Evil, Does It Exist? -

abe619 · #61 11-14-2009, 08:20 AM

being evil or good is based on the decisions u make in ur life.
EX of a good deed:- having sex with ur wife.

EX of an evil deed:- having sex with a bitch.

and yeah i do believe in that "Karma crap" (chandler's line from friends).

Wings of Fire · #62 11-14-2009, 08:21 AM

I'd say those deeds are both fairly neutral, actually.

abe619 · #63 11-14-2009, 08:31 AM

which means u don't believe in that "Karma crap" , oh if it was oddworld it would have been quarma , which everybody would believe in , lol.

oh and i forgot , nobody is born evil , there are choices that make u evil and there are choices that don't , u are born free, and good, but when u r old enough to choose , u choose but there is always a return , even if it's the moment u r dying.

OANST · #64 11-14-2009, 08:42 AM

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which means u don't believe in that "Karma crap" , oh if it was oddworld it would have been quarma , which everybody would believe in , lol.

That actually does not mean he doesn't believe in karma, although he most likely doesn't. What he is saying is that neither of those acts are particularly good or evil.

Munch's Master · #65 11-14-2009, 10:03 AM

I'm a firm avdvocate of free will. As such, I'm also a believer in the idea of good or evil, yet I find it tricky to define. To me, Evil is something innate- you know when something is evil, even if you cannot define evil itself.

An act itself is usually not evil, the reasons for it are. Take these examples:

1) Murdering a guy because you can/it gives you pleasure. Evil.

2) Murdering a guy because you think he's the devil. Grey area, the motive becomes ignorance, and we then have the question of if ignorance is evil. Ignorance through naievety isn't evil. Ignorance through a refusal to learn more, I'd call that a...mild....evil. So if he thought the guy was the devil and just went "DIE" then yeah. But if he thuoght he was the devil, researched him, still thought he was the devil then killed him, it's less clear cut.

3) Murdering a guy cause he killed a friend/relative who had done him no harm. Not evil.

abe is now! · #66 11-14-2009, 10:06 AM

Humanity is the evil.

OANST · #67 11-14-2009, 10:15 AM

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Humanity is the evil.

AiN strikes to the heart of the matter, as usual.

OddjobAbe · #68 11-14-2009, 10:18 AM

I never thought that evil existed. The reason "evil" exists is because people have developed morals, and some people are too ignorant, inconsiderate, mental, or too undeveloped to abide by these morals. Something doesn't have to be evil to be awful. It's simply awful.

Strike Witch · #69 11-14-2009, 11:46 AM

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Humanity is the evil.

There is no chance to survive make your time.

Leto · #70 11-14-2009, 12:32 PM

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1) Murdering a guy because you can/it gives you pleasure. Evil.

BUT WAAAHHHH IF HE'S A SADIST HE CAN'T HELP WHAT GIVES HIM PLEASURE

Pilot · #71 11-14-2009, 12:49 PM

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There is no chance to survive make your time.

All your base are belong to us.

abe619 · #72 11-14-2009, 01:24 PM

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BUT WAAAHHHH IF HE'S A SADIST HE CAN'T HELP WHAT GIVES HIM PLEASURE

he could go to a psycologist/psychiatrist and get some treatment instead , so he actually has a choice , and those who are already really really insane about it (killing) , will be forgiven.

Ridg3 · #73 11-14-2009, 01:42 PM

Well I've always thought that the only evil that can exist is the evil that other people construe as evil, for example;

Hitler (evil Cliché, I think so), people will think that he is evil because he slaughtered millions of Jews but if we took a trip inside his mind we would find out that he probaly thought that he was cleansing the world for the greater good.

So really Evil is something that is just left to the perceptions of people, personally I think that giving a jobless, homeless guy money is evil (not joking by the way >

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shaman · #74 11-14-2009, 01:52 PM

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So really Evil is something that is just left to the perceptions of people,

This seems to be the conclusion for most people partaking in this thread from one degree or another.

Ridg3 · #75 11-14-2009, 02:10 PM

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This seems to be the conclusion for most people partaking in this thread from one degree or another.

True dat.

OddjobAbe · #76 11-14-2009, 02:12 PM

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personally I think that giving a jobless, homeless guy money is evil (not joking by the way >

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I think you're only saying that to be slightly controversial, or to try and sound clever.

Ridg3 · #77 11-14-2009, 02:40 PM

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I think you're only saying that to be slightly controversial, or to try and sound clever.

Let's put it this way, if you keep giving someone money and food then you are preventing him from getting a job because he is becoming so dependant on hand-outs.

OddjobAbe · #78 11-14-2009, 02:57 PM

But he doesn't have a job anyway. Chicken-egg situation.

MA · #79 11-14-2009, 03:03 PM

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Let's put it this way, if you keep giving someone money and food then you are preventing him from getting a job because he is becoming so dependant on hand-outs.

don't really see how that qualifies as 'evil'? evil is quite a strong term.

Ridg3 · #80 11-14-2009, 03:05 PM

I'm using the term loosely.
It's not moral anyways.

OddjobAbe · #81 11-14-2009, 03:09 PM

I'm still confused as to why helping a fellow less fortunate than yourself build up sufficient money to get into a place where he could get the qualifications he requires to get a job, or at least to get a little job somewhere that offers a steady income qualifies, in your books, as evil.

MA · #82 11-14-2009, 03:13 PM

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I'm using the term loosely.
It's not moral anyways.

you are lumping everything into vague categories and declaring 'if you do this, its evil, if you do that, its not'. a member said the same thing a while back, and coincidently it was also about tramps (and working class for some reason). like i said back then, its more complicated than that.

in fact, this is strange, as it was me and Oddjob that was discussing it with the previous member last time as well.

OddjobAbe · #83 11-14-2009, 03:16 PM

We're the voices of working class England. We have to defend ourselves against the highly educated and the highly pretentious middle class. That is why we are the ones yet again discussing it. We are "the lads".

Pretty good little speech, no?

MA · #84 11-14-2009, 03:18 PM

i applaud you. all one of me.

pint?

OddjobAbe · #85 11-14-2009, 03:19 PM

Fuck yes. Two pints, why not.

Sekto Springs · #86 11-14-2009, 05:15 PM

Leto, I dunno if you're jerking us around as you love to do (and I love you for it), or if you truly believe sadists are inherently evil.
Sadism isn't the problem, it's the inability to control it. You could argue the same thing about any stimulant. Example, a healthy heterosexual male is walking along the beach and his definition of the ideal woman just happens to be sunning herself in a skimpy bikini. You have two options, tuck this image away for furious masturbation in the future, or rape her. The less table individual would likely choose the latter, but this has nothing to do with the stimulant, just the person.
Now, you may argue that sadism isn't that common and it's one of those things that society doesn't credit as "normal". Thusly, sadists may not get sufficient satisfaction, and yes, pent-up anything can be bad.
Being a sadist myself though, I find that it's not all that hard to find outlets, and rarely do I feel so overwhelmed with an urge to hurt another that I even entertain the thought of going out to rape and kill.

If it boils down to someone using sadism as an excuse for their actions, then that's all it is, an excuse.

***Nate*** · #87 11-14-2009, 06:16 PM

Does anyone truly believe that sadists are totally unable to control their impulses? In fact, forget sadists... do you believe that there is any sort of person that is completely unable to control themselves from acting on their first instincts?

I'm going to preempt people who will reply by mentioning schizophrenics. I don't pretend to be an expert, but my understanding is that schizophrenia doesn't control the person's actions, it just gives them a warped perception of the world. You'd probably react the same way if you truly believed that aliens were crawling out of the heating vents to control your brainwaves through your alarm clock.

Sekto Springs · #88 11-14-2009, 06:55 PM

Anyone who responds to your comment using schizophrenia as an example is an idiot. Sadism and schizophrenia are not even on the same plain. Not even close.
Though schizophrenia can be argued to simply be a 'different perception' of things, the difference is it's not able to be controlled by the person without medical assistance. Sadism, masochism, anger, sadness, are all internal things that a person can control. If you can't, you are either weak or they are very severe cases.

Wings of Fire · #89 11-14-2009, 07:28 PM

A truly evil person would not rape people because it gave him pleasure, he would rape someone because it gave them pain. He would know the difference between right and wrong and BELIEVE in that difference, while still deliberatly doing wrong. He would have absolute freedom over his passions and emotions, he would not feel compassion or guilt or joy. He would just do evil for its own sake.

Sounds famliar? His name is Satan and the Original Evil thing only worked until we gave him attributes and a backstory, then he merely became a tragic anti-hero.

A truly evil being cannot exist, the thought process behind it is logically incoherent because everyone believes with all their heart that they are doing right by themselves otherwise they wouldn't be doing it.

Leto · #90 11-14-2009, 07:28 PM

man i was waiting for someone to bring up hitler

so completely lame