Sikhism: your view?

[STM]

Oh crap! Holy crap your right, damn it I meant Islam! Oh dear - que insults

[OANST]

You mean to tell me that this entire thread was supposed to be about Islam?

I quit.

[Wings of Fire]

Some of the fundamentals of Islam can seriously get to fuck, the liberal modern interpretations and are acceptable though, and the people are generally very nice.

Also Muslims do not believe in Jesus as you do, not in the slightest.

[shaman]

I was under the impression that Jesus was a prophet in Islam aswell.

[OANST]

Prophet. Not the messiah.

[shaman]

And where do the Jews stand on the idea of the messiah?

[OANST]

Has not arrived yet. To them Jesus was nothing more than a heretic.

[shaman]

Now we know.

[OANST]

And knowing is half the battle.

[Bullet Magnet]

I read about Sikhism on a semi-regular basis, usually when I am struck by astonishment that I know little about it. Like other Eastern religions I find it pretty complex and impenetrable and struggle to make sense of both details and major aspects equally, but then I remember that I find the minutia of Christianity equally difficult to follow.

[Nate]

Has not arrived yet. To them Jesus was nothing more than a heretic.

Depends who you ask, really. Plenty of Jews would say he was nothing more than a pharasaic rabbi expressing commonly held views of the day, which were exaggerated and taken out of context by the gospellers.

[STM]

No, he was not a heretic, he was less than a prophet but not a heretic, only the most extreme Jews think so, in Islam Jesus was a prohpet of God, the same as my God I believe

[OANST]

From Wikipedia:
Heresy is proposing some unorthodox change to an established system of belief, especially a religion, that conflicts with the previously established opinion of scholars of that belief such as canon. It is sometimes confused with apostasy which is disaffiliation from orthodoxy and blasphemy which is defamation of orthodox opinion.

He didn't do that?

[Nate]

At the time, there were several different, opposing streams of Judaism. Jesus opposed the Sadducee stream (which was also the ruling class and in charge of the temple) and his beliefs tend to be more in the direction of the Pharisee stream. Sadducees died out in the century after Jesus lived and contemporary Judaism is entirely decended from the Pharisees. Thus, not as much of a conflict as you'd think.

Note: The preceding paragraph would be considered controversial to many Christians, who blame the Pharisees for killing Jesus'. Actually, if anyone is responsible for his death it would be either the Romans or the Priestly Caste, who were all Sadducees. The whole anti-Pharisee thing is political; when the gospels were being written, the Judeo-Christians experienced vilification and discrimination from the Pharisees so it was convenient for them to choose a contemporary scapegoat.

Also, Jesus never intended to establish a new religion; it was his followers who did that.

[MeechMunchie]

Also, Jesus never intended to establish a new religion; it was his followers who did that.

THIIIIIIIIIIS.