But my point is, how do we know what is God.
The Aztecs religeon followed sacrifice, they were a violent civilisation. They fought they were doing good, why? It was their moral code of ethics, and it is what their religon and preists dictated them to do.
The Spanish were appaled by this, therefore due to the religous clashes, even though killing is a sin, they justified this by saying they were evil, why? Because they did not obey their ethics.
Now don't get me wrong, I'm a 15 year old kid, and I don't go to church or anything, but I do believe in God's existance.
But my point is, that what we think is right or wrong is through our religon, this may change and become through the government and situations, but at the moment the governments are very much influenced by religeon at the moment.
And Bullet Magnet, we don't, or we do but some to a very minor degree, that's why communsium failed and that's why there's things such as conscription ( know there are those against whatever it is concription is for but you can always oppose it if you're truley against it).
Or maybe you're right, and everyone has the drive, but the drive is some diverse in different people that still certain people won't pull their wait compared to everyone else.
My point of doing something speacial is a metaphor of satisfaction, but it is possible to get satisphaction from other means, and by distracting yourself from what you were orignally supposed to be doing.
And the reason athiests get on in our world is that it is mostly theist, my point is an entire atheist world would not survive, why not? Well lets put it this way, why is every culture that has originated that is known theist, and athiests have only developed out of it.
I guess my point is that whether god exists or not, Religeon is essential for humanity, as we have been brought up on it, and are dependent on it, and an indervidual may do without religon, but they are following people who believe in a religeon, and follow the ethics religeon has extablished, and are estiantlly following the code of the religeon, while remaining athiest.
The problem with Budhism is how he desphired what is right and wrong.
A number of ways of thinking a been devised which do not rely on God, such as Utalitarism, but they all have weak points, which again I went over in class.
The problem with things like doing the good for the majority is what about the minority? (Wasn't the good for the majority being desplayed by the Nazis and White's in America and Australia against the African american and Aboriginies?) and who decides what is good?
That is acutally the problem that I am stated, it is a devine ruler or rulers, such as God that is what decides what is good because he is not Human. It's like if a man stabbed you, would you want a freind of the man deciding what is right, or a judge deciding what is right and if the man who stabbed you commited wrong or not. (Or a freind of you which is what some people want, God favouring you.)
Also, as for our ethics being created without religeon, the chances of that is like the chances of another human race evolving just like us a long time ago, another galaxy, far, far away.
Say there is a human tribe, they are athiest, which is highly unlikely becuase their science was very religeon based (science is a form of religeon actually, as it beliefs, and there are alot of theories in science, and science has been wrong before, as I said, it relies on it'self being wrong to prove it'self more right later on.), and they have always been atheist, which in my way only seems possibly because they lack the drive to care, but according to Bullet Magnet that is impossible, so I don't know, lets say they are athiest, do not believe in the supernatural somehow, care about their surrondings but for some reason haven't explained them yet and try to put forward rules. Lets say that they decide on the basics of our ethics. They don't kill each other, all of the suddon they are out on food and there is an argument, say the leader kills her freind, his mate in unfuriated. "But I needed to" Says he in cave man grunts of course. "There's not enough food for all of us, and I'm leader, I'm more important, I also get to decide on rules, I say we do what is needed to be done, like go steal my brothers food, because we're hungry" "But you can't" Says she "it's not right" "Yes it is, I'm the rule here, what is right is what I say is right".
Eventually they turn on each other.
And Havoc, there is a serious fault in you blaming God or the lack of God for your mum being achoholic, God has given us free will, so it is not his fault she drinks excevily? What do you want him to do, make sure acholhol doesn't exist, after Jesus turned water into wine I might add.
Sorry if I'm offending you but you accusing me of being mentally unstable doesn't help.
Anyway, has anyone read 1984, the *spoiler* end but when he goes "This won't sustain, it isn't right!" or something like that and the other guy goes "Do you believe in God" and he goes "No" and so he replies "Then there is no greater force that can change this situation and we are the ones that decide what is right" Or something like it.
Anyway, I'm sorry if I may seem agreesive, I'm trying to have an intellictuale argument, and Havoc, there's no need to be so abusive, and I know it is personal, and am sorry if I am pushing on hard territory.
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Thanks Mudling! 
