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Sekto Springs · #31 07-07-2010, 02:34 PM

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i agree, but just because the glukkons are evil and nasty in the first 2, doesnt mean they all are, but i do agree, i think glukkons should remain evil and nasty...

Glukkons aren't really "evil". They're just played up to be because the stories are told from the point of view of characters with naturalist leanings. Glukkons are just sleazy business men. Not good or evil. They were born and raised in an industrialist society, and money is all they know. Anti-naturalist attitudes have been passed down generations from their bitter ancestors. Its nurture that Glukkons are the way they are, not nature (though the line may be a bit blurred this far along).

But yes, they certainly are nasty.

Crashpunk · #32 07-07-2010, 05:50 PM

Glisters are just Oddworld's version of a celebrity

There dumb, They got money for stupid reasons and they dress according to fashion which is half the time awful.

MeechMunchie · #33 07-08-2010, 12:38 AM

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Glisters are just Oddworld's version of a celebrity

STM · #34 07-08-2010, 10:42 AM

Didn't you love the edge world series MM. We do know that glukkons are evil though because of the way they mistreat their employees and their environment.

Sekto Springs · #35 07-08-2010, 11:19 AM

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We do know that glukkons are evil though because of the way they mistreat their employees and their environment.

Once again, nurture vs. nature. Glukkons have been brought up with an innate hatred for the Mudokons, and they do everything they can to smother the race out of bitterness.

All the American slave-owners of the 1800's genuinely thought blacks were inferior. This didn't make them evil, just terribly misinformed. The inhabitants of Oddworld all just live in their own separate worlds with their own clashing beliefs. There's no pure good and evil, which I feel gives Oddworld an unmistakable human element to it giving it that much more depth. I also find it wholly ironic that if you compared yourself with an Oddworld race, you'd find you have more in common with the antagonists.

STM · #36 07-08-2010, 11:35 AM

I'd like to think your wrong but I know your probably right.

Fartuess · #37 07-08-2010, 12:10 PM

Well... Glukkons are just allegory of cold blooded buissnessman's who don't care much about employees and customers.

Real buissnessmans aren't in fact hating everyone, but OWI used a hyperbole to make it fit better into grotesque appearance of Abe Odysee.

Sekto Springs · #38 07-08-2010, 03:53 PM

I suppose it depends on your definition of "evil".
Greed can be a form of evil, one we're all guilty of. To the Glukkons, greed is a way of life. They oppress and destroy in the pursuit of wealth, but not necessarily out of malice. The oppressive behavior of their society, however, does originate from feelings of malice and jealousy harbored toward the Mudokons by their ancestors.

STM · #39 07-09-2010, 09:15 AM

Although we know they hate the glukkon due to tensions between mudokons and the oldgers.

Andrelvis · #40 07-09-2010, 01:49 PM

Is it confirmed that there are multiple RuptureFarms, or is it an assumption based on the 1029 number?

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All the American slave-owners of the 1800's genuinely thought blacks were inferior. This didn't make them evil, just terribly misinformed.

Even though they thought they were inferior, it requires nastiness to have slaves. Or else they would feel pity of them because they are inferior, not seek to dominate them in one of the worst ways possible.

***Wil*** · #41 07-09-2010, 02:19 PM

Humans think that non-human animals are inferior. Sure we can feel pity for them, but many of them are treated much worse than mere slaves. The majority of society tolerates this because it's the accepted norm. Same with slavery, same with Glukkons.

Fartuess · #42 07-09-2010, 02:42 PM

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Is it confirmed that there are multiple RuptureFarms, or is it an assumption based on the 1029 number?

It's not confirmed and i personaly think that it is only RF facility of this scale. Maybe there is few outposts in Paramonia/Scrabania.

But there is (for almost sure) other meat processing plants in Mudos.

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Humans think that non-human animals are inferior. Sure we can feel pity for them, but many of them are treated much worse than mere slaves. The majority of society tolerates this because it's the accepted norm. Same with slavery, same with Glukkons.

Oddworld industrial society tolerates almost everything (they are very tolerant people :P), so oppression and slavery aren't bad term for them.

Sekto Springs · #43 07-09-2010, 03:31 PM

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it requires nastiness to have slaves.

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But yes, they certainly are nasty.

I think we've established Glukkons are nasty. But even nastiness is only as society defines it. Back when we owned slaves, it wasn't considered nasty to do so.

ODDWORLDisTHEbest! · #44 07-09-2010, 04:35 PM

no but it was wrong, and thats what the glukkons know, they know its wrong but the difference with them is that they dont care, they think they're top, and everything else is below them, like we do with animals, we may not know it, but we do, except with animals, its not wrong, i dont mean animal cruelty cuz that is wrong, i mean you wouldnt eat with your dog at the dinner table, you put food on the floor in his bowl, its not wrong but its considering them lower class, you know what i mean?

Sekto Springs · #45 07-09-2010, 05:00 PM

I don't think Glukkons think having slaves is wrong. It's just business to them. I'm willing to bet most Glukkons don't even know their heritage.

***Nate*** · #46 07-09-2010, 08:03 PM

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no but it was wrong, and thats what the glukkons know, they know its wrong but the difference with them is that they dont care, they think they're top, and everything else is below them, like we do with animals, we may not know it, but we do, except with animals, its not wrong, i dont mean animal cruelty cuz that is wrong, i mean you wouldnt eat with your dog at the dinner table, you put food on the floor in his bowl, its not wrong but its considering them lower class, you know what i mean?

Glukkons do what they do because they definitively know that they are not on top. Glukkons like Molluck do what they do because they fear Queen Margaret. Margaret oppresses her children because she feels the weight of responsibility to her grandmother's cryogenically frozen wishes. And there are several layers of complexity above that too.

***Xavier*** · #47 07-10-2010, 12:52 AM

RF1029 and Molluck are only small pieces in the whole Magog Cartel. As the story will unfold we will see tat Abe will always have to go further to do a real "positive" impact.

GlukkonGluk · #48 07-10-2010, 11:30 AM

"They say it's the biggest meat processing plant on Oddworld." So, yes, Abe probably made a bit of an impact, not just to the industry, but for the morale of the Mudokons and a threat to the industrialists. And, well, Glukkons' fashion sense may not look good to you or me, but we aren't creatures with shrivelled legs, incredibly long arms and weird ears, eh?

Sekto Springs · #49 07-10-2010, 11:45 AM

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RF1029 and Molluck are only small pieces in the whole Magog Cartel. As the story will unfold we will see tat Abe will always have to go further to do a real "positive" impact.

Talking in future tense won't bring the games back, Xav.

STM · #50 07-11-2010, 05:09 AM

BUT WE CAN TRY SEKTO! =*(

We all know that oddworld finishes negatively in the end so maybe Abe realises he has only made a tiny dent?

Phylum · #51 07-11-2010, 06:09 AM

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We all know that oddworld finishes negatively

Where do we know that? If Abe alone can bring down what they say is the biggest meat processing plant on Oddworld, imagine what 5 heroes could do.

Not destroy the Glukkons, I admit, but that doesn't mean that there will be a sad ending.

STM · #52 07-11-2010, 06:11 AM

No Lorne Lanning said that in the end, oddworld finishes badly in one of his speeches.

***Nate*** · #53 07-11-2010, 06:23 AM

*ahem*

It was in one of his interviews, actually.

STM · #54 07-11-2010, 06:28 AM

Sorry ,that's what I meant but I couldn't remember the word.

***Wil*** · #55 07-11-2010, 06:44 AM

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"They say it's the biggest meat processing plant on Oddworld." So, yes, Abe probably made a bit of an impact, not just to the industry, but for the morale of the Mudokons and a threat to the industrialists. And, well, Glukkons' fashion sense may not look good to you or me, but we aren't creatures with shrivelled legs, incredibly long arms and weird ears, eh?

‘They say’ is the key phrase here. It's third-hand information, and it's probably come from Glukkon propaganda. Molluck wants to big up himself and his factory and his job.

ODDWORLDisTHEbest! · #56 07-11-2010, 11:55 AM

yes but it probably is the biggest meat processing plant on oddworld.

and about negative, i hope abe does'nt die.

Josh · #57 07-11-2010, 12:00 PM

He might not, but some freaky shit happens to the planet.

***Xavier*** · #58 07-11-2010, 12:22 PM

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yes but it probably is the biggest meat processing plant on oddworld.

and about negative, i hope abe does'nt die.

It most probably isn't the biggest plant on Oddworld or even Mudos, the Mudokons in there have no clue, how could they know?

And I think Abe won't live to see the happy end.

Oh and Sekto Springs, some part of me still believes we will see the rest of the story.

STM · #59 07-12-2010, 08:12 AM

I agree, I also would expect sligstorm to raise it's head possibly if the OWB was still running.

***Wil*** · #60 07-12-2010, 10:21 AM

Oddworld Bajingo?