Good Ol' Fashioned God Debate -

Ridg3 · #31 07-16-2010, 01:40 PM

I kinda understand what OANST is on about, I have a friend who says that she vehemently believes in God, yet she goes and rides everything and takes drugs.
I usually call her out on it which results in a pretty funny rant about how she can justify what she does through God.

And the whole "Sinners going to Hell for torture for all eternity" is complete bullshit as well. We are led to believe by the Bible that Lucifer went all high and mighty after being placed in the Garden of Eden and God rejected him because he went against God's will. This leads to the argument that Lucifer wouldn't torture you for going against God, would he not commend you on your actions and grant you whatever?

Dixanadu · #32 07-16-2010, 01:42 PM

The Bible is just the first novel. A fictional story blah blah blah.

They're centering their religion on a fucking novel. Anyway, I'm off to forge a religion from Harry Potter, bai x

Wings of Fire · #33 07-16-2010, 01:56 PM

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The Bible is just the first novel. A fictional story blah blah blah.

The Bible came before The Epic Of Gilgamesh?

Wow, that's my knowledge of history completely vanished.

shaman · #34 07-16-2010, 01:58 PM

Consider yourself humbled Joe.

Daxter King · #35 07-16-2010, 04:05 PM

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I kinda understand what OANST is on about, I have a friend who says that she vehemently believes in God, yet she goes and rides everything and takes drugs.
I usually call her out on it which results in a pretty funny rant about how she can justify what she does through God.

And the whole "Sinners going to Hell for torture for all eternity" is complete bullshit as well. We are led to believe by the Bible that Lucifer went all high and mighty after being placed in the Garden of Eden and God rejected him because he went against God's will. This leads to the argument that Lucifer wouldn't torture you for going against God, would he not commend you on your actions and grant you whatever?

The last paragraph you wrote assumes Satan is the ruler of hell, which he is not. I think thats what you meant to say.

Also, what do you mean by the bolded statement? Roller coasters, or she rides everyone, being a slut?

Most Christians use the excuse that as long as the repent they can do whatever they want, since Jesus died on the cross and all that. Even though the repentance the Bible talks about means that you should actually be sorry, and most people probably aren't.

Havoc · #36 07-16-2010, 04:18 PM

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Also, what do you mean by the bolded statement? Roller coasters, or she rides everyone, being a slut?

I think the first one. It says quite clearly in the bible; "thou shalt not ride in big steel contraption or thou shall surely be sent to hell".

Strike Witch · #37 07-16-2010, 04:19 PM

I'm totally cool with gods and spirits and beings with finite spheres of influence.

But Christian All-seeing God?

Fuck that.

Dixanadu · #38 07-16-2010, 04:29 PM

Aye. But Christfags now look to Unsolved Mysteries for proof, which funnily enough, brought up two things:

1.) Huge fucking boat found wedged in a mountainous area in Turkey, it was only half of it, and the interior had bunks, stables and lots of other shit.

2.) Some millenia-old cloth that was meant to be on Jesus' face and had his face imprinted on it with blood.

I know many atheists who believe that Jesus was a real person, though his 'abilities' may have been very over-exaggerated. So, he was a fucking weirdo and the Romans crucified him since mental institutes didn't exist at the time.

Havoc · #39 07-16-2010, 04:35 PM

Well you gotta give em the first one. Big boat in book. Big boat on mountain. Hey I can see why people believe that.

Second though... little far fetched ~~even for religion~~.

Dixanadu · #40 07-16-2010, 04:37 PM

T'was indeed. The gauze had a beard on it and everything.

Havoc · #41 07-16-2010, 04:40 PM

A beard? Oh well then it must be him.

Dixanadu · #42 07-16-2010, 04:44 PM

Yup. It's amazing how a bearded man's face imprinted on a bloody gauze is instantly labelled as Jesus.

It might have been Peter.

Ridg3 · #43 07-17-2010, 01:22 AM

No, it was definitely Jesus...

Mac Sirloin · #44 07-17-2010, 02:45 AM

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Aye. But Christfags now look to Unsolved Mysteries for proof, which funnily enough, brought up two things:

1.) Huge fucking boat found wedged in a mountainous area in Turkey, it was only half of it, and the interior had bunks, stables and lots of other shit.

2.) Some millenia-old cloth that was meant to be on Jesus' face and had his face imprinted on it with blood.

I know many atheists who believe that Jesus was a real person, though his 'abilities' may have been very over-exaggerated. So, he was a fucking weirdo and the Romans crucified him since mental institutes didn't exist at the time.

Wow.

STM · #45 07-17-2010, 03:29 AM

The thing is, there is more and more things science is discovering that proves God or any faith is wrong or non-existent. Hell red-shift, blue-shift, black holes, God particles, the big bang theorem, etc. But of course, there is also proof for God, we will probably never know because we never saw the start of the universe and unless 2011, 2012 or 2024 happens then it's unlikely we'll see it's end. Therefore, Jesus' coming and the belief in God is a test of faith. around 40% of people fail immediately, another what, 20%+ of people then fail as Christians eventually although you can be redeemed, I think when no more people believe in God is when Jesus will return tbh. A lot of people here would be wise to look busy

Josh · #46 07-17-2010, 03:34 AM

My opinion: There is no God, most Christians have not read the Bible properly and only use the bits that suit them, praise Thor.

Bullet Magnet · #47 07-17-2010, 04:11 AM

There are other religions to flame.

STM · #48 07-17-2010, 04:22 AM

Leave! Leave me alone now XD

Taco · #49 07-17-2010, 04:39 AM

I think there's probably some sort of afterlife. But since you can't prove or disporve anything I tend not to worry about it right now. What does that make me?

moxco · #50 07-17-2010, 04:46 AM

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Well you gotta give em the first one. Big boat in book. Big boat on mountain. Hey I can see why people believe that.

Second though... little far fetched ~~even for religion~~.

How about the fact that some people claim to possess Jesus’ foreskin?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Prepuce

Bullet Magnet · #51 07-17-2010, 05:04 AM

When Jesus healed the sick, did he just heal the ailment, or everything about them? Did those touched by Jesus find their foreskins growing back?

"I have cured your leprosy, but not your myopia."

"You will be lame no longer! Good luck with the bowel cancer."

Wings of Fire · #52 07-17-2010, 05:09 AM

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The thing is, there is more and more things science is discovering that proves God or any faith is wrong or non-existent. Hell red-shift, blue-shift, black holes, God particles, the big bang theorem, etc. But of course, there is also proof for God, we will probably never know because we never saw the start of the universe and unless 2011, 2012 or 2024 happens then it's unlikely we'll see it's end. Therefore, Jesus' coming and the belief in God is a test of faith. around 40% of people fail immediately, another what, 20%+ of people then fail as Christians eventually although you can be redeemed, I think when no more people believe in God is when Jesus will return tbh. A lot of people here would be wise to look busy

That's all nonsense. It's called faith for a reason, stop devaluing it by making up evidence that doesn't exist.

***Nate*** · #53 07-17-2010, 05:28 AM

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When Jesus healed the sick, did he just heal the ailment, or everything about them? Did those touched by Jesus find their foreskins growing back?

"I have cured your leprosy, but not your myopia."

"You will be lame no longer! Good luck with the bowel cancer."

Some opinions I have heard on the spiritual significance of circumcision would imply that Jesus' magic touch would cause an uncircimcised person's foreskin to pop off, not the other way round.

Also, I've posted this before but it remains awesome:

OANST · #54 07-17-2010, 06:50 AM

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Most Christians use the excuse that as long as the repent they can do whatever they want, since Jesus died on the cross and all that. Even though the repentance the Bible talks about means that you should actually be sorry, and most people probably aren't.

This is absolutely true. However, I still stand by my theory that if they really believed that God was in the room with them, they wouldn't have sucked that dick, snorted that coke, or lied about how many hours they worked, etc... in the first place.

There is something to be said for a religion that is as easy to misinterpret as Christianity, though. Christianity is definitely a hardline religion. However, the point that Daxter brought up about being forgiven as long as you repent has irreversibly changed the way that the religion, and the society that it thrives in operates. Imagine how different the world could be if Islam had that one tiny piece of text.

MeechMunchie · #55 07-17-2010, 11:57 AM

As a non-religious person, I feel I'm not really qualified to comment on this subject. As such I will be absent from this discussion, but I will continue to read it with intrest. Good day.

STM · #56 07-17-2010, 12:08 PM

I think God is proven in all abrahmic religions, Judaism, Islam, Christianity, all similar! SAME GOD! kthxbai

Wings of Fire · #57 07-17-2010, 01:39 PM

Except for the massive inconsistencies between the jealous God who smote Soddom and Gomorah and the loving God who sent his only son to die for our sins you know?

Havoc · #58 07-17-2010, 01:59 PM

I wouldn't call anyone who sents his own son to die loving, but that's just me. Besides, I do believe god has more casualties in his name than anyone who has ever lived, except maybe for Hitler.

Bart · #59 07-17-2010, 02:01 PM

Interesting debates you have here. I've participated in similar ones before, and my opinion is:
If god is defined as an omnipotent being, then it is logically impossible for him to exist due to the obvious logical fallacies in omnipotence. An argument I've seen quite often is that "god is beyond logic" but without logic you can't even define the concept of "beyond". I think I'll watch this debate for a while because I've seen some interesting shit happen in previous cases.
Bart

Nemo · #60 07-17-2010, 02:02 PM

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I wouldn't call anyone who sents his own son to die loving, but that's just me. Besides, I do believe god has more casualties in his name than anyone who has ever lived, except maybe for Hitler.

Definitely more than Hitler, if you include gods other than the Christian God.