? no offense to people who are religious

In some cases

[Kamille]

i mean religion is not inheritantly evil but holy wars? isn't that kind of like an oxymoron

[Primus inter pares]

What is oxymoron?, it does not stand in my english-danish dictionary.

[Havoc]

do you ever think religion is just another way to divide people? no offense to people who are religious

I don't think it, I know it. Israel and Palestina anyone? Thats a prime example.

[Primus inter pares]

Hey sorry for my mistake according to the deists, i was thinking of pantheists, which means all is god.
Deists belive that a supreme being, have created the universe, and then have the universe to take care of it self (no divine intervention).

[skillya_glowi]

Primus inter pares - oxymoron means: a figure of speech in which opposite or contradictory ideas or terms are combined (Ex.: thunderous silence, sweet sorrow)

[Primus inter pares]

Thank you Skillya Glowi.
P.S. do you know what there is standing on your avatar, because i know,
it is pronounced: "ne boltai", and means: "do not gabble" (i can talk russian).

[skillya_glowi]

Uhm, I was born in Moscow and lived there for 7 years. I won the Language Olympiad there in 1st grade. I know what "Ne Boltay" means.

[Statikk HDM]

I'm an atheist because of the observations I made. Organized religion makes certain observable claims and the claims don't bear out. Its like Einstein's theory of relativity. According to the theory relativity would change certain things like the speed of light, how gravity functions, and so on. British people check it out and confirmed it about a decade later. I hear all of these whizzbang claims by religious people and they simply are never born out. All I can conclude is that, barring further evidence to the contrary, that its all just a pack of lies. That is reasonable, that is logical.