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X-mas or exed?

Okay, here's a brand new topic fresh from used! Okay, this one may not die, so how many of you celbrate Christmas but aren't Christians? I myself celebrate Christmas though I'm an atheist. Basically, if you don't belong to a particular religion (except Christianity excluding Jehovva Witnesses) you celebrate Christmas too in America, to most that is.
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I celebrate Christmas over here. I'm Catholic, but not particularly a practising Catholic. I go to Church on the mandatory days (that being Easter, Assumption of Mary), as well as other times like Christmas.

I believe most people, Christian or not celebrate it. It's become more of a secular activity if anything.

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I'm not Catholic, I don't go to Church or anything, but I still celebrate. Most of us celebrate because it's a chance for a (very large) family to get together. And there's always the goodies hiding under the tree, heh...
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I think that Christmas has become to commercially driven. If you asked a child what christmas was about, they'd probably answer something along the lines of presents, Santa Claus and snow.

I'm an atheist, and I celebrate Christmas. My dad's a christian and still trys to take me to church on Xmas morning. But that's another thing, sure when I grow up I'll still celebrate Xmas even though I'm not a christian, but most people I know grow up with christian parents, so they have Xmas whether they like it or not.

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I'm Hindu, but
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My dad's a christian and still trys to take me to church on Xmas morning.
X-actly that.
And I adore the Christmas tree. It smells nice when burning.

(For those who don't understand: Yea, I celebrate Xmas.)
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Not many in my family are religious, and Christmas has begun to loose meaning to us. It used to be all warm and cuddly like a commercial when me and my siblings were kids, but now no one seems to bother anymore. All we do is watch Donald Duck, eat some food, open the presents and then go to bed. The good part is that everyone in my immediate family is here. I think this year we'll spend the money on something else though.

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I'm also Catholic, though i wouldn't call myself a practicing one (though it depends what that means, i don't go to Church or anything, but i'm often protected by both Big Red and God, oh yes!).

Like Alcar said, Christian or not, people celebrate Christmas, it's not about the Religion for most anymore, it's about the social gathering and the sharing. Saying that, the Red Cross attempted to ban Christmas. Euck. Awful people.
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I wouldn't exactly define myself as any type of religion, but I do believe in God (I guess some would call that Christianity, but in my book you don't have to be any type of religion to believe in God. ) and we do celebrate Christmas. I don't go to church, either, but usually we just get together on Christmas Eve and then I get together with my parents on Christmas Day. Yeah, I believe Christmas has been "commercialized" as well.
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I'm an atheist, and I celebrate Christmas.
She speaks for me too. *gives her presents*

Yes, Christmas nowadays puts no emphasis on religion, which is why I like it.
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I hate the way christmas seems to be national "become a stupid, gullible fool who falls for all the tacky advertising" season.

I just take advantage of anything that's stupidly cheap in the supermarkets, avoid attending tedious "parties" in which I'd most likely spend all my time just watching everyone make pleasantries and nervous conversation, and try not to turn the TV on for any reason other than to watch a DVD.

I also hate the christmas season, and all the cheap tacky crap that goes with it. I probably would've liked it many years back when people did things properly and it didn't just feel simulated and plastic, but at this particular point in humanity's miserable existance, I ****ing hate it. I normally go to my friend's house for christmas, simply because his family are more traditional, and live in a small granite cottage with wood burning fires, which gives a nicer atmosphere. Plus we just play co-op halo and get drunk, stoned, eat lots, and have a laugh. That's my christmas, even though I don't call it that, and I'll bet it's a bloody ton and a half more fun than the shitty christmases most people have in the UK.
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Well, I don't give a rat's ass half the time about the environment, I just hope I get good gifts, ! I mean, I, and everyone else for that matter, spends a fortune on gifts that season, so you'd expect everyone to want a little piece of the cake when the day comes.
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Well, I don't give a rat's ass half the time about the environment, I just hope I get good gifts, ! I mean, I, and everyone else for that matter, spends a fortune on gifts that season, so you'd expect everyone to want a little piece of the cake when the day comes.
Fuck that, nobody ever knows what they want. Pretty much everyone I know has the money to buy whatever they want whenever they want, and the others that don't, basically don't have the money to do anything at all, let alone buy presents at christmas. What do you do for someone who's bought everything they ever wanted, and for someone who's only want is to have enough money to live?

There's one person I give presents to, and that's my best friend. I slave away for hours, days, weeks making him birthday and christmas presents - paintings, sculptures, figurines, pieces of music, etc. Because that's something that comes from the heart, and has real sentimental value - probably the best present you could give anyone. Everyone else just gets games/music or alcohol at best.
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Ha! Won't find that here, old pal! In most cases at least. I would like to get a gift like that one year, but all of the heart America had was snuffed away a long time ago. It all began when a malicious daemon with a black aura impressed fear into the American's hearts which would become hate which would become gluttony. So that they would become his slaves, and who was this daemon? The dark side of the free enterprise! Hahahaha!
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I am wiccan, but *try* to follow my parent's religious beliefs. I really only celebrate Yule on December 21 (Winter Solstice).

I would really prefer not to celebrate Christmas, as it is too commercialized nowadays. I think it is terrible. A store in our town already has Christmas decorations for sale. Absolutely ridiculous.


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My whole family are atheists, but we celebrate Christmas.
I like it because of the presents and the relation seeing.

Oh wait, I forgot to look like I don't conform to anything, let's see here...:
- "I don't like Christmas it's too commercialised."
- "Santa sold out after I became a teenager, he used to be great"
- "Something about cutting myself"
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Oh wait, I forgot to look like I don't conform to anything, let's see here...:
- "I don't like Christmas it's too commercialised."
- "Santa sold out after I became a teenager, he used to be great"
- "Something about cutting myself"
Why do I get the feeling that's aimed at me?

If it is, then listen up; you don't live in Britain or know how christmas goes down here, so you can't make sarcastic mockery of my hatred for it.

Nobody here has a "proper christmas" anymore. It's all, plastic trees, fake candles, plastic decorations, cheap crackers, shitty cheap snacks that come in cheap plastic trays that you can buy as part of a meal deal in ASDA supermarkets. Nobody cooks food anymore, nobody makes their own decorations anymore, nobody does anything authentic with any ounce of "REAL" because they can't be bothered... and if they can't be bothered what's so ****ing special about it? Where's the enjoyable "christmas spirit" in, fake, mass manufactured, plastic crap that looks as tacky as it is? Where's the enjoyable "christmas spirit" in a bunch of same old movies, vapid TV programmes and gameshow/TV events that any other time of the year would trash the ratings? Why are we so obsessed with the mediocre, raising and celebrating it without question?

You can buy special expensive stuff from Marks And Spencers too, I still won't like it. Why? Because again it hasn't come from the heart has it? It's not something that anyone has put any effort into for the occasion.

No... it's all shit these days. And the one and only annual day that people still do properly is halloween. Even though the supermarkets and TV have tried their best to make that day crappy, they've -always- failed, thank god. Mainly because their products are rubbish and you can do better with stuff lying around the house. But people do things from the heart with the goodwill and intention to have a cracking good time, rather than being an antisocial bastard and buying everything from the supermarket.
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Sounds worse there in America. In the American countryside, we preserve the things you say have been dropped. But becuase the countryside is jam packed full of die-hard Christians, that is probably why we keep these things up. That's why I like living in the country sometimes, because we really do preserve a lot of the Christmas traditions. And christmas spirit? Please, thats just a profit statement.
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Where's the enjoyable "christmas spirit" in a bunch of same old movies, vapid TV programmes and gameshow/TV events that any other time of the year would trash the ratings? Why are we so obsessed with the mediocre, raising and celebrating it without question?
Maybe the Christmas spirit does not rely on your view of what Christmas should be - undoubtedly a 'genuine', home-made affair, where people slave over the oven for 7 hours for little reward.
An enjoyable Christmas spirit does exist, but not because of the tacky, fake Christmas you spoke about.

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What rubbish. As it Christmas is about the effort you put into the decor and the food.
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Maybe the Christmas spirit does not rely on your view of what Christmas should be - undoubtedly a 'genuine', home-made affair, where people slave over the oven for 7 hours for little reward.
An enjoyable Christmas spirit does exist, but not because of the tacky, fake Christmas you spoke about.


What rubbish. As it Christmas is about the effort you put into the decor and the food.
Let me start by saying this is very much a personal view. If others want to celebrate Christmas, that’s fine. If they want to give each other gifts they don't really want, eat a meal where they always complain about the turkey being “too dry” (but refuse to eat anything else on that Special Day), then fall asleep wearing a cheap novelty paper hat, well that’s just great - good luck to them I say! It’s just that I don't want to. And for the record, that doesn't make me Charles Dickens' famous miser. I don't know anyone called Tiny Tim for starters. It just means I don't want anything to do with Christmas.

I'm an atheist: I don't believe there's a divine being, higher power, God, Allah, Yahweh, Krishna or Buddha watching over us - so naturally I find the whole "Son-of-God, born into being by Immaculate Conception" thing a little hard to take in. I'm not saying it didn't happen - I'm just saying that I personally don't believe it. It requires a little blind faith and I don't have any, let alone the blind variety.

My view is that I shouldn't be celebrating a religious festival when I'm not part of that religion. After all, I'm not doing Ramadan; Yom Kippur passed me by - and I plum forgot when Diwali was. So why should Christmas be any different to me? Just because the rest of the country's prepared to supposedly remember the birth of little baby Jesus on the 25th, why should I have to?

Also, I know for a fact that it isn't a real Christian celebration, and that actually it was assimilated from the pagans. So even if I was Christian, I would probably still have little to no inclination to celebrate Christmas. At least not when it's not celebrated on the proper day of the year.
But that's not the reason I hate Christmas. I'm tolerant of all (well, most) peoples' faiths and religions and I'm a firm believer that you should follow your own beliefs. I would never want to stop anyone from celebrating anything, and would hope to receive the same in turn. The reason I hate Christmas is because it feels like there’s no choice but to celebrate it, and because it feels like people are only celebrating it because they feel they're expected to, and not why they want to - but also because it's so fake these days, and so overcommercialised, that people just don't put any effort into it, and it turns out to be a real farce. If I wanted to buy my vitamins, I have no choice but to endure row upon row of decorations, gift ideas and adverts featuring models frolicking in the snow with big goofy grins on their faces. Christmas is rammed down my throat at every turn, in every shop, on every street, in every newspaper and on every television show, and it's annoying to boot.

Surely even the most ardent lovers of Chrimbo (shudder) must hate that ultra-nauseous version of jingle bells - which by December is everywhere, gnawing into the brain like some terrible fog from a 1950s B-movie until you're left a quivering wreck on the shopping centre floor jabbering something about pine needles in the carpet. The music is awful, the TV is awful, the whole thing is just the most awful, farcical pile of steaming crap with no feeling, spirit, atmosphere, or anything whatsoever. I'd rather watch paint dry, because at least that would mean I'd be getting the redecoration of my room done.

Why would I want to subject myself or anyone else to that kind of shite? Why SHOULD I subject myself to that kind of shite? And can you think of any reason why I shouldn't hate it?

Don't even get me started on Santa. Jolly fat man in a red and white suit? It was Coca-Cola's invention in the 1920s, and the greatest marketing success of all time. OK, so there is Old Saint Nick, but who can tell me what he looks like? Anyone? Thought not. Santa and Saint Nicholas are the very epitome of a religious festival distorted and manipulated for commercial gain.

When I tell people I don't celebrate Christmas I get asked the strangest questions:

"But you still get presents don't you?" – NO.
"Well you still have Christmas dinner though don't you?" – NO!
"So you don't get any presents?" – Sheesh! Which bit of not celebrating Christmas don't you understand?


I have lots of people sympathising with me and saying how they hate Christmas too. Yet when it comes down to it they still do it all – the dinner, the presents, everything. But I suppose that makes sense, you can only hate something if you do it, and you are pretty much expected to do it. Children obviously love it - these days Christmas is the big payout. Parents have no choice but to accept it unless they want their kids to be ridiculed. Christmas is lodged so far into our consciousness that you're an outcast if you don't go along. And let’s face it, kids don't need much encouragement do they?

Some people think my feelings come from some bad experience, but I remember having lots of good Christmases as a child. I was a kid, and people were giving me things, cool things, so why wouldn't I have fond memories? It was much later I realised that so much of the day, the season, is just empty rhetoric – sentiment as thin as the paper around the pointless gifts. But there were a few christmases that really stuck in my mind, that I would later learn were traditional christmases, and would look back on with fondness. A time to light the wood log fire, have a home cooked traditional meal, surrounded by home made decorations that smelled of pine, and glowed with the flicker of a candle or two. Later we'd go to a big hall, where there would be traditional dancing, games, good food, and plenty of alcohol. That's what christmas should be, a time to have a really cracking good time, and it's something that people should do by choice, not because they feel they're expected to, and not because society and supermarket corporations pressure them to,
There are those who say the real meaning of Christmas is to be with family and loved ones, to give them presents and let them know how you feel. That’s very commendable and I can't say it's wrong to show such feelings, but why should I have to reserve that for one day per year? I often buy people presents, not because I have to, but because I want to – because I love them and don't need Christmas as an excuse. To me it's just like any other two days on which I don't have to do anything, and can just have fun. I feel that family and friends is important at christmas, because you get a good reason to round them all up and have a big bash, but why do that if the time together will just be spent sitting on a sofa, watching shitty TV programming, and eating cheap supermarket snacks off of plastic plates? There are better times and better ways to enjoy each others company. Sitting around a TV set is the way boring people who don't have a clue how to enjoy themselves spend their time during "eventful occasions". They don't ever go out and do something fun, exciting or interesting. They don't ever have a real good time.

So what will I be doing on the 25th? Pretty much the same as I do most days. What will I be eating? Pretty much what I'd normally eat. If you're planning on 'doing Christmas', I honestly hope you enjoy it, but for me it'll be celebrated without the "christmas" bit, unless we decide to bring back the traditional christmas.

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And I adore the Christmas tree. It smells nice when burning.
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Why do I get the feeling that's aimed at me?
Sorry, I didn't bother reading your walls of text. However that comment wasn't aimed at you directly, more at the general attitude of people on the internet about Christmas these days.
I mean I can see their point, but reading the same thing over and over just gets so annoying so I thought I'd have a dig at everyone everywhere who does it.
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Sorry, I didn't bother reading your walls of text. However that comment wasn't aimed at you directly, more at the general attitude of people on the internet about Christmas these days.
I mean I can see their point, but reading the same thing over and over just gets so annoying so I thought I'd have a dig at everyone everywhere who does it.
Fair enough.

I've just had enough with christmas being this supermarket endorsed thing that imitates the image of how it was done originally before anyone figured out how to make decorations look like crappy plastic crap.
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I'm Hindu, but
X-actly that.
And I adore the Christmas tree. It smells nice when burning.

(For those who don't understand: Yea, I celebrate Xmas.)

If you were Hindu, your version of Christmas would be Divali.
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Uhhh...I'm Jewish so, there
Christmas is hardly religious. YOU can celebrate it for your belief in Santa, not jesus.
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