VG 24/7 - It’s not a fucking HD remake

[Xavier]

Just because everyone else is getting the terminology wrong doesn't mean that we shouldn't try to be correct.

Yup, what he said.

To me NnT is a remake of AO, and no amount of Lorne's "Fuck"s can change that.

[Holy Sock]

Yup, what he said.

To me NnT is a remake of AO, and no amount of Lorne's "Fuck"s can change that.

But Lorne said "it's not a fucking HD remake". The distinction being that all HD means is an improvement of visuals.

It belies the amount of effort gone into rebuilding this game entirely from the ground up. It is a remake but not a HD remake which has a specific set of connotations that Lorne doesn't want in the mind of the average consumer. "HD remake" suggests a simple HD update and some may feel it's not worth their time.

"HD" is the key phrase that Lorne seems to be poo-pooing. Not "remake".

[V_O_T]

While we are on the subject of HD and visuals and wot not.

This is aimed at the PC players here, but am I alone when I say there should be an ultra graphics setting? I want to be able to see every thread, dust mote and stain on Abes loin cloth if possible.

[OANST]

I like Lorne's idea of making singleplayer a more communal experience, though. The people at Extra Credits are always going on about how part of a healthy relationship with games is being able to enjoy other people playing.

The people at Extra Credits are the most smarmy, and precious little fuckers I've ever heard. I literally hate them. I watch their little show sometimes when I'm bored just to remind myself of why I hate them. I'm not saying they are necessarily wrong most of the time. Just that their approach makes me want to hit them until they bleed.

Also, it is a remake. I've never seen anyone refer to a remake as a remaster. Ever. Not once. This is a remake, fucking or not.

[pupbenny]

I say we should just all call it a 're-imagining'.

Or 'a potentially great game that we shouldn't be fussing over what to call it and just call it what the developers have officially called it'. :P

[OANST]

Clearly, I'm too much the contrarian to do anything the developers want me to do. Especially when they're wrong. Like they are right now.

[Holy Sock]

Clearly, I'm too much the contrarian to do anything the developers want me to do. Especially when they're wrong. Like they are right now.

I still don't get it. Nowhere in the article does Lorne scoff at the idea of New n Tasty being a remake.

He dislikes it being called a "HD remake" which has a different set of connotations.

[Varrok]

It's a remake. It's running in HD.

[OANST]

Lorne and company aren't in a position to scoff at anything. They don't have a ton of good will built up around them like some other companies in the indie scene do, and part of the reason is that they come off as being really annoying, snotty people.

[Holy Sock]

Lorne and company aren't in a position to scoff at anything. They don't have a ton of good will built up around them like some other companies in the indie scene do, and part of the reason is that they come off as being really annoying, snotty people.

I think he just wants to steer people away from this idea of a HD update. (and I guess he's swearing because the interview was conducted in a much more informal setting).

I mean, in the article, the distinction is important to him because "it represents Lanning’s efforts to turn his studio Oddworld Inhabitants, which is publishing New ‘n’ Tasty, into a fully viable independent producer of games." which the idea of HD remakes seem to go against.

And despite what you or I may think it seems that, judging by the comments sections on various game news websites, Lorne's opinions has had a much more positive effect on the gaming community than a negative one. I mean, I even saw some people declaring that they would now support this game when they had no previous inkling to do so.

I mean sometimes I feel the same when Stewart has openly bashed the non-Playstation consoles on a few podcasts. Even if it was only a little bit of light bashing.

But regardless, it would seem that the more disillusioned fans are relatively few and the majority of interested potential consumers are going to buy this game because of their fond Oddworld experiences. Lorne being more open with his opinions than the average developer seems to be gaining him more respect if anything. Although, to be fair, people seem more interested in his publishing views than the semantics of the term "High definition".

Maybe Lorne should reign it in a little bit? I dunno. But he isn't wrong that New n Tasty isn't a HD remake.

[Manco]

Casual reminder that OANST’s opinion of Lorne Lanning should not be taken as representative of the entire gaming community.

[OANST]

I can't stand him.

And, yes. He is wrong. It's an HD remake.

[Holy Sock]

Nah. It's not.

[OANST]

It's a remake. It's HD. Any further denials is willful ignorance.

[pupbenny]

Either way, we should all have our own opinions but it is their game and it is they who are making it, so I think they know what it is.

If this is a 'HD Remake' then does that make normal games 'HD Make's?

[Jordan]

This is absolutely futile.

[Slog Bait]

Either way, we should all have our own opinions but it is their game and it is they who are making it, so I think they know what it is.

Naaaaah

[Holy Sock]

In the video game vernacular "HD remakes" are High Definition remasters of older games. It doesn't mean a remake of a game that's in HD.

High definition is just an increase in visual resolution. So all modern remakes are going to be in HD by default because we are in the HD age of video games.

No one calls XCOM Enemy Unknown a HD remake. People just call it a remake. I imagine they're concerned that many people will just think it's Abe's Oddysee running at 720p or 1080p when they hear "HD remake". Maybe they improved the character models like Stranger's Wrath but it might not be worth their money or the £18 price tag than an actual remake.

It's like telling people they shouldn't say "I could care less" because it's not grammatically correct despite the fact everyone who uses it knows what it means. People say "head over heels" when they should actually say "heels over head". People should say "HD remaster" but they use "HD remake".

New n Tasty doesn't fall under the criteria of the term "HD remake". Stranger's Wrath HD and Munch's Oddysee HD do.

Arguing otherwise just seems to be a lack of understanding or simply to fuel the "fuck Lorne" mentality when there are probably actual examples to call him out on. Like his demeanor in the interview, perhaps.

[Nepsotic]

It is a remake, though.

Either way, we should all have our own opinions but it is their game and it is they who are making it, so I think they know what it is.

If this is a 'HD Remake' then does that make normal games 'HD Make's?

You're an idiot.

[OANST]

That's not what they are called. No one calls them that other than Lorne and company, and they can call a cat a cow all they want. Doesn't mean it isn't a cat.

[Nepsotic]

BUT OF COURSE IT DOES IF THEY MADE THE CAT. IT'S THEIR CAT, THEY CAN CALL IT WHAT THEY WANT AND WE SHOULD RESPECT THAT.

[OANST]

I respect only the APK.

[STM]

This is absolutely futile.

I can't even rep you, but thiiiiiiiiiiiiiis. ^^^^^^^

[OANST]

Oh, he's definitely right, but screwing with Lorne apologists is too much fun to let go of.

[Holy Sock]

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Oh, he's definitely right, but screwing with Lorne apologists is too much fun to let go of.

Ah. You see I wasn't apologising for Lorne. I was just arguing with you because you were wrong.

So this argument has been even more pointless and the following ridiculously excessive.

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That's not what they are called. No one calls them that other than Lorne and company, and they can call a cat a cow all they want. Doesn't mean it isn't a cat.

Yes they do. You can argue that it shouldn't mean that (like one or two people have in the comments) but it doesn't change the fact that it's what it means in the industry. (Personally I've always said HD version...)

A quick search and you can find some articles using the term.

The Independent

Dispatches

IGN

And to show that Lorne isn't insane here's a couple of articles that call New n Tasty a HD remake.

Videogamer

Screw Attack

Gameinformer

[OANST]

Quite a few of those actually are HD remakes. Keep apologizing, apologist. We all think you're cute when you're mad and defensive.

[Holy Sock]

Quite a few of those actually are HD remakes. Keep apologizing, apologist. We all think you're cute when you're mad and defensive.

Ha, yeah, the IGN article actually seems to argue against me completely whilst the other two argue for me (since the independent mentions that FF4 DS doesn't really fall under HD remake - on wikipedia it's even called a 3D remake).

I ain't mad! I get carried away with silly arguments sometimes. Felt I needed to defend my point when you called it willful ignorance.

Actually I'm just sitting here enjoying my American Splendor collection that came in the post today. You kind of remind me of Harvey Pekar actually.

[OANST]

Bah. The fun's over now.

[MeechMunchie]

So in conclusion, New 'n' Tasty is clearly an HD remake and anyone who denies that evident fact is supporting OWI's marketing decision to lie to the public to make their product seem more valuable.

In other news, the next Oddworld game will have a Glukkon protaganist.

In the video game vernacular "HD remake"... doesn't mean a remake of a game that's in HD.

Well there's the problem. Whoever decided that video games had a vernacular is an idiot.

The people at Extra Credits are the most smarmy, and precious little fuckers I've ever heard. I literally hate them. I watch their little show sometimes when I'm bored just to remind myself of why I hate them. I'm not saying they are necessarily wrong most of the time. Just that their approach makes me want to hit them until they bleed.

I will grant you that the voice modulation is pointless. I don't understand why someone who acts like a diplomat would want to disguise their voice.

On the other hand, you know, it's you. You hate everyone who believes in things.

[Holy Sock]

Well there's the problem. Whoever decided that video games had a vernacular is an idiot.

What do you mean? Vernacular is simply the terminology and informal language that develops among specific groups of people. Doesn't any sort of interest develop its own vernacular naturally? I don't think I'm using the word incorrectly...