Islam

[STM]

The first piece is propaganda that's so obvious to see, that I'm surprised that you've even posted it without a second thought.

The second piece... well, google "Charles Darwin Martyr Brigades" and look at the (most probably) first entry. And feel ashamed.



Are you just plain stupid?

Do you seriously not understand the process of religious upbringing? Do you think a kid who's been visiting churches/temples/whatever each week to be lectured over and over how this is how it is: the god created you, and you should worship the god, pray to the deity that never answers, listen to the deity, be close to the deity, love the deity. Everyone should love the deity. If somebody doesn't love the deity, there must be something wrong with him. Everybody should worship the deity! And you think that everybody that goes through the decades-long process from early childhood to adulthood can truly think for himself?

But, hell, I bet you've never been a highly religious, irrational person, so you don't get it.

Right?

well, at least you're not *religious* now

You stupid fuck, I was born and raised a Catholic for sixteen odd years, I know exactly what it's like. My mother told me that when I was young, I used to ask questions about Christianity that she or my father couldn't answer. They taught me that evolution was real, that a lot of the Gospel was stories to try and live a better life. They encouraged me to think for myself. Not all religious people are just this massive blob of group_think chicken shit zombies. Fuck you for trying to boil down countless billions of people into some stupid base argument.

You sound as ignorant as any indoctrinated Saudi sheikh.

[Nepsotic]

Of course not all of them are. Fuck sake, STM, can you not just argue actual points and not get all offended all the time? He's completely right in what he is saying

You stupid fuck, I was born and raised a Catholic for sixteen odd years

I think that was the joke.

[Varrok]

I'm not surprised STM didn't get it.

I am obviously vary of STM's past. At least the past connected to OWF.

[STM]

But it's exasperating to see these generalisations, I'm not offended I'm just surprised. I don't even think religion is an inherently good or bad thing. I think it is the means through which people maintain a power structure that oppresses the masses, I also think it's a beautiful series of mythologies and histories with goodness at it's true core. Wars have been waged in the name of it, but at the same time it was what my Granddad (and unless he was a statistical anomaly, yours too) used to support him as he fought through France, seeing some serious messed up shit. It's a crutch for those who need it. Some people need that safety net there that tells them there is something else and that is okay.

[Varrok]

If people thought of religions as of mythologies, it wouldn't be religions, but mythologies. You seem to not understand the concept of religion. It's about believing it's the truth. If people treated this as a work of fiction, none of us would have a problem with that.

[STM]

I'm talking from my perspective. I see them as mythologies, obviously religious people don't.

[Varrok]

See, that's the issue.

[abe619]

Isn't that exactly what terrorists do? not distinguish cause it's too "Bothersome"? "Why go around sifting through groups of people under a certain name when we could just label the one thing binding them the source of terrorism, cause fuck actually having to read through and seeing how it can be interpreted in so many ways.".

[Varrok]

So you say there are religious people that don't believe in their religion?

Because my point was there aren't.

[abe619]

No, I'm saying that the term "Religious" people alone describes a shitload of diverse mindsets based on how certain groups interpret certain things.

And just so you don't bring up that point about things shouldn't allow multiple interpretations, it doesn't, each one of the interpretations, including the one I follow, doesn't believe in the others, it's just how people have divided over it, probably also born over politics, the Sunni sect, the most common one, the one I follow, nowhere in my life have I ever heard something that said it's okay to rape white people like someone claimed earlier in the thread, nor that it is ever okay to kill.

I know for a fact that the Shia sect, the second most common one, the one more common in Iran, is a bit more violent than the one I follow, but I don't think it really pressures them to kill anyone either.

[Xorlidyr]

STM, know respect, please.

Varrok, you are giving a way too narrow viewpoint to make it weigh.

Abe619, marry me.

[Varrok]

Can he really marry you and not get punished, anyway?

[Xorlidyr]

Unless he is Saudi or ISIS.

Or I can go Mukhannatun.

[Varrok]

And be castrated?

[Xorlidyr]

I am non-binary, not a big problem.

[Varrok]

It's a gender. Castation is about sex. You don't castrate a gender.

[Xorlidyr]

Exactly.

[Varrok]

So you don't mind your genitals being mutilated?

[Xorlidyr]

I do not if I need to.

By the way. A Saudi person after leaving Saudi Arabia is no longer controlled by the moral police after a certain period.

[Varrok]

Oh, that's sooooooooo kind of them. Such human rights.

[Xorlidyr]

Wonderful.

People choose. I know some Muslims who left to nearby lands from Saudi, because they wanted more freedom. Now they live happily.

[Varrok]

Yeah. They're so wonderful. I wonder why people ever want to migrate here from Islam-ruled countries.

Also: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...ms-latest.html

[Vlam]

Abe619 is as slippery as an eel.

[Xorlidyr]

The migration to Europe is mostly caused by the politics of European countries, who advertise Europe because the local population is becoming older.

The mixing of races is inevitable.

I see that you are trying to justify your negativity using holy mass media articles.

[Varrok]

I just want to justify my previous point that I could find a new article(s) about Muslims causing problems in Europe each day. I couldn't find new articles about Atheists causing problems because they're Aheists.

[Vlam]

My god, Xorlidyr is supposed to be Ukrainian...

[Varrok]

Your god?

[Vlam]

Seriously, Ukrainians aren't known to be politically correct.

[abe619]

I just want to justify my previous point that I could find a new article(s) about Muslims causing problems in Europe each day. I couldn't find new articles about Atheists causing problems because they're Aheists.

That's what I've been trying to say since this thread started, this has NOTHING to do with religion, the only difference between "Bad" people who have a religion and "Bad" atheist people, is that atheist terrorists can't use religion as an excuse.

[Varrok]

The people shouting "Allahu Akbar", then blowing themselves up get my attention as people who wish to die for their religion. It's got nothing to do with sadism. Sadism doesn't involve killing yourself.