Aliens- Do you believe in them? -

Fuzzle Guy · #31 11-25-2005, 09:02 AM

It has taken us over 9000 years to get the rocket that can travel into outerspace, and the furuthest we can go is the moon, I recon that Aliens will probably have the right technology to visit us the same time we have the right technology to visit them.

***Nate*** · #32 11-25-2005, 11:28 AM

Well, we have built rockets that can have travelled right out of our solar system. The problem is getting astronauts who are prepared to spend 3 years in space going to mars.

TheRaisin · #33 11-25-2005, 12:46 PM

Where'd you get 9000 years? Is that how long ago the first human civilization appeared?

Anyway, even if you believe whole-heartedly in aliens, isn't it a bit ridiculous to conjecture what they look like, how advanced their technology is, et cetera? I guess it's not impossible that their ability to travel through space would be similar to ours, but what evidence do you have to suggest that?

I hope humans never come into contact with extra-terrestrials. There's so much misunderstanding and hatred and conflict between different groups of HUMANS, imagine how it would be with beings from another planet. It seems only a race of infinite patience would think twice before obliterating us. Or, on the flipside, maybe we would be more technologically/militarily advanced, and the world leaders would call it manifest destiny or their God-given right or whatever bullshit to take advantage of the aliens in every way possible.

Dino · #34 11-25-2005, 03:05 PM

9000 years... That's how far back human history goes. It's actually taken a lot longer than that for modern humans to develop. But from the time we started building rockets (serious ones, not chinese fireworks) to the time we got to the moon, it only took about 50 years. 9000 years of spaceflight development would probably have us in starships whizzing around the universe jumping through event horizons and such.

$andy Mudukon · #35 11-25-2005, 03:14 PM

ALIENS HATE ME.

Dino · #36 11-25-2005, 03:18 PM

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ALIENS HATE ME.

Who the hell are you?

Leeum · #37 11-25-2005, 03:34 PM

I believe there are lifeforms beyond earth but they won't be in the form of 'Aliens' as such...

TheRaisin · #38 11-25-2005, 04:22 PM

How can a lifeform not of this earth not be an alien? I think that would kind of defy the definition of "alien".

*checks dictionary.com to make sure*

Anyway, yeps to what Dino said.

Fuzzle Guy · #39 11-25-2005, 11:39 PM

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Where'd you get 9000 years? Is that how long ago the first human civilization appeared?

9000 years was a guess. We all assume that the moon has no life on it, but planets like Mars possibly do, however, we are still devolping technology to go to mars, so the Aliens will probably be developing technology to go to Jupiter or something, they might not go to earth first.

I just had the most fantastic Idea for a film then I realised it's exactly the same as Oddworld

Leeum · #40 11-26-2005, 02:25 AM

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How can a lifeform not of this earth not be an alien?

Well, it'd be extra terrestrial intelligence...

I meant it wouldn't be an alien as in the aliens on TV, most likely microscopic creatures etc.

Abe 01 · #41 11-26-2005, 03:15 AM

Why would we let George Bush on another world ? he fcuked up this one dont let im ruin another

Dino · #42 11-26-2005, 05:06 AM

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9000 years was a guess. We all assume that the moon has no life on it, but planets like Mars possibly do, however, we are still devolping technology to go to mars, so the Aliens will probably be developing technology to go to Jupiter or something, they might not go to earth first.

I just had the most fantastic Idea for a film then I realised it's exactly the same as Oddworld

Jupiter isn't solid... you can't "Go" to it. It's made of gas. It does have some solid moons though... one of those actually might have an ocean, which presents the possibility of life existing there. Although that goes by the common assumption of all those "life elsewhere" fantatics, that life just magically occurs everywhere, like it just appears out of thin air or comes up out of the ground.

The age old "but the universe is so big!" argument holds about as much water as a leaky bucket. Considering that the chances for life to be created is one in dectillions, which is the highest named numeral without using "to the power of". I've said this so many times to so many people, but it never seems to get through. Logic and reason don't factor into something if a person wants to believe in it.

***Nate*** · #43 11-26-2005, 11:36 AM

I read an interesting point in a book by Richard Dawkins (the world's leading evolutionary biologist author, in case you didn't know). People go on about how incredibly unlikely life is. Truth is, we have no way of knowing how unlikely it is until we survey the whole universe and see how many times life has sprung up. All we do know is that it can't be too unlikely for the basic fact is that we are here. And if we are here, who are we to say that it can't happen anywhere else? That would be a rather arrogant thing to say, don't you think?

Dino · #44 11-26-2005, 02:41 PM

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I read an interesting point in a book by Richard Dawkins (the world's leading evolutionary biologist author, in case you didn't know). People go on about how incredibly unlikely life is. Truth is, we have no way of knowing how unlikely it is until we survey the whole universe and see how many times life has sprung up. All we do know is that it can't be too unlikely for the basic fact is that we are here. And if we are here, who are we to say that it can't happen anywhere else? That would be a rather arrogant thing to say, don't you think?

I don't think it would be arrogant. Life IS pretty damn special. If you deconstruct a simple cell, you begin to realise that it's like deconstructing a swiss watch. That kinda thing is so complex that it's borderline impossible to occur naturally without intelligent design - that's why intelligent design is such a powerful theory at the moment.

I think it's reasonable to consider life here on earth to be very unique, and we will never be able to say how unique it is until we work out how life is created. And the chances of that happening are slim to none.

***Nate*** · #45 11-26-2005, 03:04 PM

I think we're actually in agreement, but I take a different perspective. Yes, life is amazingly complex. Yes, it's borderline impossible. But it's obviously not completely impossible as we're here. And if something's not impossible then it's just a matter of probability. Then you have to look at the size of the universe and see whether the probability is so infinitesimally low that it can only happen once.

In any case, I'm no zealot for evolution. In fact, I can honestly say that I beleive neither evolution nor intelligent design as neither one really satisfies me. But anyone who claims that evolution is absolutely impossible or ID is the only conceivable method of creation should read The Blind Watchmaker by Richard Dawkins. It won't convert you but it will open your eyes to the possibilities.

Dino · #46 11-26-2005, 03:36 PM

Current estimates suggest that the chances of life based on the chances of the creation of life are so low that there are possibly only two or three other planets in the universe with life on them.

metroixer · #47 11-26-2005, 03:41 PM

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Why would we let George Bush on another world ? he fcuked up this one dont let im ruin another

The truth hurts doesen't it?

Leto · #48 11-26-2005, 06:27 PM

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Why would we let George Bush on another world ? he fcuked up this one dont let im ruin another

You are the pure personification of the average infantile wannabe nonconformist. Looks like we got ourselves a reader!

You know, I'm going to go a little crazy and say I WANT TO HAVE HOMOSEXUAL RELANTIONS WITH GEOGRE BUSH AND I VOTED FOR HIM just to piss you all off, Jesus.

Fuzzle Guy · #49 11-27-2005, 12:30 AM

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Jupiter isn't solid... you can't "Go" to it. It's made of gas. It does have some solid moons though... one of those actually might have an ocean, which presents the possibility of life existing there. Although that goes by the common assumption of all those "life elsewhere" fantatics, that life just magically occurs everywhere, like it just appears out of thin air or comes up out of the ground.

The age old "but the universe is so big!" argument holds about as much water as a leaky bucket. Considering that the chances for life to be created is one in dectillions, which is the highest named numeral without using "to the power of". I've said this so many times to so many people, but it never seems to get through. Logic and reason don't factor into something if a person wants to believe in it.

I know jupiters not solid, that's why they will have developed different technology to get there.

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Why would we let George Bush on another world ? he fcuked up this one dont let im ruin another

I laughed for ages at that then I realised, theres nothing funny about the truth.

Rich · #50 11-27-2005, 01:41 AM

Tsk, you non-conforming, anti-Bush, anarchists have listened to too much Green Day, methinks.

***Nate*** · #51 11-27-2005, 12:50 PM

Heh, I love the way that anti-Bush people are called non-conforming. Since I arrived in the US, I've met two (2) republicans! That's only two so-called conformists.

These days, when most of the media, comedians and people in general are against Bush, I'd say the Bushwackers are the conformists.

TheRaisin · #52 11-27-2005, 01:23 PM

Hating Bush for the right reasons doesn't make you a conformist. Hating him because it's the "in" thing to do, that makes you a conformist. Nate, apparently you've not yet been in eastern Washington. Conservativesville, daddio.

And Bush didn't single-handedly screw up the world. Jeez. Credit for that one goes to the entire human race.

See, this is why we must never come into contact with another advanced race. They'd take a split second to grok our entire species, then blast us out of existence and congratulate each other for doing such a service to the galaxy.

***Nate*** · #53 11-27-2005, 03:58 PM

My last post was tongue in cheek. I guess I forgot to put in a smilie.

*edits*
*edits again when told that we're not allowed to actually post every single smilie in one post*
*consequently gets banned for stupidity*

Dino · #54 11-28-2005, 07:50 AM

Hating George Bush has nothing to do with whether or not you believe in aliens. So shut up and get back on topic, lest I bitch more.

Abe 01 · #55 11-28-2005, 11:30 AM

shutup dino you know im mad and i can make you mad so dont push it

OANST · #56 11-28-2005, 11:39 AM

Yeah!..........Huh?

Rich · #57 11-28-2005, 11:53 AM

Lol @ Abe 01. Dino raises a good point get back on topic now and stop spreading Dino hate.

I think there will be/was/is life somewhere other than earth, but it has never made contact with us and likely never will.

used:) · #58 11-29-2005, 02:06 PM

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shutup dino you know im mad and i can make you mad so dont push it

You have the intelligence level of a grapefruit.

I believe aliens exist, however, I do not believe it is possible to find them I other star sytems due to the fact that if we were to use a type of fuel, according to Einsteine, it would take one billion pounds of fuel for every pound of the ship. So it just doesn't add up, but, there are some clues to the general being in space, earth inhabitiants tend to age quicker than those in space, so galactic light may be key to interstellar travel and maybe even time travel.

I think that there is a very good chance of life being found on Europa and Titon (or whatever it's name was) if there is under water heatfrom the bottom of their possible oceans, after all, it takes heat, not just sunlight to create life.

Al the Vykker · #59 11-29-2005, 06:21 PM

I do believe in Extra Terrestrials and that we have been visisted etc. I suggest for any skeptics and believers alike to read the Day after Roswell by Colonel Phillip J. Corso a retired Pentagon official who reveals most of the UFO cover up in the United States. An interesting fact was the book was almost banned by the government before it reached the New York Times bestseller list.

I also believe there has to be some other means of interstellar travel...if the beings somehow were able to manipulate space and time around them in their craft...? Just theories.

Dino · #60 11-29-2005, 06:50 PM

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according to Einsteine, it would take one billion pounds of fuel for every pound of the ship.

One thing Einstein didn't bank on was the development of advanced fuels and infinite energy, as well as the fact that time slows down between the stars. Any race advanced enough to find it's way here would have starship designers with a far more advanced knowledge of the universe than Einstein or Hawking, because they would have to overcome the fact that time slows down the further you get into open space.

We're talking wormhole technology, subspace warping, time dilation, zero point energy harnessing, and advanced shielded alloy hulls.

Starship design is way beyond current human technology. We haven't even committed the first act of outer-spacial warfare or colonised another planet yet. The vessels in space are scarily weak, offering very little defense against fast moving objects. Also we've yet to get generate power in space using a sustained power generator - at present batteries and solar panels reign supreme. It's pretty pathetic really. Space is a cold and unforgiving place and we're walking into it like a person walking out occasionally into snow wearing shorts and a t-shirt. Hopeless.