The Paranormal, 'Odd Happenings' & Religion Thread -

Wings of Fire · #91 01-20-2010, 12:31 PM

A couple of times now me and a good friend I'm in the room with have both reported having a sexual experience at the same time. We both seem to share largely the same feelings and experiences with eachother and it seemed to happen again and again whenever we were in close contact. I think we may have had a psychic link it was so uncanny.

OANST · #92 01-20-2010, 12:33 PM

WoF is touching penii again.

Sekto Springs · #93 01-20-2010, 12:55 PM

lol Fred Phelps.
Why isn't he dead yet?

Oh, I forgot. The people that desperately need to die are the ones that live forever. Ghosts or no, I hope there is no afterlife for that fuck.

***Nate*** · #94 01-20-2010, 01:53 PM

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I believe that most of the advertised "psychics" are fake, they're just looking to make some money, the real ones usually keep to themselves/hide it or are spread around through word of mouth.

No, these were friendly psychics; my brother, his girlfriend, their buddies, my step-mother's dangly crystal pendulum thing. You'd think 50% would say male and 50% would say female, but exactly 100% said that my niece would be a boy.

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The human race is so ignorant. Think of all the things that you think 'I don't understand that, but I'm sure there are scientists somewhere do'. I would love to see a book of 'Things you think the human race knows that we actually don't' - I wanna buy that; it'd be fascinating! We don't know why gravity works. Why does the spinning Earth mean things stick to it? We don't know. 97% of the universe is 'missing'; our understanding of the universe says it should exist but we can't see it and we don't know what it's made from.

I agree with your premise, at least to the point where militant atheists try to claim that shit like String Theory explains all of life's mysteries despite the fact that it's as unprovable as the existence of God. But I do feel the need to point out that things stick to Earth because it's a large mass, not anything to do with it spinning. You're getting confused with centripetal force.

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If you aren't a fundamentalist, you aren't a Christian. You don't get to temper ancient texts with modern wisdom. IF MODERN WISDOM CHANGES YOUR FAITH THEN YOUR FAITH WAS INHERENTLY WRONG TO BEGIN WITH. Also, it isn't fair. It isn't fair that I had to live through what I did, and you don't. I know that's a stupid and shit argument, but I don't care. It isn't fucking fair.

I sort of semi-agree and majorly disagree with you. I don't get the logic of anyone who would try to change religion; for instance the Reform streams of Judaism who, when they started, had big meetings* to decide what parts of the tradition and texts to keep and which to ignore. I mean, if you're doing that, you're not following the religion any more.

That said, I do believe in interpreting the traditions and texts through the filter of the modern world. For instance, in Judaism there are rules about decency and modesty in dress and behaviour. The most extreme example of this is that Ultra-Orthodox women have to be dressed completely covered from neck to ankles and also have their hair covered after marriage. They're also not allowed to sing in front of men. The primary reasoning for this is so as not to inflame sexual urges in the men who look at/listen to them. On the other hand, Modern-Orthodox Jews say that standards of decency are a cultural thing, and that women should be able to wear pants or t-shirts if they want to, simply because that's what everyone wears today and we're used to seeing it.

*Massive simplification of the history. Don't quote me on it.

OANST · #95 01-20-2010, 02:12 PM

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I sort of semi-agree and majorly disagree with you. I don't get the logic of anyone who would try to change religion; for instance the Reform streams of Judaism who, when they started, had big meetings* to decide what parts of the tradition and texts to keep and which to ignore. I mean, if you're doing that, you're not following the religion any more.

That said, I do believe in interpreting the traditions and texts through the filter of the modern world. For instance, in Judaism there are rules about decency and modesty in dress and behaviour. The most extreme example of this is that Ultra-Orthodox women have to be dressed completely covered from neck to ankles and also have their hair covered after marriage. They're also not allowed to sing in front of men. The primary reasoning for this is so as not to inflame sexual urges in the men who look at/listen to them. On the other hand, Modern-Orthodox Jews say that standards of decency are a cultural thing, and that women should be able to wear pants or t-shirts if they want to, simply because that's what everyone wears today and we're used to seeing it.

*Massive simplification of the history. Don't quote me on it.

When I'm being fair-minded I also only semi-agree with my previous statements. I find it difficult to be fair minded when dealing with religion, though. As I said to WoF earlier, "My lack of belief in god is logical. My hatred of religion is personal". I'm able to calmly and rationally investigate my findings and reasonings for not believing in god. The fact that I was so grossly misused by the church is not what caused my lack of faith. My lack of faith is what caused the church to so grossly misuse me. So, anyone thinking of using that argument on me can fuck right off.

Sekto Springs · #96 01-20-2010, 02:26 PM

I don't really think there are bad religions (well, there are certainly some), just bad people who use religion as a scapegoat.

It is capable to be religious and fair-minded, perhaps not logical, but at least fair-minded. Anyone who reads in the bible that it's okay to subjugate women, throw stones at sinners, and condemn those of opposing faiths and believes it was either foolish or bad to begin with.
This is why I think religion should be a choice, and I think it's sick that people like you, Mat, were subjected to such a cruel environment during a time in your life when you did not have the capacity to make your own rational decisions. I'm simply glad you grew out of it as opposed to becoming another ravenous bible-thumper.

The Amish sort of had the right idea in giving their kin a choice. Trouble is, they cram religion down their throat all through childhood and don't give them a choice until it's too late.

Not all religions call for an all-or-nothing deal though. Christianity is certainly one of the zanier dogmas out there, but even it has factions that don't advocate extremes.

OANST · #97 01-20-2010, 02:29 PM

No. I said fuck religion. Good day, sir.

Sekto Springs · #98 01-20-2010, 02:32 PM

Religion as in Religion *spooky organ music*
or Religion as in collective spiritual beliefs?

ie Buddhism is technically a religion, even though it's not.

Mac Sirloin · #99 01-20-2010, 02:44 PM

What did Jesus learn when he went to China?
Jew-Do

***Nate*** · #**100** 01-20-2010, 02:47 PM

No, that's what you call a Jewish family celebration, like a wedding or bar mitzvah.

Sekto Springs · #**101** 01-20-2010, 03:05 PM

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What did Jesus learn when he went to China?

[geek] Technically Judo is Japanese [/geek]

*snort*

***Alcar*** · #**102** 01-20-2010, 03:10 PM

I had to.

Alcar...

shaman · #**103** 01-20-2010, 03:13 PM

I was wondering why my sensai spoke Hebrew.

skillya_glowi · #**104** 01-20-2010, 06:32 PM

Logic, I think, is no better than faith as a foundation for beliefs. Logic --- theoretically, at least, usually not practically --- is self-defeating, because of those two words that are so pernicious to any logician: "What If?" Any statement created using those words would technically be logically sound, but could also contradict itself, and, of course, there is no way to "disprove" a What If, so it remains valid possibility.

I'm quite aware of this fact, and after asking myself the question, "What If God exists?", have decided that the "scientific" explanation of the universe is just as ill-conceived as creationism. If, for instance, you say that the Big Bang theory or the Membrane theory or whatever your heart desires is corroborated by mathematics, how would you know that mathematics even worked at the time of the occurrence, or was not something completely different altogether? Mathematics is an abstract science, and only gains practicality when we assign certain representations to symbols known as numbers. Numbers by themselves do not exist. There may be such a thing as one foot, or one pound, but there is no such thing as one, or at least not in this world. It's an illusory idea, really.

That said, I really despise the idea of just-add-water religion. Following tenets without question that are given to you by other men seems to me, to say the least, bizarre. In regards to what you said, Splat --- a slave, even in a palace, or at the throne of God itself, remains at the end of the day only a slave at heart; whereas a king, be he king of a wasteland or of nothing but himself, has the heart of a king, and is master over himself; I find this sufficient. After all, I am the only thing I have; I am not yet so mad as to put it in another's power. But perhaps your choice may be different.

Sekto Springs · #**105** 01-20-2010, 06:50 PM

Go humanism!

skillya_glowi · #**106** 01-20-2010, 08:17 PM

I don't think I'd call it humanism, though. Humanism, if you'll notice, rejects the idea of the supernatural and places an emphasis on dry, empirical reason. I believe instinct and emotion are very natural and powerful parts of human nature, and they oughtn't be underplayed.

Sekto Springs · #**107** 01-20-2010, 08:33 PM

Pure humanism perhaps, but I subscribe only to the idea that my own values and interests come ahead of most anything else including any external, collective governing body be it spiritual or otherwise. This does not mean I don't think humanist values and spirituality cannot co-exist, especially considering I don't pursue any spiritual endeavors that aren't self-serving in some way.

Wings of Fire · #**108** 01-21-2010, 02:43 AM

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Logic, I think, is no better than faith as a foundation for beliefs. Logic --- theoretically, at least, usually not practically --- is self-defeating, because of those two words that are so pernicious to any logician: "What If?" Any statement created using those words would technically be logically sound, but could also contradict itself, and, of course, there is no way to "disprove" a What If, so it remains valid possibility.

I'm quite aware of this fact, and after asking myself the question, "What If God exists?", have decided that the "scientific" explanation of the universe is just as ill-conceived as creationism. If, for instance, you say that the Big Bang theory or the Membrane theory or whatever your heart desires is corroborated by mathematics, how would you know that mathematics even worked at the time of the occurrence, or was not something completely different altogether? Mathematics is an abstract science, and only gains practicality when we assign certain representations to symbols known as numbers. Numbers by themselves do not exist. There may be such a thing as one foot, or one pound, but there is no such thing as one, or at least not in this world. It's an illusory idea, really.

That said, I really despise the idea of just-add-water religion. Following tenets without question that are given to you by other men seems to me, to say the least, bizarre. In regards to what you said, Splat --- a slave, even in a palace, or at the throne of God itself, remains at the end of the day only a slave at heart; whereas a king, be he king of a wasteland or of nothing but himself, has the heart of a king, and is master over himself; I find this sufficient. After all, I am the only thing I have; I am not yet so mad as to put it in another's power. But perhaps your choice may be different.

Logic is a candle in the darkness, faith is shining a high intensity spotlight at your own face.

Taco · #**109** 01-21-2010, 02:54 AM

I think there's a pretty much equal probability of there being a God than of no God/entity/afterlife/whatever. Only one way to find out...

Strike Witch · #**110** 01-21-2010, 03:09 AM

Why do you think that but.

MA · #**111** 01-21-2010, 03:14 AM

Taco, you worship ground beef chili and cheese. this is no place for you.

Taco · #**112** 01-21-2010, 03:22 AM

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Taco, you worship ground beef chili and cheese.

I like tomatoes and sour cream too.

MA · #**113** 01-21-2010, 03:28 AM

YOU CAN'T MIX THEM

you've got to choose. the meat or the cream.
didn't mean for that to be innuendo, but i can't be arsed to edit.

***Nate*** · #**114** 01-21-2010, 03:57 AM

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YOU CAN'T MIX THEM

you've got to choose. the meat or the cream.

Since when do you keep kosher?

MA · #**115** 01-21-2010, 04:13 AM

i am Kosher.

MeechMunchie · #**116** 01-21-2010, 08:46 AM

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Taco, you worship ground beef chili and cheese.

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I like tomatoes and sour cream too.

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YOU CAN'T MIX THEM

you've got to choose. the meat or the cream.

Pfft. Who do you think he is, Fajito?

MA · #**117** 01-21-2010, 08:53 AM

probably a nacho aspiring to something out of their reach.

slig# 5719 · #**118** 01-21-2010, 10:31 AM

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A couple of times now me and a good friend I'm in the room with have both reported having a sexual experience at the same time. We both seem to share largely the same feelings and experiences with eachother and it seemed to happen again and again whenever we were in close contact. I think we may have had a psychic link it was so uncanny.

I don't fully understand the sexual experience part, but I may have some information for you...

You or your friend (not both) may be experiencing something called "psionic empathy" what basically happens is one person feels something and the other picks it up and feels it themself. It's actually surprisingly common, although usually a person with psionic empathy picks up feelings from everyone around them in a short distance around them (varies from person to person).

You'd know if both of you were doing it (think of two radios close to each other).

Wings of Fire · #**119** 01-21-2010, 10:33 AM

We were indeed both doing it.

So if ever I'm asked about the sweat on the sheets 'Psionic empathy' is what I'll tell them.

Sekto Springs · #**120** 01-21-2010, 10:52 AM

I love how Joe feels the need to sneak in as much information about his sex life as possible in every single thing he posts.

Did I ever tell you about the time Joe touched my penis?