Worse Problem Of Human Society Today?

[CitizenKane]

I agree, you see, the two types of tacky, plastered arrogance conflict with one another. It's going to lead to war, people. War!

[Statikk HDM]

Bliss and ignorance go hand in hand. If anyone wants to know why bliss in ignorance and patriotic brainwashing are evil simply read the engrossing and prophetic Brave New World. That book is so spot on and ahead of its time. Also, read 1984. Big Brother is watching you now, and if you don't stop him he will grow bigger.....

[pinkgoth2]

The worst thing? Idiocy, Hypocrisy and short-sightedness. I have NO problem with Capitalism, but most who practise it are short-sighted, so short-sighted they damage themselves. That's stupid.

I believe in self-preservation as the highest law, and I could be classed an egoist (I directly or indirectly look to get myself happy), I suppose, but so far, I don't think anyone has ever felt offended by my attitude. It's not like I'll hurt people on purpose - it'll backlash on me! YEOWCH! *runs*

I really don't think money is bad. It's just indirect trading, really.

Another thing I can't stand (sometimes, admittedly not always): The media. They tell people a bunch of lies sometimes. I mean, just take the example of Satanism. They portray it as some devil-worshipping, death-metal linked, human-sacraficing religion. It's not. It's a philosophy based on Nietzsche and Anton Szandor LaVey. *sigh!*

And if I'm honest - Christianity as it is today. No offence to anyone, but a lot of Xians don't know their own religion, and those that do sometimes do a good job of pretending they don't - like this priest that visited my house once, who was so proud of himself he wouldn't listen to my arguments at all, and as far as I know, "pride" is a christian sin for catholics or something.

Well, that's just me. I still cry when I'm happy or if something sad happens, like, with real tears. Happens once a week at least. I believe in emotions, and in logic, which is not a contradiction - as nature gave us emotions for a reason, right?

Er, drifting off. The point of the last paragraph: A lot of people seem to think being moody/emotional is a bad thing. Maybe I just live in the wrong region, but that's something that bothers me that I have noticed.

I think blaming it all on "money" really isn't the answer. Greed and pride and these things, they're what make people creative. If you draw an image and you want to be praised for it, you're guilty of both those things. Even if you don't, you still draw a picture to be satisfied (even killing boredom falls under that)... so without greed and pride, we'd probably not get far with society, it would stop evolving.


- Neike / TyA
P.S. I really, REALLY hope I didn't offend anyone with this post. I wrote it awfully quickly, and I don't believe in editing out "off" bits and pieces, as that'd be like lying to me. Just rest assured I did not mean to offend anyone (except perhaps that priest person that came here, who, s'far as I know, is not on this board *l*)

[pinkgoth2]

I have just realised. My post probably doesn't count, as I don't believe in "society", but in a lot of little individuals all of which don't really care for 'society'.

Oops.


- Neike

[CitizenKane]

Yet, isn't capitilism in its own sense short sighted? It destroys natural resources and squanders them stupidly and forces the formation of seperate, unrestful social classes.

[pinkgoth2]

Well, I thought Capitalism means something like "profit-greed". Even on a level of seeing 'profit' only to do with money, I think that anyone who really wants to make money - like, REALLY - will think twice about destroying resources, or at least put a lot of thought in how these resources can be recycled and such, so there can be MORE of it sold, and thus more money made...

It's the type of greed I refer to.

If you want a form of immortality (the only I see possible is via your genes surviving), you have to make sure the earth is inhabitable for you as an immortal being (even if it's only your children and grandchildren, it's a type of immortality).

That's why I'd say egoism and capitalism have, in their actual pure forms, nothing and nada to do with short-sightedness.

*shrug* ^_^


- Tya

[Danny]

Originally posted by pinkgoth2
I think that anyone who really wants to make money - like, REALLY - will think twice about destroying resources, or at least put a lot of thought in how these resources can be recycled and such, so there can be MORE of it sold, and thus more money made...

That would be true, if only the Foolish were incapable of Wanting to Make Money. Sadly, if you look around you, you will see that that is anything but the case...

[pinkgoth2]

Which is why stupidity is a satanic sin.

Nayhay, I win. [:joke, for those who don't get it]


- Neike

[CitizenKane]

Personally, I believe that man kind should be wiped out before it can do more damage with capitilism and greed and the like. First, however, I need to build zeppelins. Lots of zeppelins.

[dumboddrw2]

Ye worst problem is: Non-Hydrogen Cars!!!

[SeaRex]

Originally posted by CitizenKane
Personally, I believe that man kind should be wiped out before it can do more damage with capitilism and greed and the like. First, however, I need to build zeppelins. Lots of zeppelins.

Right... good luck with that, Hitler...

[CitizenKane]

Hey! Hitler believed that only certain people should be wiped out. I believe all people deserve it equally; I'm warm hearted, see? How did you make that association anyway? He didn't even like using zeppelins.

[SeaRex]

Calm yourself, Kaney. I was just razzin' ya.

[CitizenKane]

And it worked... Curse and confusticate you, Rex!

[pinkgoth2]

Originally posted by CitizenKane
Hey! Hitler believed that only certain people should be wiped out. I believe all people deserve it equally; I'm warm hearted, see? How did you make that association anyway? He didn't even like using zeppelins.

1) He didn't? Wow, you learn something new and completely irrelevant each day.

2) Aww, sweet. CitizenKane wants equality in death for all. CitizenKane for president! *snickers* "Join me! In Death." (yes, that's quoting your alltime favorite pseudo-gothic song)


- Neike / TyA

[Statikk HDM]

Not to be a wet blanket to you Citizen Kane, but if you killed all of the earth's inhabitants your rule would be pointless. After you slay everyone who is opposed to your domination what is the point of hording a vast airship armada? And with no company wouldn't it get quite boring?

[Danny]

Not meaning to state the obvious to you, Statikk, but Kane was joking...

[morphius]

Lampion, what is overpopulation a symptom of? Overpopulation effects all and is slowing everyone’s progression, and aren’t greed and selfishness the same? Also I do not think you can say intolerance includes for all and anyway it is somewhat needed. A line has to be drawn somewhere. You are basically saying greed is a cancer but I think it is more of a responsibility. Greed takes its first form after primitiveness. When humans first flourished they only knew survival, if they had two apples one would eat all not being greedy but because the individual is trying to survive. But as the human develops so does this and then this survival turns to greed. You could say the human is use to this therefore the greed will only build, but I think as the humans becomes smarter and evolves so to speak, this carries on and cannot be avoided just dealt with, and since humans are an individual they will follow this. The benefits of all working together is great but a human will not always accept this. Greed is usually extreme but it is taken out of nature or derived from life and denying ones self, or the individuals instinct is almost impossible and doing this is not the key, but rather containing ones instincts is, and this is where overpopulation begins........... I’m glad, though, you would like to change society and improve it but I think the future will not be about peace and whoever does not follow this will suffer the consequences. I think you can not include this because society as a whole will be much different physically and chemically.......if nothing else. It is an interesting subject. It all depends on view....

[Danny]

Originally posted by morphius
Lampion, what is overpopulation a symptom of?

I'll answer this one - Lack of Education and Lack of Birth Control Facilities...

Also I do not think you can say intolerance includes for all and anyway it is somewhat needed.

Would you care to elaborate?

As for your Greed Argument - Bullshit. So what if Humans have been being greedy for millenia? We've been persecuting each other for millenia, too, does that make it right? We've been killing each other and other animals for all kinds of reasons, does that make that right?

I’m glad, though, you would like to change society and improve it but I think the future will not be about peace and whoever does not follow this will suffer the consequences.

Morphius's Message: Be Greedy, Intolerant, and Aggressive, or else!

I think you can not include this because society as a whole will be much different physically and chemically.......if nothing else. It is an interesting subject. It all depends on view....

What do you mean, "society will be different physicall and chemically"? Do you mean people will look different? The landscape will change? We'll get new drugs? I wish you wouldn't make such vague statements, since it makes it so obvious that you're only saying them to appear clever...

[Doug]

Originally posted by Danny
What do you mean, "society will be different physicall and chemically"?

I can't believe you're still trying to make sense of anything this guy says. "Vague" just doesn't do it justice. More like "rambling" and "incoherent." Verbs and nouns stuck together in random patterns that appear to be English but actually make no sense whatsoever.

My theory is that morphius is a discarded AI program that someone rescued from an IBM 370 series (or maybe the HAL 9000 . . . no, HAL was definitely coherent) and is inflicting on us as a mad experiment.

[CitizenKane]

Dominion? What dominion? The Zeppelins and their crews blow up next. The idea is to wipe out all human life and otherwise on Earth.

[morphius]

Thankyou for answering my question Danny but I meant it as a symptom of what Lampion was talking about as a question, and I did not say to go out being Greedy but if anything go and control this greed....And Doug what I say does make sense and sorry if I do not elaborate but it really depends on view and I will if I have to. Last I say physically and chemically because the future will be much different in comparison and who says that we will even carry the characteristics of a human as we move on.....But rather adapt other ways of surviving where human morality is lost and different ways of living and lifestyles are boosted.......and when did I say killing each other is justified? or other animals?

[Statikk HDM]

Their is no overpopulation. Pardon the language but that is a steaming pile of ****ing horseshit. And, Dan, I'm catchin' some bad vibes. You need to chill out and be a litle less edgy

[Doug]

Originally posted by Statikk HDM
Their is no overpopulation.

You make morphius sound like a sage.

[pinkgoth2]

Originally posted by morphius
Lampion, what is overpopulation a symptom of?

I can't resist!!

It's symptom of... too small a planet. *evil grin*


By the way, don't try and get Danny to understand how greed can be a good thing. He's commie (I'm stating it as a fact). I tried that already. *grin*

I'll go as far to say what I believe in: All seven "sins" are good. Gluttony, Hate, Anger, Greed, Lust (hey, at least everyone agrees this one isn't a bad thing anymore), Sloth and ... and... ARGH, I hate it when I can't remember the last one. *moment pause* Pride! Right. Pride. How could I forget.

As in all things in nature, too much of anything is a bad thing. Heck, even too much oxygen is a bad thing, not sure if people here all know that, but it'd poison you.


- Neike
i used that posticon again. *ugh* *ape noises here* And I think I got a bit off topic...

[Statikk HDM]

Well, if I am wrong about the "supposed overpopulation, show me how. Once again go for the lowblow

[Danny]

Dan, I'm catchin' some bad vibes. You need to chill out and be a litle less edgy

lol, you're funny... I'd have thought you'd have realised by now that I'm the last person here who needs to chill out some more... You take things way to seriously, Stat...

I'll go as far to say what I believe in: All seven "sins" are good. Gluttony, Hate, Anger, Greed, Lust (hey, at least everyone agrees this one isn't a bad thing anymore), Sloth and ... and... ARGH, I hate it when I can't remember the last one. *moment pause* Pride! Right. Pride. How could I forget.

[list=1][*]Gluttony: The reason the Third World is poor. I defy you to say how this is good... Pleasurable, I'll give you, but good? [*]Hate: The reason behind most Racial Attacks, as well as many other tragedies. Ditto.[*]Anger: Ahh, here's a good one. Anger is good in moderation. I'll give you this one.[*]Greed: Covered above.[*]Lust: Just talk to Chris about this one, he'll tell you... (Chris is Jacob, for those who don't know)[*]Sloth: Not good or bad, but kind of boring after a while, don't you find? [*]Pride: This one is often perfectly justified. But then, I am a smug git sometimes, so I would say that... [/list=1]

So to sum up, I reckon we could do without all of those except for Anger and Pride, although a little Sloth never did anyone any harm... (It's the big sloths you have to watch out for... Those claws - Yikes!)

[morphius]

I must agree, though, how is gluttony benefitial?

[Sl'askia]

Actually...you are a little off on the seven sins (according to the movie 'Seven' anyway).
Pride, Greed, Sloth, Gluttony, Envy, Vengence (or was it Revenge?), dang it...I don't remember the last one...

[morphius]

I think it was anger or hate, probably wrong though.............