Saddam got pwned (dead) -

Al the Vykker · #61 01-07-2007, 09:07 AM

"An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind" - Mahatma Gandhi

I guess in this case it all boils down to what you personally believe since there is really nothing we can do now. I am still in debate if this "universal justice" revenge mentality was absolutely necessary even in this extreme case.

used:) · #62 01-07-2007, 11:15 AM

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Well if I lost an eye, that would affect my ability to do many things I either enjoy or have to do. Even more so if I lived in 1500BC. So I would like to be compensated for that. Now, an eye is only an example. The same principle holds for any other injury you may do to someone.

Either way, you're right that that statement doesn't take into account whether the injury was accidental or not. And, once again, I must point out that is has been taken out of context. For more information, read the Talmud. The 60-odd volumes of discussion and commentary should impress upon you that little in the bible can be taken at face value.

Well, on second thought I was taking the ideas of morality in the saying a little extreme. On second glance I can see the betterness in compensating for the loss of an eye through materials rather than giving up an eye of yours yourself. I think if it were accidental than it is up to the injured to decide whether there should be payment or not. I don't know why, it just feels right.

Kamille · #63 01-07-2007, 11:35 AM

I wish I could find his execution video with subtitles.

Rex Tirano · #64 01-07-2007, 01:08 PM

^ I think that's revolting. But I don't get why people want to see that video anyway.

- Rexy

Bullet Magnet · #65 01-07-2007, 05:32 PM

A snuff film with a famous star. Who wouldn't want to see that?

In western culture, only those with serious issues.

Goresplatter · #66 01-08-2007, 08:30 AM

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^ I think that's revolting. But I don't get why people want to see that video anyway.

- Rexy

I'm going to be perfectly honest with you why I watched that video - It's because something inside me was sure he wasn't dead - I knew logically that he must be, but it was just this feeling I had. I watched it to get rid of my strange suspicions, and that's all.

Then again, Saddam did have 'copies'... but enough with conspiricy theories

Rex Tirano · #67 01-08-2007, 08:35 AM

I don't understand why it's so widespread. On the day of his execution, pretty much every film on the YouTube front page was either a mock-up of his execution or the actual video of the events.

I appriciate your reply, if anyone else watched it, why did you? I want to know simply out of curiosity; I personally don't see what anyone would get out of a movie of someone being killed.

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A snuff film with a famous star. Who wouldn't want to see that?

In western culture, only those with serious issues.

That made me laugh. :P +5 points

- Rexy

Statikk HDM · #68 01-08-2007, 02:26 PM

I watched it inadvertantly several goddamn times. News stations showed the death squad lynching in prime time repeatedly and without warning. Only in America is soft core pornography considered more offensive than a goddamn snuff film.

aaj111 · #69 01-08-2007, 02:30 PM

My dad downloaded a video of it. lol... Glad it happened, but now we'll probrably get bombed while we're sleeping. -_-

Leto · #70 01-09-2007, 11:56 AM

Your Dad downloaded a video of if?

Christ, what an example.

G.A.Pster · #71 01-09-2007, 05:04 PM

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And firing biological weapons on a country and making thousands of people's faces fall off IS a humane thing to do?

All this 'humane or not humane' bullshit has to go, the guy got what he deserved end of story. What goes around comes around.

Tiger

Hey I didn’t even state my opinion I was just stating a fact. Because Mitsur said, “So, it's happened. Saddam got hanged. Not exactly the best way to die.”

aaj111 · #72 01-09-2007, 05:06 PM

Hm, I wondered why myself, why. But I guess it wouldn't be up long before someone shut it down. He is very... against those kind of things. Like Censorship and whatnot.

snuzi · #73 01-10-2007, 07:57 AM

To be honest, I really don't know what to think about this whole thing. I mean, on the one side, we've gotten rid of, and made an example of a dictator that was responsible for killing thousands of people. But on the other hand, we have glorified him in his nation, and stooped down to his level. So, I really don't know.

If anything, I think we should have kept him in a prison of some sort, in a tiny room where no one would be able to speak to him, and let him live out his days in complete and utter isolation. At least then, he just might have thought about what he had done, and it would surely be much more psychologically painful to deal with being confined in a small room for years, than being hung quickly and knowing that relief from the pain you are feeling at the moment is right around the corner.

Rex Tirano · #74 01-10-2007, 08:42 AM

But isn't that against human rights... The Geneva convention [I think it's called anyway]?

- Rexy

snuzi · #75 01-10-2007, 09:58 AM

I don't think so, I mean, in prison they put people in soletary all the time, to my knowledge.

Rex Tirano · #76 01-10-2007, 11:04 AM

They never put people in solitary confinement in prisons. Ever.

It would send a person crazy to be in solitary confinement. I think you've been watching to many old war movies.

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Article 3 describes minimal protections which must be adhered to by all individuals within a signatory's territory (regardless of citizenship or lack thereof): Noncombatants, combatants who have laid down their arms, and combatants who are hors de combat (out of the fight) due to wounds, detention, or any other cause shall in all circumstances be treated humanely, including prohibition of outrages upon personal dignity, in particular humiliating and degrading treatment. The passing of sentences must also be pronounced by a regularly constituted court, affording all the judicial guarantees which are recognized as indispensable by civilized peoples.

More about the Geneva Conventions.

- Rexy

Bullet Magnet · #77 01-10-2007, 11:32 AM

We make rules for war. To the human race, it's just another game.

aaj111 · #78 01-10-2007, 01:05 PM

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If anything, I think we should have kept him in a prison of some sort, in a tiny room where no one would be able to speak to him, and let him live out his days in complete and utter isolation. At least then, he just might have thought about what he had done, and it would surely be much more psychologically painful to deal with being confined in a small room for years, than being hung quickly and knowing that relief from the pain you are feeling at the moment is right around the corner.

I actually was thinking about that, and kind of thought that we should have done that instead.

(I am having thoughts of Saddam standing in front of some guy named Earl.)

snuzi · #79 01-10-2007, 02:04 PM

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They never put people in solitary confinement in prisons. Ever.

It would send a person crazy to be in solitary confinement. I think you've been watching to many old war movies.

That would be the point

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If it doesn't exist, then when they caught him, they should not have released it to the public, taken him somewhere, and imprisoned him in that way. That way, no one would know about it, so no one would be able to stop it, despite what laws an acts have been passed.

***Nate*** · #80 01-10-2007, 03:14 PM

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They never put people in solitary confinement in prisons. Ever.

David Hicks has been in solitary confinement in Guantanamo since March and will be for the forseeable future.

snuzi · #81 01-10-2007, 04:28 PM

Really? Then I was right, they could have just put him in soletary.

Score one for snuzi

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***Nate*** · #82 01-11-2007, 01:37 AM

Although it's always possible that the new Iraqi government care about human rights...

Patrick Vykkers · #83 01-14-2007, 03:00 PM

Under Islamic law? Yeah, and Ken Lay was a socialist.

snuzi · #84 01-14-2007, 08:04 PM

Well then it would ahve been fine if they did the deed in Iraq, wouldn't it? And it'd be more of a punishment for all the crimes he had committed.

Rex Tirano · #85 01-14-2007, 11:19 PM

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David Hicks has been in solitary confinement in Guantanamo since March and will be for the forseeable future.

Oops, sorry then. But I actually don't think it's fair to put someone in solitary confinement.

- Rexy

snuzi · #86 01-15-2007, 10:56 AM

Why not? Would you prefer if they were killed, rather than be put there?

used:) · #87 01-15-2007, 10:59 AM

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Oops, sorry then. But I actually don't think it's fair to put someone in solitary confinement.

- Rexy

I do. It depends on the person though. Compare Martha Stewart with Josef Mengele. The person in confinement definately should be someone that is severely sociopathic or someone who, depsite the level of security, has great potential to escape.

Rex Tirano · #88 01-15-2007, 11:51 AM

Hn... I'm not sure what I was really saying there. What I meant was I thought it was better to kill Saddam then to put him in solitary confinement.

However, I'm probably being crap in thinking that the death penalty should apply to one when it doesn't for others.

[*Devils advocate*] But if the person was a mass murderer and had a high-potential to escape, who also showed no signs of remorse and wanted to kill s'more people. Wouldn't it be better to humanely kill them than risk the lives of other innocent people?

- Rexy

used:) · #89 01-15-2007, 11:58 AM

I dunno, I'm tempted to favor the death penalty a lot, but if we kill one man, then that just opens up a door for us to push the letter to kill other people under lesser convcitions.

Bullet Magnet · #90 01-15-2007, 12:21 PM

I just can't stand the idea that we, people who consider ourselves to have humanity, to treat people decently and generally be above filth like murderers, would so willingly, even demand, to commit the most barbaric act permitted by law. I just can't fathom how we could possibly condemn a man for doing such things, and then go ahead and do it ourselves.

It's just so medieval. I thought, hoped, that we were better than this.