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STM · #**181** 05-19-2011, 02:07 PM

No one wrote about mother fucking Galileo until three years after he died, y'know why, because he was alive!

Calm down, calm down, ooosah!

Manco · #**182** 05-19-2011, 02:11 PM

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No one wrote about mother fucking Galileo until three years after he died, y'know why, because he was alive!

Calm down, calm down, ooosah!

Funny story, there's actually detailed historical records of Galileo and his family, including birth dates, where they lived, education, occupation. We have correspondence between Galileo and other people, there's even records of public lectures he gave. We even have portraits made of the man, and even his goddamn signature.

Oh, and he invented the fucking telescope, let's not forget that evidence.

e: AND HIS FUCKING TOMB

JennyGenesis · #**183** 05-19-2011, 02:13 PM

An actual campaign that was proudly displayed on buses around London. It obviously caused controversy and was made in response to Chrstian evangelical advertising.

Mr. Bungle · #**184** 05-19-2011, 02:13 PM

I think I remember seeing something about that in one of Bullet Magnet' blogs. I thought it was a funny ad.

STM · #**185** 05-19-2011, 02:15 PM

I have a telescope in the bedroom, I like to scare the people over the road...

I give up as well, I = go to bed now due to tiredism of the brain and lower extremities.

^ Funny picture. Made me lol which apparently is healthy be4 beddybubs.

Mr. Bungle · #**186** 05-19-2011, 02:16 PM

Has anyone else noticed how most religious arguments end up being everyone vs. Scrabtrapman?

No offense.

JennyGenesis · #**187** 05-19-2011, 02:17 PM

I remember it spread like wildfire around the bus enthuiast community (a whole different part of my life)

There was even a generator made
http://ruletheweb.co.uk/b3ta/bus/

STM · #**188** 05-19-2011, 02:19 PM

^ Wow Jenny, that bus has you on it!

@Mr Bungle - I never do very well do I?

Mr. Bungle · #**189** 05-19-2011, 02:33 PM

I never said that. I just think that you certainly like to stick to your morals, which is good.

LDG519 · #**190** 05-19-2011, 02:35 PM

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Has anyone else noticed how most religious arguments end up being everyone vs. Scrabtrapman?

No offense.

I'm not against scrabtrapman, it's just that everyone seems to post when it's night time in australia so I get to the conversations alot later, and the reason it's everyone against scrabtrapman is cause he is one of the only religiouse people who post here, infact the only 2 I can think of is him and me.

STM · #**191** 05-19-2011, 02:45 PM

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I never said that. I just think that you certainly like to stick to your morals, which is good.

Oh, thank you then. =)

@ LDG - Would you like to meet Lord Stanley?

Rex Tirano · #**192** 05-19-2011, 03:11 PM

If I didn't know who Lord Stanley was, I would assume you were talking about your penis.

I think at times there has been some ganging up, but alot of it comes in response to quite outlandish claims (at least in the eyes of atheists) with very little evidence or anything to back it all up. I also think that leaning on "religious" relics is a very weak defence, alot of these things just magically appeared in the middle ages to help Christians justify the crusades. I'm sure if I really wanted I could find a finger bone of Jesus or the tears of the Holy Mother, it doesn't mean that they're real.

Did you mention Gaius Plinius Caecilius Secundus, otherwise known as Pliny the Younger? He was born in 61 AD and let's assume he didn't start writing fully until he was 18, a mere 45-46 years after Jesus died. That's a long time, especially as Pliny lived in Italy (a mere 1550 miles away), in that time I can imagine it's difficult to get all the facts right. He may have written truthfully what he had been told by others, but stories grow (like Chinese Whispers) with every telling.

- Rexy

STM · #**193** 05-19-2011, 03:13 PM

You have gotta stop assimilating my posts with sexual connotations.

Funnily, I don't really hold much belief in relics but the shroud, is certainly something I'd like to visit, it's the only one I think might be real.

Goresplatter · #**194** 05-19-2011, 11:38 PM

But there is a Hell. And I have seen it...

JennyGenesis · #**195** 05-19-2011, 11:55 PM

*Checks Bible to see if description matches picture*

moxco · #**196** 05-20-2011, 12:14 AM

Am I the only person who thinks religous arguments are stupid as shit?

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Science (from Latin: scientia meaning "knowledge") is an enterprise that builds and organizes knowledge in the form of testable explanations and predictions about the world. An older and closely related meaning still in use today is that of Aristotle, for whom scientific knowledge was a body of reliable knowledge that can be logically and rationally explained.

-From Wikipedia

Science is discovering our universe and all existence and making rational conclusions based on what is most evident. Religion is something blindly follwed. So in an argument of logic any scientific teachings that contradict religious teaching would automatically be superior as science is something built around fact (not something made to counter religion).

I would have respect for a religious person if instead of trying to create bullshit arguments they said something along the lines of: "Though there is little evidence to support my belief I do not chose to believe just as you do not chose to disbelieve. Therefore I try please my deity."

Tadimo · #**197** 05-20-2011, 12:21 AM

That reminds me of an interesting feature in a game called Dwarf Fortress. When you join a religion their diety appears next to you, however they never reply to you or interact with anything else.

Nemo · #**198** 05-20-2011, 12:49 AM

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That reminds me of an interesting feature in a game called Dwarf Fortress. When you join a religion their diety appears next to you, however they never reply to you or interact with anything else.

The Voodoo religion has a similar belief regarding their creator deity, Bondye. Bondye can not be contacted by the living, and he can not affect the 'real' world.

However, spirits (called Loa,) can be served by the living, and can contact Bondye. Or something similar to that. It's been a long time since I've looked up Voodoo.

***Nate*** · #**199** 05-20-2011, 05:29 AM

Personally, given the strength of proto-Christian following in the years following Jesus' death, it's incredibly unlikely that he was entirely fictional. And I know more about ancient Judea than anyone on the forums (with the possible exception of Splat, but hes not posting in here), so shut up.

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The second one, proves the date is at the time of Jesus, Israel. Not were we thought it was made, France or Turin, 14th century or later.

All the marks prove is that there was a faint imprint of flowers that look kinda like flowers that grow in Israel at the time of year that Jesus died. Not the century that he died. I love that you quoted Wikipedia, but ignored the entire rest of the article, which unequivocably states that the shroud dates from the 13-14th century. Carbon dating doesn't lie.

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Surprised no-one at least pitched an answer his question yet. Call yourselves debators?

I knew about that theory, but I chose not to mention it as it's untested and (I believe) ultimately unprovable. Don't get me started on my String Theory Is A Religion rant.

MeechMunchie · #**200** 05-20-2011, 05:38 AM

Of course it's unprovable. Everything we define as 'proof' is contained within our universe.

I thought Jesus's real name was Yeshu or something, anyway.

***Nate*** · #**201** 05-20-2011, 05:55 AM

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I thought Jesus's real name was Yeshu or something, anyway.

Either Yesho or Yeshua or Yehoshua. The latter name is the one that, after centuries of development and transferring through several languages, became Joshua.

Bear in mind that the oldest versions of the Gospels that we have are in Greek and not Aramaic/Hebrew. Things didn't always transliterate perfectly.

Havoc · #**202** 05-20-2011, 08:13 AM

Manco · #**203** 05-20-2011, 08:38 AM

Dixanadu · #**204** 05-20-2011, 02:54 PM

I always found it odd a bunch of white guys running about the Middle-East with names like Peter and John before the English crusade was even contemplated.

Ah, and the Jewish zombie.

Wings of Fire · #**205** 05-20-2011, 03:33 PM

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I always found it odd a bunch of white guys running about the Middle-East with names like Peter and John before the English crusade was even contemplated.

Ah, and the Jewish zombie.

But but John is a Hebrew name, and Peter was a name given to Simon after he died. It means Rock in Latin and Jesus gave Simon a name that means rock in Aramaic which I can't quite remember.

LDG519 · #**206** 05-20-2011, 05:21 PM

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Am I the only person who thinks religous arguments are stupid as shit?

-From Wikipedia

Science is discovering our universe and all existence and making rational conclusions based on what is most evident. Religion is something blindly follwed. So in an argument of logic any scientific teachings that contradict religious teaching would automatically be superior as science is something built around fact (not something made to counter religion).

I would have respect for a religious person if instead of trying to create bullshit arguments they said something along the lines of: "Though there is little evidence to support my belief I do not chose to believe just as you do not chose to disbelieve. Therefore I try please my deity."

I recognize science is mostly based on fact, and everything that can be proven, or have strong evidence to suggest that it is true is most likely true, the only parts of science I disagree with is things that havn't or can't be proven. which in the case of science isn't much, however science has been wrong in the past ( the earth is flat, everything revolves around earth) granted those examples were because of a lack of knowledge that we have now, but we may not have every bit of information now and could make mistakes, I think that most of what science sais is true, just that god was behind it all making sure it went well

T-nex · #**207** 05-20-2011, 05:30 PM

I just dont get why lack of answers by science always has to come down to there being a god. What's wrong with just keeping an open mind and just waiting for answers?

There are endless of possibilities of what things could be, so the probability of it being a god from a specific religion is very minimal.

moxco · #**208** 05-20-2011, 06:30 PM

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however science has been wrong in the past ( the earth is flat, everything revolves around earth)

What!? Galileo claimed that the earth revolved around the sun so the pope put him under house arrest.

LDG519 · #**209** 05-20-2011, 07:10 PM

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What!? Galileo claimed that the earth revolved around the sun so the pope put him under house arrest.

that's true, and I am quite sure that religion is wrong more often than science, but science has been wrong in the past.

bit of a side note but does anyone know why some religious people thought we were in the centre of the universe?

Wings of Fire · #**210** 05-20-2011, 07:25 PM

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that's true, and I am quite sure that religion is wrong more often than science, but science has been wrong in the past.

Science is the progression of learning. It will always be less wrong than it was before.

Religion is the denial of learning. It will never ever be less wrong unless it is right.