Telekenetics -

metroixer · #**121** 12-04-2007, 12:49 PM

Despite the fact that a lot of people are kinda bashing the subject here, I'm gonna say openly that I'll try this out. Try out practicing psiballs an hour a day, and if I get any physical results, I'll try to do it again with a friend holding a camera.

So like ya, I'll try it out. If it works, that's cool. If it doesn't, no surprise.

Paramite of War · #**122** 12-04-2007, 01:34 PM

1.) Bullet you are right about everything you said concerning testing, but also right in saying it hasn't been updated. Psipog has been closed for more then a year now I think, and is now just an archive.
2.) I went to sleep last night and couldn't make the video, but I'll try tonight. I am sad that I fell asleep so earlier, not just cause of the video, but cause I was gonna wash some clothes and I couldn't and I had to were those today.

OANST · #**123** 12-04-2007, 02:27 PM

Couldn't you have just surrounded yourself with psishield to protect from the cold and also blur the existence of unsightly dangly parts? Why is that noone puts this shit to a practical use?

Hobo · #**124** 12-04-2007, 02:32 PM

It's the magician's secret!

Nemo · #**125** 12-05-2007, 07:40 PM

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Couldn't you have just surrounded yourself with psishield to protect from the cold and also blur the existence of unsightly dangly parts? Why is that noone puts this shit to a practical use?

You could do the first one, the second one would be difficult.

You'd have to be able to flare a psiball and keep it flared for however long you need, and considering that that's a rare ability...

Bullet Magnet · #**126** 12-06-2007, 10:32 AM

So rare that nobody who can do it will do so under critical observation?

Nemo · #**127** 12-06-2007, 02:58 PM

No, I wouldn't say that rare.
It's like trying to find someone more of an idiot that Jack Thompson.

It's really unlikely to find them, but very likely they exist.

Bullet Magnet · #**128** 12-06-2007, 03:35 PM

How can you possibly calculate probabilities without having made reliable observations of this sort of thing in the first place? That's not just bad science, it's logically fallacious. It's begging the question.

It's also working the scientific method in reverse. You are demanding that the null hypothesis be proven, but in science the null hypothesis is de facto true until it is disproven by experimental evidence. That is how you test hypotheses: by first assuming that no relationship exists.

I mean, I could claim that green swans exist, and never find them. That does not prove that they do not exist, as I may have simply looking in the wrong places. But if I state that they do not exist, now that hypothesis is falsifiable, I can test that. By finding one green swan, I have falsified my hypothesis.

If I do not operate in this fashion, I could make all kinds of wild assumptions that could never be critically examined. That will distance myself from science and the ability to reason. Are you starting to see where I am coming from?

Nemo · #**129** 12-06-2007, 08:01 PM

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I mean, I could claim that green swans exist, and never find them. That does not prove that they do not exist, as I may have simply looking in the wrong places. But if I state that they do not exist, now that hypothesis is falsifiable, I can test that. By finding one green swan, I have falsified my hypothesis.

I'm not sure who's side you're on.

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How can you possibly calculate probabilities without having made reliable observations of this sort of thing in the first place? That's not just bad science, it's logically fallacious. It's begging the question.

I'm not calculating probabilities, I'm guessing.

ziggy · #**130** 12-06-2007, 08:27 PM

It turns out some of the stuff Nemo says is real. I met this guy who knows how to use energy to create psi balls and can knock people down without touching them. He's says he's been training for years though and it is NO easy task. He pulls energy, from the ground he says, to his body and into a ball and when I put my hand by it I could feel the pressure of it. It was crazy.

***Nate*** · #**131** 12-06-2007, 09:29 PM

Could you see it, though? Because the human mind can do amazing things when playing with expectations.

Nemo · #**132** 12-06-2007, 11:25 PM

Your eyes can deceive you. Don't trust them.

OANST · #**133** 12-07-2007, 09:43 AM

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It turns out some of the stuff Nemo says is real. I met this guy who knows how to use energy to create psi balls and can knock people down without touching them. He's says he's been training for years though and it is NO easy task. He pulls energy, from the ground he says, to his body and into a ball and when I put my hand by it I could feel the pressure of it. It was crazy.

That's nothing special. I've met liars too.

Strike Witch · #**134** 12-07-2007, 11:28 AM

There's a taiwanese dude at my local library who says he can use Chi to make any girl fall in love with him.

I think he's full of bullshit.

Bullet Magnet · #**135** 12-07-2007, 01:17 PM

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Your eyes can deceive you. Don't trust them.

That is what we've been saying through this entire topic.

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I'm not sure who's side you're on.

Seriously? I was explaining Popperian falsifiability and the null hypothesis, two essential tenets of the scientific method. A good hypothesis is a falsifiable hypothesis. Mine is. Yours is not.

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I'm not calculating probabilities, I'm guessing.

And here we have identified a problem.

Nemo · #**136** 12-07-2007, 03:36 PM

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And here we have identified a problem.

I'm guessing in the same way that I'm guessing evolution is correct.

Bullet Magnet · #**137** 12-07-2007, 03:47 PM

If you have not observed the evidence yourself, then yes, you could say that. But then, we have determined that evolution occurs based upon the available evidence. This is not true of psionics.

Nemo · #**138** 12-07-2007, 04:57 PM

Kay, I guess the same way with gravity.

OANST · #**139** 12-07-2007, 04:59 PM

You just don't know when to stop, do you?

Bullet Magnet · #**140** 12-07-2007, 05:36 PM

Experimental evidence under controlled conditions is the key. Go arrange that, or please let this go. The onus is on you to provide evidence of the positive: evidence of the negative is not scientific. We cannot do it ourselves, being self-proclaimed non-psychics and all. Provide our evidence, or stop making unsubstantiated claims. It really is not difficult.

Nemo · #**141** 12-07-2007, 07:17 PM

Know what I find funny?
The fact that I didn't start this thread for debate anyways.

Bullet Magnet · #**142** 12-07-2007, 08:44 PM

No. But you presented a hypothesis, and that is something I can engage and I had to challenge it.

Nemo · #**143** 12-07-2007, 08:47 PM

No, you didn't have to.
It's not like we even asked for it.
Infact, I did the exact opposite.

Bullet Magnet · #**144** 12-07-2007, 09:05 PM

It is important to remind people of healthy scepticism when they are exposed to extraordinary claims. And to explain to believers the concept, because to often it is met with unwarranted hostility.

And also to mediate the true cynics and trolls who would cause trouble. A big red get-out sign is to trolls what a Christian boycott is to everyone. Surely you knew this?

If anything, I offered you more than you offered us: a means to shed the psi-user's label as delusional and/or dishonest, public and scientific credibility and an opportunity to change the world, in exchange for nothing more than scientific evidence of, as you claim, a real phenomenon. A good offer, no?

Nemo · #**145** 12-07-2007, 09:46 PM

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to often it is met with unwarranted hostility.

Exactly why I don't want to debate this.

Strike Witch · #**146** 12-07-2007, 10:03 PM

Nemo, you're dodging the issue like a fucking swedish ballet-dancer.

*applauds*

Nemo · #**147** 12-07-2007, 10:06 PM

Because I don't want to deal with the fucking issue.

Is that so difficult to understand?

I don't want to argue about the fucking existance of psionics.
I want to discuss.
Not argue.
Discuss.

Get this simple shit through your head.

Strike Witch · #**148** 12-07-2007, 10:10 PM

Awesome.

Then next time maybe don't start a DISCUSSION topic on it then? Because it's bloody Psionics, of course people are going to be jerks.

Nemo · #**149** 12-07-2007, 10:11 PM

That's the thing, I made a DISCUSSION topic.
What did people do?
ARGUE AND DEBATE.

NOT WHAT I FUCKING WANTED.

Strike Witch · #**150** 12-07-2007, 10:13 PM

*sigh*

Those things mean the same thing to some people, especially on this forum.

Bullet Magnet seems to be pretty polite though.